Shams: Sexton+2nd for Nurkic

[Mavrelous]

My only explanation is that this is a pre-arranged payment for not picking Ace Bailey.

[sunevisions]

My only explanation is that this is a pre-arranged payment for not picking Ace Bailey.

Thats the only reason.

Hornet get: Kon Knueppel (at #4 salary)+ Sexton and a SRP
Jazz get: Ace (at #5 salary) + Nurkic

[facothomas22]

Once again, we are seeing one way non all star guard being viewed as negative value on the trading market. The fact that the Jazz attach a asset to Sexton just to get a washed up center should be warning to all of the one way scorers who are not all stars. They not very valuable in today NBA. They are simply are not. I wouldn't be surprised if the Kings have to attach draft capital to Malik Monk just to trade him at this point. Coby White and Austin Reaves agents really need to think long and hard here before demanding that their players get extra money.I see a real chance where both Austin Reaves and Coby White have to settle for mid level exceptions next off season. What we have seen in the last week or so is huge massage around the NBA. Teams are done with overpaying for scoring role players(tho maybe I'm being too harsh with Coby White because he has shown that he can a 3rd option on a very good team).

[MasterIchiro]

My only explanation is that this is a pre-arranged payment for not picking Ace Bailey.

Thats the only reason.

Hornet get: Kon Knueppel (at #4 salary)+ Sexton and a SRP
Jazz get: Ace (at #5 salary) + Nurkic

This hypothesis explains how Nurkic cost a 1st for the Suns to move but generated a 2nd for the Hornets to move.

Even ignoring the picks, look at the players.

Pretty clearly Sexton > Cody Martin + Vasa Micic.

And the Jazz don't need a center.

[MasterIchiro]

So on the one hand, looks like Charlotte leveraged draft position.

Not sure they pulled a fast one on Danny Ainge who's sitting pretty with Ace Bailey despite Washington trying to trade up for him, likely offering 6 + 18.

Combine the negative value of Nurkic with the positive value of Sexton and you approximate the value of pick 18, but you take the win-now player over the prospect, and clear cap for teams shopping centers but not wanting to take back Nurkic.

Or we can just keep bashing the value of Sexton but that feels like mental gymnastics to me.

[facothomas22]

So on the one hand, looks like Charlotte leveraged draft position.

Not sure they pulled a fast one on Danny Ainge who's sitting pretty with Ace Bailey despite Washington trying to trade up for him, likely offering 6 + 18.

Combine the negative value of Nurkic with the positive value of Sexton and you approximate the value of pick 18, but you take the win-now player over the prospect, and clear cap for teams shopping centers but not wanting to take back Nurkic.

Or we can just keep bashing the value of Sexton but that feels like mental gymnastics to me.

Apparently Colin Sexton is negative value as well,otherwise Austin Ainge wouldn't have done this deal. It was a bad trade don't get me wrong, but the fact in the matter is the NBA market is making one thing clear. Scoring guard role players who don't play defense hold basically no real value in today's NBA. Nobody is attaching anything of value in a trade for those guys and nobody is going to be willing to pay them a lot of money,unless they're very desperate for scoring or simply want to hurt the other team by forcing them to pay that player above market value.

[jayjaysee]

My only explanation is that this is a pre-arranged payment for not picking Ace Bailey.

This makes so much more sense honestly.

[Mavrelous]

An undersized guard who doesn’t play defense isn’t super valuable.

Yes, as POR learned with Simons

I don't know, Tyrese Maxey and Darius Garland are legit max players who will cost a fortune to get, it's not like Maxey is a great floor general either...

[BK_2020]

My only explanation is that this is a pre-arranged payment for not picking Ace Bailey.

So instead of just making a trade to move up, which is completely legal, they decided to do an under-the-table illegal handshake deal?

[Mavrelous]

My only explanation is that this is a pre-arranged payment for not picking Ace Bailey.

So instead of just making a trade to move up, which is completely legal, they decided to do an under-the-table illegal handshake deal?

There was a potential standoff situation, and they may have preferred to do it this way.
I don't love the explanation, but I find it far more likely than the Jazz valuing Nurkic more than Sexton.

