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2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition)

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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1501 » by 165bows » Mon Jun 30, 2025 10:13 am

keevsnick1 wrote:I'd be VERY surprised if they weren't aggressively shopping Simons. Right now as things stand they are about 17 million away from the tax. Niang+Hauser make about 18 million, but then you have to replace their roster spots so trading them only really nets you about 13 million. So there's no real way to get completely under the tax unless Simons is moved. I didn't originally think they'd be able to get all the way under the tax, but it feels like that's where they are going.

I think what they'll try to do is another step-down trade, similar to what they did going from Holiday at 32.4 to Simons at 27.4. They try to swap that 27 in Simons for two guys make a combined 22-27 million then spin off one of those guys into a team's trade exception.

One team to keep an eye on is Detroit I think. They could potentially have enough cap space to swap Fontechio for Simons and absorb the bulk of Simons contract without sending anything else back. That saves the C's 19 million. There are also other constructions where they send out Ivey, Duran or Stewart if they want to use their cap space. With Beasley under criminal investigation and Schroder likely gone they could use some shooting/ball handling.

Dallas might still work as well with PJ Washington + Caleb Martin if they want a ball handler/scorer to fill in until Kyrie is back. Jazz might work with Clarkson + KJ Martin if they want a young ball handler/scorer with Sexton traded. The Bulls have a few expiring contracts that might work and might want more scoring.

Yeah people should go through the list of teams it’s a super short list that might want Simons and be able to trade for him.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition) 

Post#1502 » by Larry_Russell » Mon Jun 30, 2025 10:54 am

Ayton finalizing buyout?


Can we get him?

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Post#1503 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:10 am

Spotrac's projection for a Kessler extension is 4yrs/120mil.

Utah will have the money to sign him and they didn't draft a big. Wolf was still on the board at 18.

I doubt they move off him unless it's another Al Jefferson move DA is looking to make, but I don't see the Jazz in that position.

I say the Jazz keep Kessler, see how it works with Nurkic and Flipowski for this season.

IMO, Markkanen will be the next big move they look to make. Could be the Walker and Flip show going forward. Not a bad combo IMO.

Clarkson is easy to move.
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Post#1504 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:17 am

There will definitely be a good market for Luke. Good all around person and he's durable. High IQ, won a championship and he'll be a good mentor anywhere he goes. They'll like his services on the local broadcast also.

This is his last chance to cash in for his bag. He deserved it. He's made just under 15mil in his career. He'll double that for sure with this contract.

IMO, he'll get at minimum 3yrs/36mil. Probably closer to 42mil total.

Even that is too rich IMO for the C's.
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Post#1505 » by 165bows » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:29 am

phincsfan wrote:Spotrac's projection for a Kessler extension is 4yrs/120mil.

Utah will have the money to sign him and they didn't draft a big. Wolf was still on the board at 18.

I doubt they move off him unless it's another Al Jefferson move DA is looking to make, but I don't see the Jazz in that position.

I say the Jazz keep Kessler, see how it works with Nurkic and Flipowski for this season.

IMO, Markkanen will be the next big move they look to make. Could be the Walker and Flip show going forward. Not a bad combo IMO.

Clarkson is easy to move.



Yeah Boston is going to get stuck with him to dump Simons lol
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Post#1507 » by phincsfan » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:34 am

165bows wrote:
phincsfan wrote:Spotrac's projection for a Kessler extension is 4yrs/120mil.

Utah will have the money to sign him and they didn't draft a big. Wolf was still on the board at 18.

I doubt they move off him unless it's another Al Jefferson move DA is looking to make, but I don't see the Jazz in that position.

I say the Jazz keep Kessler, see how it works with Nurkic and Flipowski for this season.

IMO, Markkanen will be the next big move they look to make. Could be the Walker and Flip show going forward. Not a bad combo IMO.

Clarkson is easy to move.



Yeah Boston is going to get stuck with him to dump Simons lol


If there's any truth that Austin did some shady crap regarding leaking draft intel than I bet the C's and Jazz don't deal with each other for a while.
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Post#1508 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:36 am

If the Cs have JB and White, no tanking, bridging, or rebuilding.

Play to win until trade deadline.

If the Cs are 30-20 or 28-22 after 50 games, let JT return in March.

The ideal is to find out how Simons play on a winning team.

I prefer Simons over Hauser.

But if the Cs are trading Simons now, better get a scorer in return.
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Post#1509 » by themoneyteam2 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 12:12 pm

The goal should realistically be to get out of the luxury tax all together due to the repeater tax. They’re going to be a repeater for every year once JT returns, so why not reset the clock entirely?
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Post#1510 » by Gant » Mon Jun 30, 2025 12:35 pm

It has to be asked. Is it possible for the Celtics to somehow acquire Ayton after he clears waivers?

A lot of unknowns would have to break just right for that to happen. If not, at the very least he'll take one team away from making an offer to Kornet.

