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[toooskies]

Cedi played 72 games for the Spurs, Pop did not need a 2nd to take him. The 2nd was to dump Stevens, since as you pointed out, he was waived immediately.

Like i said, the end result for Sexton worked but it stunted the rebuild by 1 year by getting him. It's too bad SGA was so anti-Cleveland.

A 2nd is worth more than $400k, more like 10x that. Cedi was out of the league as soon as his contract ended.

Cedi he got a second contract, which for second round pick is far from a sure thing. Gun to my head, I'm playing him over Bates.

We are talking why we had to trade a 2nd to get SAS to take 400k of Lamar Stevens' contract and $6.7m of Cedi Osman's contract. While Lamar's was "dead" by immediate release, I think Osman was more than $400k overpaid given he didn't find a satisfactory contract in the US afterwards.

If I needed to play someone in an NBA game today I have both Stevens and Osman over Bates.

[jbk1234]

A 2nd is worth more than $400k, more like 10x that. Cedi was out of the league as soon as his contract ended.

Cedi he got a second contract, which for second round pick is far from a sure thing. Gun to my head, I'm playing him over Bates.

We are talking why we had to trade a 2nd to get SAS to take 400k of Lamar Stevens' contract and $6.7m of Cedi Osman's contract. While Lamar's was "dead" by immediate release, I think Osman was more than $400k overpaid given he didn't find a satisfactory contract in the US afterwards.

If I needed to play someone in an NBA game today I have both Stevens and Osman over Bates.

Spurs fans like Cedi and I'm sure there was a league minimum deal out there if he wanted it. The Spurs F.O. swindled the Kings out of unprotected swap rights for eating Barnes that summer which likely played a part in Cedi not getting re-signed.

[toooskies]

Cedi he got a second contract, which for second round pick is far from a sure thing. Gun to my head, I'm playing him over Bates.

We are talking why we had to trade a 2nd to get SAS to take 400k of Lamar Stevens' contract and $6.7m of Cedi Osman's contract. While Lamar's was "dead" by immediate release, I think Osman was more than $400k overpaid given he didn't find a satisfactory contract in the US afterwards.

If I needed to play someone in an NBA game today I have both Stevens and Osman over Bates.

Spurs fans like Cedi and I'm sure there was a league minimum deal out there if he wanted it. The Spurs F.O. swindled the Kings out of unprotected swap rights for eating Barnes that summer which likely played a part in Cedi not getting re-signed.

I could see him on a minimum-- a quick Google search says he made 3.3m Euro last year-- but Cedi is exactly a replacement-level player. He had a 0.0 VORP for the Spurs that year.

I stand by him being overpaid by at least a few million for his services in SA and the 2nd being primarily to bear his salary and not very much Stevens'. But it's an irrelevant argument.

[JujitsuFlip]

Sexton finally rerouted after 3 years with the Jazz, headed to the Hornets.

Lauri is the only player left on the Jazz from the Mitchell trade.

[JonFromVA]

Sexton finally rerouted after 3 years with the Jazz, headed to the Hornets.

Lauri is the only player left on the Jazz from the Mitchell trade.

Is it possible Sexton is undervalued at this point?

[jbk1234]

Sexton finally rerouted after 3 years with the Jazz, headed to the Hornets.

Lauri is the only player left on the Jazz from the Mitchell trade.

Is it possible Sexton is undervalued at this point?

I've always thought his highest and best use was as a sixth man. Starting him next to LaMelo would make the Hornets must watch for all the wrong reasons. The question was, and probably still is whether Sexton sees himself that way both on the court and terms of contract expectations.

The return for the Jazz was clearly negative though. Sending out draft capital for the privilege of eating Nurkic is pretty awful. Sexton might not be coachable.

[JonFromVA]

Sexton finally rerouted after 3 years with the Jazz, headed to the Hornets.

Lauri is the only player left on the Jazz from the Mitchell trade.

