2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition)

[aim2please]

Spoiler:

Trading Brown for a massive haul is the way to go. Kings are a perfect partner. They're dumb and desperate. Murray+Derozan+Ellis + as many picks and swaps you can get.

Derozan has 10M guaranteed for 26-27, so it's not a long term commitment. IMO Ellis is a hidden gem. An elite defender who's also a good catch and shoot guy. Perfect Holiday replacement. Murray is a young wing 3%D wing who would fit well moving forward. Both guys rank well in xRAPM. https://xrapm.com/table_pages/xRAPM.html

So you get 2 great complimentary pieces moving forward AND you get picks form a poorly run Western team that you can use to trade for the next star to pair up with Tatum. Hopefully next summer.

But this is such a hard sell to the fanbase because Brown is homegrown and the fact he was finals MVP. It would be terrible PR for the new ownership. Brown's reputation far exceeds his impact on winning. Brown has never ranked well in impact stats.

If you look at xRAPM, Celtics had 8 players that ranked 85 percentile or better last season. Tatum, White, Porzingis, Kornet, Horford, Pritchard, Holiday, Hauser. Queta was 71, Brown was 64 percentile.

And it has been like that year after year. His defense has fallen of the cliff last season. With him turning 29 in October, having a knee procedure, this could be last opportunity to get a haul for him. If he gets injured or has a bad year, C's could be stuck with his contract like Philly is with Embiid and George.

Anyways, Tatum is out, Holiday and Zingis are gone, if Kornet and Horford are gone, 5 out of 8 players that ranked elite in their roles are out. Simons ranked as a below league average player last season. He has a historically bad impact of defense, ranked in bottom 5 percentile. Niang ranks slightly worse overall, although not as bad defensively, he's 'only' worse that 87% of defenders in the league.

So basically PP/White/Simmons/Brown/Hauser/Niang/Queta/average center is gonna be around .500 team.

The sooner people realize that C's have to rebuild their asset base to have a chance to build another contender around Tatum, the better. But feel free to be emotionally attached to Brown.

I really like Brown. Never was an advocate to trade him and actually argued with people who wanted him gone, if you go look at my post history. I’m glad it paid off in 24 with the title run and his FMVP.

But since the Jrue and KP trades, I’ve been thinking this is probably the best way to build contender 2.0 around Tatum when he returns. And I agree that the Kings are a good match both with the picks and players returning

I think if they would've got an absolute haul for Jaylen, they would've moved him. But considering they didn't move him, they probably didn't get the haul they wanted.

I agree with you. Kings probably wanted C's to take LaVine back.

[Hal14]

I'd be VERY surprised if they weren't aggressively shopping Simons. Right now as things stand they are about 17 million away from the tax. Niang+Hauser make about 18 million, but then you have to replace their roster spots so trading them only really nets you about 13 million. So there's no real way to get completely under the tax unless Simons is moved. I didn't originally think they'd be able to get all the way under the tax, but it feels like that's where they are going.

I don't think they're trying to get under the tax - just the 2nd apron.

A) all the talk in the media, the quotes from Brad/Wyc have just been about the 2nd apron, how no team will stay over it for more than 2 yrs, how crippling the penalties are, etc.

B) We're not trying to blow it up here. We want to be back in position to contend for a title in 26-27. If we get too carried away with trimming payroll and trading away good, proven players in their prime, we'd be setting ourselves too far back..we'd be gutting the roster too much and then the roster likely won't be good enough to seriously contend in 26-27..

[Larry_Russell]

Just trade brown at this point and tank the season for AJ.

It has always been the most logical move.


And who knows, maybe with a good system Simons becomes a great player (doubt it, used to be a fan, but he just has not improved)


Brown to whatever team can give the best young assets and loads of picks.

[Celts17Pride]

Just trade brown at this point and tank the season for AJ.

It has always been the most logical move.


And who knows, maybe with a good system Simons becomes a great player (doubt it, used to be a fan, but he just has not improved)


Brown to whatever team can give the best young assets and loads of picks.

Ah No.

[Larry_Russell]

Brown to Kings for all their picks, Murray and Ellis...Where does Demar go though? Miami?

Brown to Sacramento

Demar to Miami

Duncan Robinson, Keon Ellius, Kegan Murray and at least 5 firsts to boston?

[Larry_Russell]

Just trade brown at this point and tank the season for AJ.

It has always been the most logical move.