Boston could easily get outbid, but if that doesn't happen they can offer Ayton a starting job and a spotlight to relaunch his career. It's a long-shot, but maybe.
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Post#1511 » by gammajamma » Mon Jun 30, 2025 12:40 pm

Not interested in Ayton. Seems like he has all the tools but none of the desire
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Post#1512 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 12:41 pm

Gant wrote:It has to be asked. Is it possible for the Celtics to somehow acquire Ayton after he clears waivers?

A lot of unknowns would have to break just right for that to happen. If not, at the very least he'll take one team away from making an offer to Kornet.

Boston could easily get outbid, but if that doesn't happen they can offer Ayton a starting job and a spotlight to relaunch his career. It's a long-shot, but maybe.

That's possible.

But if you're Ayton, you pick Celtics over the Lakers?
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Post#1513 » by bigfoot_cryptozoology » Mon Jun 30, 2025 12:52 pm

After losing 3 Starters and likely 2 key reserves, Celtics are going to be very lucky to reach 37 this season...

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Post#1514 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 12:54 pm

bigfoot_cryptozoology wrote:After losing 3 Starters and likely 2 key reserves, Celtics are going to be very lucky to reach 37 this season...

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Wait until the final roster is set.

Right now we don't have a complete deck.
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Post#1515 » by aim2please » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:00 pm

Trading Brown for a massive haul is the way to go. Kings are a perfect partner. They're dumb and desperate. Murray+Derozan+Ellis + as many picks and swaps you can get.

Derozan has 10M guaranteed for 26-27, so it's not a long term commitment. IMO Ellis is a hidden gem. An elite defender who's also a good catch and shoot guy. Perfect Holiday replacement. Murray is a young wing 3%D wing who would fit well moving forward. Both guys rank well in xRAPM. https://xrapm.com/table_pages/xRAPM.html

So you get 2 great complimentary pieces moving forward AND you get picks form a poorly run Western team that you can use to trade for the next star to pair up with Tatum. Hopefully next summer.

But this is such a hard sell to the fanbase because Brown is homegrown and the fact he was finals MVP. It would be terrible PR for the new ownership. Brown's reputation far exceeds his impact on winning. Brown has never ranked well in impact stats.

If you look at xRAPM, Celtics had 8 players that ranked 85 percentile or better last season. Tatum, White, Porzingis, Kornet, Horford, Pritchard, Holiday, Hauser. Queta was 71, Brown was 64 percentile.

And it has been like that year after year. His defense has fallen of the cliff last season. With him turning 29 in October, having a knee procedure, this could be last opportunity to get a haul for him. If he gets injured or has a bad year, C's could be stuck with his contract like Philly is with Embiid and George.

Anyways, Tatum is out, Holiday and Zingis are gone, if Kornet and Horford are gone, 5 out of 8 players that ranked elite in their roles are out. Simons ranked as a below league average player last season. He has a historically bad impact of defense, ranked in bottom 5 percentile. Niang ranks slightly worse overall, although not as bad defensively, he's 'only' worse that 87% of defenders in the league.

So basically PP/White/Simmons/Brown/Hauser/Niang/Queta/average center is gonna be around .500 team.

The sooner people realize that C's have to rebuild their asset base to have a chance to build another contender around Tatum, the better. But feel free to be emotionally attached to Brown.
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Post#1516 » by 165bows » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:11 pm

Simons to Milwaukee
Kuzma/asset to Philly
Oubre, Drummnd, Gordon to Boston

Really tough to find a decent Simons trade if and when they decide to get out of the repeater tax situation for the years following.
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Post#1517 » by Memokerobi » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:14 pm

aim2please wrote:Trading Brown for a massive haul is the way to go. Kings are a perfect partner. They're dumb and desperate. Murray+Derozan+Ellis + as many picks and swaps you can get.

Derozan has 10M guaranteed for 26-27, so it's not a long term commitment. IMO Ellis is a hidden gem. An elite defender who's also a good catch and shoot guy. Perfect Holiday replacement. Murray is a young wing 3%D wing who would fit well moving forward. Both guys rank well in xRAPM. https://xrapm.com/table_pages/xRAPM.html

So you get 2 great complimentary pieces moving forward AND you get picks form a poorly run Western team that you can use to trade for the next star to pair up with Tatum. Hopefully next summer.

But this is such a hard sell to the fanbase because Brown is homegrown and the fact he was finals MVP. It would be terrible PR for the new ownership. Brown's reputation far exceeds his impact on winning. Brown has never ranked well in impact stats.

If you look at xRAPM, Celtics had 8 players that ranked 85 percentile or better last season. Tatum, White, Porzingis, Kornet, Horford, Pritchard, Holiday, Hauser. Queta was 71, Brown was 64 percentile.

And it has been like that year after year. His defense has fallen of the cliff last season. With him turning 29 in October, having a knee procedure, this could be last opportunity to get a haul for him. If he gets injured or has a bad year, C's could be stuck with his contract like Philly is with Embiid and George.