Is it possible Sexton is undervalued at this point?

I've always thought his highest and best use was as a sixth man. Starting him next to LaMelo would make the Hornets must watch for all the wrong reasons. The question was, and probably still is whether Sexton sees himself that way both on the court and terms of contract expectations.

The return for the Jazz was clearly negative though. Sending out draft capital for the privilege of eating Nurkic is pretty awful. Sexton might not be coachable.

I thought he accepted everything the Cavs and the Jazz asked of him, but ultimately he's still a 6'1" bucket getter with questionable defense.

[jbk1234]

Is it possible Sexton is undervalued at this point?

I've always thought his highest and best use was as a sixth man. Starting him next to LaMelo would make the Hornets must watch for all the wrong reasons. The question was, and probably still is whether Sexton sees himself that way both on the court and terms of contract expectations.

The return for the Jazz was clearly negative though. Sending out draft capital for the privilege of eating Nurkic is pretty awful. Sexton might not be coachable.

I thought he accepted everything the Cavs and the Jazz asked of him, but ultimately he's still a 6'1" bucket getter with questionable defense.

The conspiracy theory is that the Hornets agreed to pass on Ace Bailey for this trade, but there's really no reason it couldn't have been part of a draft night trade under the CBA.

Sexton is a bucket getter, but without knowing what the respective coaching staffs asked of him, I'm less confident than you that he did it. Presumably we asked him to get his teammates more involved in the offense (okay maybe not Beilein, but any minimally competent coaching staff).

[JonFromVA]

I've always thought his highest and best use was as a sixth man. Starting him next to LaMelo would make the Hornets must watch for all the wrong reasons. The question was, and probably still is whether Sexton sees himself that way both on the court and terms of contract expectations.

The return for the Jazz was clearly negative though. Sending out draft capital for the privilege of eating Nurkic is pretty awful. Sexton might not be coachable.

I thought he accepted everything the Cavs and the Jazz asked of him, but ultimately he's still a 6'1" bucket getter with questionable defense.

The conspiracy theory is that the Hornets agreed to pass on Ace Bailey for this trade, but there's really no reason it couldn't have been part of a draft night trade under the CBA.

Sexton is a bucket getter, but without knowing what the respective coaching staffs asked of him, I'm less confident than you that he did it. Presumably we asked him to get his teammates more involved in the offense (okay maybe not Beilein, but any minimally competent coaching staff).

Collin never had PG instincts. We asked him to be more decisive, not pound the ball and not ISO until the shot clock was running down and he listened, and it helped. I don't know much about his time with the Jazz, but like with us, he's both started and come off the bench with no controversy I'm aware of.

[JujitsuFlip]

Is it possible Sexton is undervalued at this point?

I've always thought his highest and best use was as a sixth man. Starting him next to LaMelo would make the Hornets must watch for all the wrong reasons. The question was, and probably still is whether Sexton sees himself that way both on the court and terms of contract expectations.

The return for the Jazz was clearly negative though. Sending out draft capital for the privilege of eating Nurkic is pretty awful. Sexton might not be coachable.

I thought he accepted everything the Cavs and the Jazz asked of him, but ultimately he's still a 6'1" bucket getter with questionable defense.

He's a 6'1" SG is the largest issue.

Ball hog who doesn't play defense. Wonder if he'll ever play on a playoff team, probably not.

[ijspeelman]

I thought he accepted everything the Cavs and the Jazz asked of him, but ultimately he's still a 6'1" bucket getter with questionable defense.

The conspiracy theory is that the Hornets agreed to pass on Ace Bailey for this trade, but there's really no reason it couldn't have been part of a draft night trade under the CBA.

Sexton is a bucket getter, but without knowing what the respective coaching staffs asked of him, I'm less confident than you that he did it. Presumably we asked him to get his teammates more involved in the offense (okay maybe not Beilein, but any minimally competent coaching staff).

