Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8

gambitx777 · Post #1181 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:08 pm

I wouldn't mind signing Ayton if we could to trade later. But he almost has laker written all over him.

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pcbothwel · Post #1182 » by **pcbothwel** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:32 pm

gambitx777 wrote:I wouldn't mind signing Ayton if we could to trade later. But he almost has laker written all over him.

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Ayton is a loser and want no part of him around our young core. We value hustle, physicality, and BBIQ... Ayton is the antithesis of all of those

Post #1183 » by **nate33** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:42 pm

pcbothwel wrote:
gambitx777 wrote:I wouldn't mind signing Ayton if we could to trade later. But he almost has laker written all over him.

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Ayton is a loser and want no part of him around our young core. We value hustle, physicality, and BBIQ... Ayton is the antithesis of all of those

Exactly.

We want guys like Olynyk, who know how to play but are not too old and too slow to actually be effective defensively. Those guys can still effectively teach technique, but they won't accidentally win us too many games.

dckingsfan · Post #1184 » by **dckingsfan** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:48 pm

nate33 wrote:
NatP4 wrote:
dckingsfan wrote:Let's wait and see how those draft picks turn out in the long run. I am not convinced.

The picks were solid. I had Penda and Jase both top 20 - so, that was terrific value. And Jase could be a nice spark plug behind Bane and Suggs. Penda gets a chance to develop (and he definitely needs time) behind Wagner.

Either way, they are in a pretty good place to compete if the injury bug doesn't bite them again. I still think they are missing a rim protector to take them to the next level. And I don't buy their cap management thus far.

Was looking at EPM today. Franz Wagner is 10th in the NBA, above Curry, Wemby AD, Anthony Edwards.

One of the most underrated players in the league. I think they can compete for a championship next year.

What's interesting is that he ranks so well despite having a horrific season from 3-point range (.295) which resulted in a very pedestrian TS% (.558). Where he shines is in his massive on/off differential of +12.9. I think EPM heavily draws on that metric.

Yeah, I think Franz will "bounce back" with another even better year. Same with Paolo. In both cases assuming the injury bug won't bite again. And don't forget the injury to Suggs as well.

One thing they are missing (IMO) is a decent rim protector. Well, for the playoffs anyway. Gaga is fine for the regular season but he just got run off the court in the playoffs.

So they are going to run out the following:

Starters: Suggs/Bane/Franz/Paolo/Goga in the regular season.

Bench: Isaac, Carter, Black, Silva

Deep Bench: Howard, Richardson, Penda

They may not be done trading (and will need to add a FA). But I don't see that team going head to head with OKC (or Houston for that matter) and unlike OKC, they didn't offload their FRPs. But yeah, if healthy they will do some damage in the east where both Boston and Indy aren't going to be back to form.

I see Cleveland, Orlando, Detroit

and NY being the best teams in the east.

gambitx777 · Post #1185 » by **gambitx777** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:18 pm

Porter Jr to the nets wild

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Post #1186 » by **Rafael122** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:59 pm

If Denver can get two guys (backup guard and center) with the MLE, they are in good shape. They got Brown on the vet minimum. He's probably a lost cause but he's coming over on the cheap.

closg00 · Post #1187 » by **closg00** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:54 am

I like the Suns off-season so-far, going overseas to grab this guy.

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Post #1188 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:34 pm

Lakers really are a poverty franchise when you think about it. Only reason why Lebron picked LA is b/c of his off court deals, then they hoodwinked Dallas into trading Luka. Other than that, it's been a terribly ran franchise for what...15 years? Their biggest need is a center. How do you go into the first day of free agency and not grab a center?

Post #1189 » by **nate33** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:16 pm

Rafael122 wrote:If Denver can get two guys (backup guard and center) with the MLE, they are in good shape. They got Brown on the vet minimum. He's probably a lost cause but he's coming over on the cheap.

Yeah, I'd love to see them get a legit 2-way SF on the MLE. The quality of the free agent pool is declining rapidly though. DFS would have been ideal. It looks like the best guy left is Kuminga. I seriously doubt Kuminga will settle for the MLE, but maybe if Brooklyn spends their cap room elsewhere, Kuminga could take a 1-year show-me deal and try and boost his value for free agency in 2026. There's no better place to boost your value than to play alongside Jokic.

