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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#121 » by ProcessDoctor » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:22 pm

My biggest concerns with Boucher are that he only played 50 games each of the last 2 seasons and will be 33 to start the season. I feel like we could be signing him as he starts to fall off. He doesn't quite fit the "younger rotation" Morey has spoken about.

I think Trey Lyles will be better over the next several seasons and has been more durable throughout his career. Former #12 overall pick. Very good TRB% and 3PAr on good percentages. Will turn 30 shortly after the start of next season.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#122 » by the_process » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:32 pm

If they sogn Grimes 3-48 and Yabu 2-11 (tmle) that puts them right against the 2nd apron with only 13 players.

They are going to have to dump Oubre.

Also Josh will have no way to avoid the tax unless they are trading Embiid or George.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#123 » by Iscull » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:34 pm

the_process wrote:If they sogn Grimes 3-48 and Yabu 2-11 (tmle) that puts them right against the 2nd apron with only 13 players.

They are going to have to dump Oubre.

Also Josh will have no way to avoid the tax unless they are trading Embiid or George.


I think dumping Drummond will be one of the first moves. His salary is about 2 vet min's, so that takes us to 14 players.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#124 » by Iscull » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:40 pm

Anyone think there's a Clint Capela reunion?
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#125 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:40 pm

Mik317 wrote:doesn't Boucher hate Nurse?


Maybe, but he loves the almighty dollar!
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#127 » by Iscull » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:49 pm

B-Ball Paul had a rough year in Detroit last year. I think he could be had for the vet min. Would be another backup PF/C.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#128 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 30, 2025 1:53 pm

the_process wrote:If they sogn Grimes 3-48 and Yabu 2-11 (tmle) that puts them right against the 2nd apron with only 13 players.

They are going to have to dump Oubre.

Also Josh will have no way to avoid the tax unless they are trading Embiid or George.


Where are you getting that? I have this:

Under Contract
Embiid 55.2
George 51.6
Maxey 37.9
Oubre 8.3
Drummond 5.0
McCain 4.2
Council 2.2
Edwards 2.0
Bona 1.9
TOTAL 9 Players Under Contact: 168.3

Draft Picks To Sign
Edgecombe 11.1
Broome 1.2
TOTAL 2 Draft Picks To Sign: 12.3

Free Agents to Sign
Grimes 16.0
TaxMLE 5.8 (Yabu? Boucher? LaRavia?)
Vet Min 2.0 (Lowry?)
TOTAL 3 Free Agents to Sign: 23.8

TOTAL for 14 Players: 204.4

$204.4m is $3.4m under the 2nd Apron of $207.8m. We can bump up Grimes to $19m in year 1 and remain under the 2nd Apron while still using the full TaxMLE on Yabu or someone else, without having to dump Oubre or Drummond.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/cap/_/year/2025
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#129 » by PhillyFan11 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:07 pm

A few names I wouldn’t mind gambling on for end of roster minimums:

Jake LaRavia, Kai Jones, Caleb Houstan, Jabari Walker, Sandro Mamukelasvili
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#130 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:13 pm

Mik317 wrote:doesn't Boucher hate Nurse?


I watched interviews where Boucher was talking about him. Doesn't seem too bad, but maybe there's a backstory I don't know well.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#131 » by Kolkmania » Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:21 pm

Arsenal wrote:
the_process wrote:If they sogn Grimes 3-48 and Yabu 2-11 (tmle) that puts them right against the 2nd apron with only 13 players.

They are going to have to dump Oubre.

Also Josh will have no way to avoid the tax unless they are trading Embiid or George.


Where are you getting that? I have this:

Under Contract
Embiid 55.2
George 51.6
Maxey 37.9
Oubre 8.3
Drummond 5.0
McCain 4.2
Council 2.2
Edwards 2.0
Bona 1.9
TOTAL 9 Players Under Contact: 168.3

Draft Picks To Sign
Edgecombe 11.1
Broome 1.2
TOTAL 2 Draft Picks To Sign: 12.3

Free Agents to Sign
Grimes 16.0
TaxMLE 5.8 (Yabu? Boucher? LaRavia?)
Vet Min 2.0 (Lowry?)
TOTAL 3 Free Agents to Sign: 23.8

TOTAL for 14 Players: 204.4

$204.4m is $3.4m under the 2nd Apron of $207.8m. We can bump up Grimes to $19m in year 1 and remain under the 2nd Apron while still using the full TaxMLE on Yabu or someone else, without having to dump Oubre or Drummond.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/cap/_/year/2025


I am certainly not a cap expect, but I think you have to take into account that VJ and Broome will be signed for 120% of rookie scale contracts? For VJ that bumps him to 13.2, which is significant difference compared to the 11.1 you have him listed.
Veteran minimum deal is 2.3 and I assume that Gordon is (also) promised one since he opted out of his contract? those differences into consideration there's a little bit less available than the full TaxMLE?