Collin never had PG instincts. We asked him to be more decisive, not pound the ball and not ISO until the shot clock was running down and he listened, and it helped. I don't know much about his time with the Jazz, but like with us, he's both started and come off the bench with no controversy I'm aware of.

He had his best seasons w the Jazz honestly, but he never got much better than how we last saw him in Cleveland

Wish him luck in Charlotte. He seems like a good, hardworking dude and I think the Hornets could use more of those guys

I actually wish someone w any playoff hopes took a swing at Markkanen and/or Sexton so they could get a taste of playoffs

[JonFromVA]

I've always thought his highest and best use was as a sixth man. Starting him next to LaMelo would make the Hornets must watch for all the wrong reasons. The question was, and probably still is whether Sexton sees himself that way both on the court and terms of contract expectations.

The return for the Jazz was clearly negative though. Sending out draft capital for the privilege of eating Nurkic is pretty awful. Sexton might not be coachable.

I thought he accepted everything the Cavs and the Jazz asked of him, but ultimately he's still a 6'1" bucket getter with questionable defense.

He's a 6'1" SG is the largest issue.

Ball hog who doesn't play defense. Wonder if he'll ever play on a playoff team, probably not.

Collin's on-off has been in the positive territory the past few years, so could be worse.

He would have been worth a shot when Garland, Mitchell, and Jerome were all struggling .vs. the Pacers; but that's not worth what Collin is being paid.

[ijspeelman]

LeVert to Pistons is interesting

[JujitsuFlip]

LeVert to Pistons is interesting

I don't understand the fit at all, jb must've really wanted him.

[Chip]

LeVert to Pistons is interesting

I don't understand the fit at all, jb must've really wanted him.

I mean, with Beasley out, it doesn't feel like that silly of a fit? That said, it was 100% JB bringing him in lmao

[JujitsuFlip]

LeVert to Pistons is interesting

I don't understand the fit at all, jb must've really wanted him.

I mean, with Beasley out, it doesn't feel like that silly of a fit? That said, it was 100% JB bringing him in lmao

Robinson is probably the Beasley replacement.

LeVert is not efficient or consistent enough from deep.

[JonFromVA]

I don't understand the fit at all, jb must've really wanted him.

I mean, with Beasley out, it doesn't feel like that silly of a fit? That said, it was 100% JB bringing him in lmao

Robinson is probably the Beasley replacement.

LeVert is not efficient or consistent enough from deep.

His 3pt% dropped in Atlanta but his TS% sustained somehow. He's a pretty useful jack of all trade kind of player who will be good in their young locker room. I'm sure JBB is very happy.

[JujitsuFlip]

I mean, with Beasley out, it doesn't feel like that silly of a fit? That said, it was 100% JB bringing him in lmao

Robinson is probably the Beasley replacement.

LeVert is not efficient or consistent enough from deep.

His 3pt% dropped in Atlanta but his TS% sustained somehow. He's a pretty useful jack of all trade kind of player who will be good in their young locker room. I'm sure JBB is very happy.

Sure but he's not a flamethrower like Bease from deep.

[toooskies]

Robinson is probably the Beasley replacement.

LeVert is not efficient or consistent enough from deep.

His 3pt% dropped in Atlanta but his TS% sustained somehow. He's a pretty useful jack of all trade kind of player who will be good in their young locker room. I'm sure JBB is very happy.

Sure but he's not a flamethrower like Bease from deep.

LeVert is their THJ replacement— mature guard who knows the game and can fill a lot of roles.

[JujitsuFlip]

His 3pt% dropped in Atlanta but his TS% sustained somehow. He's a pretty useful jack of all trade kind of player who will be good in their young locker room. I'm sure JBB is very happy.

Sure but he's not a flamethrower like Bease from deep.

LeVert is their THJ replacement— mature guard who knows the game and can fill a lot of roles.

He may have to fill a little of that Schröder too.