[facothomas22]

An undersized guard who doesn’t play defense isn’t super valuable.

Yes, as POR learned with Simons

I don't know, Tyrese Maxey and Darius Garland are legit max players who will cost a fortune to get, it's not like Maxey is a great floor general either...

The difference is that Garland and Maxey are all star or atleast near all star level players. Colin Sexton and Anfernee Simons are role players and it's questionable how viable are they really during the playoffs.

[Mavrelous]

Yes, as POR learned with Simons

I don't know, Tyrese Maxey and Darius Garland are legit max players who will cost a fortune to get, it's not like Maxey is a great floor general either...

The difference is that Garland and Maxey are all star or atleast near all star level players. Colin Sexton and Anfernee SImons are role players and it's questionable how viable are they really during the playoffs.

So, popularity?
Sexton is a good 3 level scorer, and an efficient one at that, Maxey is higher volume, but there is no logical explanation that makes Maxey a 25% max player, and valuable one at that contract, and Sexton 13% and negative value.
I'm not talking about Simons, he's much less of a rim pressure player than Sexton and much less versatile offensively.

[amcoolio]

I think this draft lottery proved there is no point in tanking, even Silver said in interviews afterwards the Mavs were rewarded for playing hard and barely missing the playoffs. I have no faith in the NBA being fair anymore, and the Hornets don't need to tank. It clearly hasn't worked out for them over the past 25 years anyway.

[gswhoops]

My only explanation is that this is a pre-arranged payment for not picking Ace Bailey.

So instead of just making a trade to move up, which is completely legal, they decided to do an under-the-table illegal handshake deal?

Agreed. If this is the "deal," why not just Nurkic + 4 for Sexton + 5 + 2nd with the agreement that Utah was taking Bailey at 4.

[spearsy23]

The only explanation I can think of (other than a gentleman's agreement Peterson not take Ace Bailey 4) is that the market for C has more scarcity than the market for combo guards. Plus Nurkic can rebound and stretch the floor.

These players are almost unplayable in the post-season. Bad defenders, not good enough offensively to be the driving force of the offense and you would rather have size for rebounding/defense as your floor spacers.

Great pickup for teams like Charlotte just trying to be better

TJ McConnell is an undersized combo guard who isn't good enough offensively to be the driving force of an offense, and he just played an important bench role for a conference champion. Obviously TJ is a better distributor, but Charlotte just got a 2nd round pick for taking on a solid 7th-9th man.

[kobe_vs_jordan]

My only explanation is that this is a pre-arranged payment for not picking Ace Bailey.

Seems cheap payment. Danny would had charged an arm and leg for a team to move up. Hornets only getting a second

[yosemiteben]

My only explanation is that this is a pre-arranged payment for not picking Ace Bailey.

So instead of just making a trade to move up, which is completely legal, they decided to do an under-the-table illegal handshake deal?

Agreed. If this is the "deal," why not just Nurkic + 4 for Sexton + 5 + 2nd with the agreement that Utah was taking Bailey at 4.

Exactly. No reason to do the deal in this way if it was agreed to at the draft.

[jbk1234]

My only explanation is that this is a pre-arranged payment for not picking Ace Bailey.

This makes so much more sense honestly.

Except there's no reason it couldn't have been announced as part of the trade on draft night.

[Mavrelous]

So instead of just making a trade to move up, which is completely legal, they decided to do an under-the-table illegal handshake deal?

Agreed. If this is the "deal," why not just Nurkic + 4 for Sexton + 5 + 2nd with the agreement that Utah was taking Bailey at 4.

Exactly. No reason to do the deal in this way if it was agreed to at the draft.

In norma situations yes, but here there was a potential standoff, and CHO may not want to hold the rights to someone not willing tonshow up.

[SkyHook]

Agreed. If this is the "deal," why not just Nurkic + 4 for Sexton + 5 + 2nd with the agreement that Utah was taking Bailey at 4.

Exactly. No reason to do the deal in this way if it was agreed to at the draft.

In norma situations yes, but here there was a potential standoff, and CHO may not want to hold the rights to someone not willing tonshow up.

Jazz may have wanted Bailey at the lower salary.