I assume (or better said, hope) that not both Gordon and Lowry get a vet min deal, but just one. I do think we will stay well below the 2nd apron line after free agency period to have the flexibility to sign a two-way or summer league player into our 15th roster spot during the season. So that's another 1.3 million?

So I end up at roughly 3.7 million more than you do for 15 players. So just below the full taxMLE if I calculate correctly. That assumes a starting salary of 16m for Grimes and honestly, that feels a bit on the low end.

We could release Council IV, that would allow us to sign one of our two-way or summer league guys to a contract and save roughly 1 one million that we could use for Grimes/TaxMLE.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#132 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 30, 2025 2:29 pm

Kolkmania wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
the_process wrote:If they sogn Grimes 3-48 and Yabu 2-11 (tmle) that puts them right against the 2nd apron with only 13 players.

They are going to have to dump Oubre.

Also Josh will have no way to avoid the tax unless they are trading Embiid or George.


Where are you getting that? I have this:

Under Contract
Embiid 55.2
George 51.6
Maxey 37.9
Oubre 8.3
Drummond 5.0
McCain 4.2
Council 2.2
Edwards 2.0
Bona 1.9
TOTAL 9 Players Under Contact: 168.3

Draft Picks To Sign
Edgecombe 11.1
Broome 1.2
TOTAL 2 Draft Picks To Sign: 12.3

Free Agents to Sign
Grimes 16.0
TaxMLE 5.8 (Yabu? Boucher? LaRavia?)
Vet Min 2.0 (Lowry?)
TOTAL 3 Free Agents to Sign: 23.8

TOTAL for 14 Players: 204.4

$204.4m is $3.4m under the 2nd Apron of $207.8m. We can bump up Grimes to $19m in year 1 and remain under the 2nd Apron while still using the full TaxMLE on Yabu or someone else, without having to dump Oubre or Drummond.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/cap/_/year/2025


I am certainly not a cap expect, but I think you have to take into account that VJ and Broome will be signed for 120% of rookie scale contracts? For VJ that bumps him to 13.2, which is significant difference compared to the 11.1 you have him listed.
Veteran minimum deal is 2.3 and I assume that Gordon is (also) promised one since he opted out of his contract? those differences into consideration there's a little bit less available than the full TaxMLE?

Assuming that not both Gordon and Lowry get a vet min deal, but just one, I do think we will stay well below the 2nd apron line to have the flexibility to sign a two-way or summer league player into our 15th roster spot. So that's another 1.3 million.

So I end up at roughly 3.7 million more than you do for 15 players. So just below the full taxMLE if I calculate correctly. That assumes a starting salary of 16m for Grimes and honestly, that feels a bit on the low end.

We could release Council IV, that would allow us to sign one of our two-way or summer league guys to a contract and save roughly 1 one million that we could use for Grimes/TaxMLE.


Reed Sheppard was the 3rd pick last year and got paid $10.0m in year 1 so my estimate of $11.1 for Edgecombe (the cap hold given by Spotrac) is a much better estimate than your $13.7m.

And I have Broome at a slight raise from what Bona got last year as a 2nd rounder so again, my estimate Is better that your speculation.

The vet min cap/tax hit will most likely be $2.3m which is the 2 year of service vet minimum for 2025, so bump up my estimate for the last vet min to $2.3m instead of $2.0m.

That leaves us at $204.7m for 14 players, again allowing us to bump Grimes up to around $19m in year 1 while using the tMLE and not dumping Oubre or Drummond. We always start the year with only 14 players, not 15, and I don't see why this year would be different.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#133 » by the_process » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:47 pm

Arsenal wrote:
the_process wrote:If they sogn Grimes 3-48 and Yabu 2-11 (tmle) that puts them right against the 2nd apron with only 13 players.

They are going to have to dump Oubre.

Also Josh will have no way to avoid the tax unless they are trading Embiid or George.