Frichuela · Post #1190 » by **Frichuela** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:15 pm

Shocker in Indiana. Turner to the Bucks!

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pcbothwel · Post #1191 » by **pcbothwel** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:24 pm

Damn... I really did NOT expect the Bucks to eat that Dame deal. They are really feeling the pressure to keep Giannis happy.

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Frichuela · Post #1192 » by **Frichuela** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:27 pm

pcbothwel wrote:Damn... I really did NOT expect the Bucks to eat that Dame deal. They are really feeling the pressure to keep Giannis happy.

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They better hurry and sign a PG pronto...

Post #1193 » by **nate33** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:28 pm

What a bizarre turn of events! I see how Turner is a good fit alongside Giannis, but Milwaukee now has to build a team around them with no picks and Lillard's dead weight salary adding $23M a year to their cap for the next 5 years.

Frichuela · Post #1194 » by **Frichuela** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:33 pm

nate33 wrote:What a bizarre turn of events! I see how Turner is a good fit alongside Giannis, but Milwaukee now has to build a team around them with no picks and Lillard's dead weight salary adding $23M a year to their cap for the next 5 years.

Yep. Shocking. They're basically paying nearly $50 mn/yr to get Turner....

Post #1195 » by **nate33** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:38 pm

Frichuela wrote:
nate33 wrote:What a bizarre turn of events! I see how Turner is a good fit alongside Giannis, but Milwaukee now has to build a team around them with no picks and Lillard's dead weight salary adding $23M a year to their cap for the next 5 years.

Yep. Shocking. They're basically paying nearly $50 mn/yr to get Turner....

For the most part, the stretch provision never seemed to be useful. Generally speaking it's better to just get through the pain of a bad contract quickly than to prolong the agony for twice as long. But I guess in the case of Milwaukee, with Giannis prime being right freaking now, they'd rather push back the pain of Lillard's contract to the future to make them slightly better now.

I don't think they have any chance at contention, but at least they can remain dignified in being a competitive 40-48 win team for the next couple of years of Giannis' prime. Heck, maybe Kevin Porter Jr. somehow unlocks his potential and emerges as a legit force at guard to make them a more complete team.

closg00 · Post #1196 » by **closg00** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:38 pm

Bucks better lock-up CP3 quick

DukeLecker · Post #1197 » by **DukeLecker** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:38 pm

The finals have a way of exposing players warts, and I don’t think I’ve watched more than a couple games of Turners career so I’m looking at him with a very limited scope, but I left the finals unimpressed with Turner. I don’t see him as a missing piece for Milwaukee. I’d rather Lopez at 2/18 than turner 4/107 and using the new found space on something else.

Post #1198 » by **nate33** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:45 pm

DukeLecker wrote:The finals have a way of exposing players warts, and I don’t think I’ve watched more than a couple games of Turners career so I’m looking at him with a very limited scope, but I left the finals unimpressed with Turner. I don’t see him as a missing piece for Milwaukee. I’d rather Lopez at 2/18 than turner 4/107 and using the new found space on something else.

Lopez is at the age where his decline is coming pretty rapidly though. I don't think it's reasonable to project that Lopez at age 37 and 38 will be anything like Lopez at age 34, 35 and 36. He really can't defend anymore. If you look at his on/off numbers, three seasons ago he was +11.7; two seasons ago he was +6.3; last season, he was -0.3.

On paper, Turner is a really good fit. He is basically a younger, slightly more switchable Lopez. And having that stretch 5 next to Giannis is crucial to unluck Giannis in the paint.

closg00 · Post #1199 » by **closg00** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:50 pm

The key thing is that the Bucks are showing Giannis that they are “doing something”, they can run it back with CP3 and Westbrick if they can get them.

Post #1200 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:52 pm

This is why its rare for small market teams to make it far and why the OKC potential dynasty would be fascinating to watch. Indiana just made the finals for the first time in 25 years, and the first thing the owner refuses to do is not go over the tax, let alone any aprons. And using the built in excuse that Haliburton is hurt so there's no point in competing. What?