coldfish wrote:OxAndFox wrote:druggas wrote:You show how Thibs improved every team he coached, then you call him a bum. Something doesn't add up.
Well that's what I'm saying. Was it him? Did he not arrive in Chicago at the right time and that catapulted his reputation, thus career? I mean if anything it SHOULD have given the biggest red flag ever. He was an AC for so many years and then his Derrick Rose....Errrmm Chicago years propelled him to....a screaming halt, then multiple stops to only fail with his very own philosophy time and time again. He can be a good coach and be called a bum though right? Why do people call players that are clearly very good, bums, yet a HC that has a track record that is similar is what? If you want to be brutal, be brutal, but be consistent.
Thibs was worth about 10 wins a season in Chicago. That team he got to 48 wins with when Derrick was out was awful. The 62 win team was a 50 win team type talent with almost zero offense outside of Rose.
As soon as Thibs left, Hoiberg won like 8 games less with virtually the same team and got bounced in the first round.
Thibs issue is actually this "regular season bounce". He gets his team to perform at a level above its talent and then it gets exposed in the playoffs.
The Knicks aren't a great team. Unless they make a major trade, I bet they win in the low 40's next year and get bounced in the first round.
I mean, I think in this case, the franchise just crapped their brains. Getting rid of Thibs after they did so well in the playoffs was wild, especially since Thibs wasn't responsible for the roster. Yeah, he loaded minutes on his guys, but look at the offense in the playoffs, right? OG fell apart, Josh Hart wasn't a volume scorer, KAT was pretty inconsistent, Bridges was pretty inconsistent, and eventually leaning on a 6'2 guard as a volume scorer broke down, as it typically does. Particularly with how KAT crapped himself in Game 6 against Indy.
Not a lot else there to do for Thibs, unless he was expected to be a savant offensive coach with that particular group.