Anyways, Tatum is out, Holiday and Zingis are gone, if Kornet and Horford are gone, 5 out of 8 players that ranked elite in their roles are out. Simons ranked as a below league average player last season. He has a historically bad impact of defense, ranked in bottom 5 percentile. Niang ranks slightly worse overall, although not as bad defensively, he's 'only' worse that 87% of defenders in the league.

So basically PP/White/Simmons/Brown/Hauser/Niang/Queta/average center is gonna be around .500 team.

The sooner people realize that C's have to rebuild their asset base to have a chance to build another contender around Tatum, the better. But feel free to be emotionally attached to Brown.



I really like Brown. Never was an advocate to trade him and actually argued with people who wanted him gone, if you go look at my post history. I’m glad it paid off in 24 with the title run and his FMVP.

But since the Jrue and KP trades, I’ve been thinking this is probably the best way to build contender 2.0 around Tatum when he returns. And I agree that the Kings are a good match both with the picks and players returning
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Post#1518 » by GoCeltics123 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:21 pm

Memokerobi wrote:
aim2please wrote:Trading Brown for a massive haul is the way to go. Kings are a perfect partner. They're dumb and desperate. Murray+Derozan+Ellis + as many picks and swaps you can get.

Derozan has 10M guaranteed for 26-27, so it's not a long term commitment. IMO Ellis is a hidden gem. An elite defender who's also a good catch and shoot guy. Perfect Holiday replacement. Murray is a young wing 3%D wing who would fit well moving forward. Both guys rank well in xRAPM. https://xrapm.com/table_pages/xRAPM.html

So you get 2 great complimentary pieces moving forward AND you get picks form a poorly run Western team that you can use to trade for the next star to pair up with Tatum. Hopefully next summer.

But this is such a hard sell to the fanbase because Brown is homegrown and the fact he was finals MVP. It would be terrible PR for the new ownership. Brown's reputation far exceeds his impact on winning. Brown has never ranked well in impact stats.

If you look at xRAPM, Celtics had 8 players that ranked 85 percentile or better last season. Tatum, White, Porzingis, Kornet, Horford, Pritchard, Holiday, Hauser. Queta was 71, Brown was 64 percentile.

And it has been like that year after year. His defense has fallen of the cliff last season. With him turning 29 in October, having a knee procedure, this could be last opportunity to get a haul for him. If he gets injured or has a bad year, C's could be stuck with his contract like Philly is with Embiid and George.

Anyways, Tatum is out, Holiday and Zingis are gone, if Kornet and Horford are gone, 5 out of 8 players that ranked elite in their roles are out. Simons ranked as a below league average player last season. He has a historically bad impact of defense, ranked in bottom 5 percentile. Niang ranks slightly worse overall, although not as bad defensively, he's 'only' worse that 87% of defenders in the league.

So basically PP/White/Simmons/Brown/Hauser/Niang/Queta/average center is gonna be around .500 team.

The sooner people realize that C's have to rebuild their asset base to have a chance to build another contender around Tatum, the better. But feel free to be emotionally attached to Brown.



I really like Brown. Never was an advocate to trade him and actually argued with people who wanted him gone, if you go look at my post history. I’m glad it paid off in 24 with the title run and his FMVP.

But since the Jrue and KP trades, I’ve been thinking this is probably the best way to build contender 2.0 around Tatum when he returns. And I agree that the Kings are a good match both with the picks and players returning

I think if they would've got an absolute haul for Jaylen, they would've moved him. But considering they didn't move him, they probably didn't get the haul they wanted.
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Post#1519 » by Fierce1 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:21 pm

165bows wrote:Simons to Milwaukee
Kuzma/asset to Philly
Oubre, Drummnd, Gordon to Boston

Really tough to find a decent Simons trade if and when they decide to get out of the repeater tax situation for the years following.

Gordon just opted out.
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Post#1520 » by aim2please » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:21 pm

Because Brown trade will not happen, Celtics should look to dump Niang and trade Simons for a guard making less.

Clippers could be a trade partner for Simons. Powell (expiring) or Bogdanovic (team option next year) are older but better versions of Simons archetype. None of them are long-term pieces, but this is about saving $. None of these guys will change C's fortune next season.

Niang's $8M expiring could be useful for a playoff team in need of a PF to soak up regular season minutes. If Sacramento doesn't bring Lyles back, they have TPE to take Niang in. C's can give a 2nd round pick if needed.

If C's do Powell for Simons + Niang dump, they save $14.8M. If they do Bogi deal, it's around $19M. This gives them room to keep Luke and Horford, who are not only great people, but were fantastic for the C's last year.

PP/White/Powell/Brown/Hauser/Kornet/Horford/Queta/Baylor/Walsh is your top 10. No injuries, knock on wood, this team is a 45 win team. If thinks don't go well, they are one move away from ducking tax at the deadline.

Kornet's agent is former Tim Duncan agent, so Spurs rumors are real. He looks like a goofball but is legit low-end starting level center. Breaks my heart that some C's fans think he's a min contract bum.

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