Where are you getting that? I have this:

Under Contract
Embiid 55.2
George 51.6
Maxey 37.9
Oubre 8.3
Drummond 5.0
McCain 4.2
Council 2.2
Edwards 2.0
Bona 1.9
TOTAL 9 Players Under Contact: 168.3

Draft Picks To Sign
Edgecombe 11.1
Broome 1.2
TOTAL 2 Draft Picks To Sign: 12.3

Free Agents to Sign
Grimes 16.0
TaxMLE 5.8 (Yabu? Boucher? LaRavia?)
Vet Min 2.0 (Lowry?)
TOTAL 3 Free Agents to Sign: 23.8

TOTAL for 14 Players: 204.4

$204.4m is $3.4m under the 2nd Apron of $207.8m. We can bump up Grimes to $19m in year 1 and remain under the 2nd Apron while still using the full TaxMLE on Yabu or someone else, without having to dump Oubre or Drummond.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/cap/_/year/2025


Gordon is supposedly coming back at the minimum where he gets a raise but the Sixers get a smaller cap hit. That's another 2.1M.

They would be at 206.5M hard capped at 207.8. Doesn't leave much room for injury replacements, but they would have a full 15. Just seems to me they dump Oubre for a 2nd and give themselves a wide berth and only carry 14 which is Daryl's MO.

But maybe Gordon just decides to go elsewhere and then it's not a concern.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#134 » by Mik317 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:50 pm

wasting two rosters spots on "veteran leadership" is **** stupid. That kind of thinking burnt us last year when half of them dudes were out with tooth aches and ****.

If you need said leadership get it from dudes 26 to 30 at least goddam
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#135 » by Stanford » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:51 pm

Maxey is mature enough to provide veteran leadership. Enough is enough!
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#136 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 30, 2025 3:54 pm

the_process wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
the_process wrote:If they sogn Grimes 3-48 and Yabu 2-11 (tmle) that puts them right against the 2nd apron with only 13 players.

They are going to have to dump Oubre.

Also Josh will have no way to avoid the tax unless they are trading Embiid or George.


Where are you getting that? I have this:

Under Contract
Embiid 55.2
George 51.6
Maxey 37.9
Oubre 8.3
Drummond 5.0
McCain 4.2
Council 2.2
Edwards 2.0
Bona 1.9
TOTAL 9 Players Under Contact: 168.3

Draft Picks To Sign
Edgecombe 11.1
Broome 1.2
TOTAL 2 Draft Picks To Sign: 12.3

Free Agents to Sign
Grimes 16.0
TaxMLE 5.8 (Yabu? Boucher? LaRavia?)
Vet Min 2.0 (Lowry?)
TOTAL 3 Free Agents to Sign: 23.8

TOTAL for 14 Players: 204.4

$204.4m is $3.4m under the 2nd Apron of $207.8m. We can bump up Grimes to $19m in year 1 and remain under the 2nd Apron while still using the full TaxMLE on Yabu or someone else, without having to dump Oubre or Drummond.

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/philadelphia-76ers/cap/_/year/2025


Gordon is supposedly coming back at the minimum where he gets a raise but the Sixers get a smaller cap hit. That's another 2.1M.

They would be at 206.5M hard capped at 207.8. Doesn't leave much room for injury replacements, but they would have a full 15. Just seems to me they dump Oubre for a 2nd and give themselves a wide berth and only carry 14 which is Daryl's MO.

But maybe Gordon just decides to go elsewhere and then it's not a concern.


I'm very confident we're not going with 15 players, nor are we dumping Oubre. Gordon coming back is just speculation at this point but if he is, I assume Lowry is not so we still end up at the same salary/tax for 14 players.
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#137 » by Negrodamus » Mon Jun 30, 2025 4:03 pm

But Gordon is Edgecombe’s Bahama Buddy. Or is that Buddy Hield?
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Re: 2025 Offseason Free Agency Thread 

Post#138 » by Arsenal » Mon Jun 30, 2025 4:07 pm

Negrodamus wrote:But Gordon is Edgecombe’s Bahama Buddy. Or is that Buddy Hield?


VJ is a true professional who is more mature than his young 19 years, therefore he doesn't need any kind of veteran binkie from the Bahamas in order to attain greatness!
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Post#140 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Mon Jun 30, 2025 4:23 pm

Always felt like the "great locker room guy" was always some conjured up bull$hit that people use to validate keeping dead weight on your roster. Lowry, Gordon, and Drummond are all dead weight. I don't care how cool they are. Oubre too. Never liked him.

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