And who knows, maybe with a good system Simons becomes a great player (doubt it, used to be a fan, but he just has not improved)


Brown to whatever team can give the best young assets and loads of picks.

Ah No.

It makes the most sense, free up all the capspace for next season to add a free agent (good looking FA class) potentially add a STUD young player in the next draft, bring back JT and for the year, let all the young guys get tons of opportunity to grow and mature

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Just trade brown at this point and tank the season for AJ.

It has always been the most logical move.


And who knows, maybe with a good system Simons becomes a great player (doubt it, used to be a fan, but he just has not improved)


Brown to whatever team can give the best young assets and loads of picks.

Works for me... Or White. They should stock up on Draft Picks and good Young Players, so they can make a move for Jokic when he becomes available. Also, Giannis is acceptable.

But someone impactful will eventually be available...

[playa-hater]

Brown to Kings for all their picks, Murray and Ellis...Where does Demar go though? Miami?

Brown to Sacramento

Demar to Miami

Duncan Robinson, Keon Ellius, Kegan Murray and at least 5 firsts to boston?

Duncan Robinson is a FA. He opted out.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Read on Twitter

Celtics not interested in Ayton...

[Larry_Russell]

Brown to Kings for all their picks, Murray and Ellis...Where does Demar go though? Miami?

Brown to Sacramento

Demar to Miami

Duncan Robinson, Keon Ellius, Kegan Murray and at least 5 firsts to boston?

Duncan Robinson is a FA. He opted out.

ahh,

[Larry_Russell]

Read on Twitter

Celtics not interested in Ayton...

Of course they arent.

He is a legit center who is better than anything they currently have even with all his warts.

[brackdan70]

The goal should realistically be to get out of the luxury tax all together due to the repeater tax. They’re going to be a repeater for every year once JT returns, so why not reset the clock entirely?

They have made the appropriate moves to easily duck the tax in 26/27 and beyond.

[bigfoot_cryptozoology]

Where is LeBore going?

Dallas has already been mentioned...

[playa-hater]

Charlotte has one true center I believe. Ayton going there is my top guess.

[Larry_Russell]

Where is LeBore going?

Dallas has already been mentioned...

he will go to whoever is the most favored to win a title.

[Larry_Russell]

Charlotte has one true center I believe. Ayton going there is my top guess.

Celtics holding out hope that the great Luke Kornet doesnt get an offer they cannot match. lol.

[brackdan70]

Just trade brown at this point and tank the season for AJ.

It has always been the most logical move.


And who knows, maybe with a good system Simons becomes a great player (doubt it, used to be a fan, but he just has not improved)


Brown to whatever team can give the best young assets and loads of picks.

I am pretty sure this has never been the most logical move.
I mean if there is a really strong offer for Brown…then perhaps, but tanking in hopes of a top 4 pick is not statistically logical.

[gammajamma]

Just trade brown at this point and tank the season for AJ.

It has always been the most logical move.


And who knows, maybe with a good system Simons becomes a great player (doubt it, used to be a fan, but he just has not improved)


Brown to whatever team can give the best young assets and loads of picks.

I am pretty sure this has never been the most logical move.
I mean if there is a really strong offer for Brown…then perhaps, but tanking in hopes of a top 4 pick is not statistically logical.

especially since the last two lottery winners had less than 5% chance of winning it

[cloverleaf]

I'd be VERY surprised if they weren't aggressively shopping Simons. Right now as things stand they are about 17 million away from the tax. Niang+Hauser make about 18 million, but then you have to replace their roster spots so trading them only really nets you about 13 million. So there's no real way to get completely under the tax unless Simons is moved. I didn't originally think they'd be able to get all the way under the tax, but it feels like that's where they are going.

I don't think they're trying to get under the tax - just the 2nd apron.

A) all the talk in the media, the quotes from Brad/Wyc have just been about the 2nd apron, how no team will stay over it for more than 2 yrs, how crippling the penalties are, etc.

B) We're not trying to blow it up here. We want to be back in position to contend for a title in 26-27. If we get too carried away with trimming payroll and trading away good, proven players in their prime, we'd be setting ourselves too far back..we'd be gutting the roster too much and then the roster likely won't be good enough to seriously contend in 26-27..

My guess is they're going all the way to under the tax, if they can. This is the year to get there if they're going to do it.

[itrsteve]

Celtics not interested in Ayton...

Can't drive in the snow