Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

[Merit]

Yes I think we can do much better than IQ and I'm not a fan of his contract.

Don’t know why people are so low on IQ.
He actually played pretty well after returning from a major injury.

Give him a full season before giving up on him.

I think he’ll excel as that 3rd guy. Ingram and Scottie will create a lot of wide open spot up opportunities for him.

I like IQ but i think trying to make him the long term starting PG would not be putting him in the best position for him to succeed...I think his best position is a 6th man microwave scorer....He can't "Run the show" as a PG....Like a Lowry for example....We have been lacking a true floor general for a long time and it kinda shows....If we can find a floor general out there in a trade id be fine moving on from either RJ/IQ for that kind of a player.

Iq opens up space for Scottie and RJ and Ingram. Scottie is the defacto point guard anyway.

Ps. Iq + RJ = Giannis (plus a small piece) in salary

[YogurtProducer]

We really got fleeced by the Knicks in that OG trade.. Made the Siakam trade look decent which is bad. Should have just traded OG for 1st rounders rather than some mediocre players.

Not sure how you can come to that conclusion already... We haven't really seen the team play together much, IQ only played 33 games last season and RJ is still only 25. I think people forget how much we were struggling to score as a team prior to the trade, our offense immediately improved because both guys can self-create.

I think you might have forgotten.

2023-24 season

Pre trade 113.7ppg
Post trade 111.5ppg

Pre trade 114 OFFRTG
Post trade 110.4 OFFRTG

ORTG up to 12/31/23 (OG Trade) = 114.0
ORTG from 1/1/24 - 1/15/24 (Siakam trade) = 118.7 (AKA - better exactly as Realtor Realtor said).
ORTG from 1/16/24 - 3/03/24 (Scottie/Poeltl injury) = 114.0
ORTG rest of year (tanking) = 105.5

Soooo this shouldn't likely shock anyone, but Scase's post is blatantly misleading and Raptors Realtor was 100% correct. Scase was the one to misremember.

[PushDaRock]

They don't value someone like Ayton either who is the complete opposite of what they look for in a player.

It’s not about valuing Ayton. It’s about valuing his expiring contract.

If you’re swapping 2 negative assets, would you rather pay $35M for one year or pay $57M over the span of 2 years when you’re already a luxury tax team.

Poeltl will decline his player option at the end of the next season as well. Good luck extending him if RJ is still on the books.

I'm of the belief that the Raptors simply just need to clean house with the roster. Don't make any long term extensions for a while.

RJ should be expiring soon so at the every least don't extend him and try to retain an asset if you're up against the wall. The value in his next contract will just be much worse.

IQ being a shooter should have value.

And yeah, we probably do need to trade Barnes to get some serious assets in for future drafts. Nothing against Barnes here, but I think it's time to turn the page there too. With a team that clearly has a #1 option, what Barnes provides will be much more valuable than to us.

Cleaning house without even giving the roster a chance sounds like a great idea.

[djsunyc]

if rj is still on the roster, then maybe his maximized value is a 6th man of the year guy? will darko or the org have the stones to do that? will rj accept?

[ConSarnit]

if rj is still on the roster, then maybe his maximized value is a 6th man of the year guy? will darko or the org have the stones to do that? will rj accept?

I would bet that would lead to some type of public/private trade request from RJ. It has been widely reported that agents do not like it when their guys come off the bench. It pigeon holes them and hurts players come free agency.

RJ is going to be dead in his prime when he becomes a free agent. In theory it will be his best chance at a huge payday. He’s not going to want to be seen as a bench guy because the difference between high end bench guy and solid starter is $10m+ per year.

[S.W.A.N]

RJ isn’t the better contract because Ayton is on an expiring one.

Raps would gladly do this trade, not sure about Portland.

That's a terrible deal, zero chance Raps do this.

YOU wouldn’t do this lol. Raptors don’t value RJ like y’all do.

And now you see how teams valued Ayton.

[HumbleRen]

That's a terrible deal, zero chance Raps do this.

YOU wouldn’t do this lol. Raptors don’t value RJ like y’all do.

And now you see how teams valued Ayton.

The guy that’s going to be one of the hottest free agents on the market now?

The waive more so tells me that like the Pelicans didn’t want RJ, Portland doesn’t want to take on a bad contract to get rid of a player they don’t want.

Bobby got his work cut out for him, it’s going to be really hard to flip RJ without taking on a bad contract.

[PushDaRock]

YOU wouldn’t do this lol. Raptors don’t value RJ like y’all do.

And now you see how teams valued Ayton.

The guy that’s going to be one of the hottest free agents on the market now?

The waive more so tells me that like the Pelicans didn’t want RJ, Portland doesn’t want to take on a bad contract to get rid of a player they don’t want.

Bobby got his work cut out for him, it’s going to be really hard to flip RJ without taking on a bad contract.

Easy decision to keep him instead then

[HumbleRen]

And now you see how teams valued Ayton.

The guy that’s going to be one of the hottest free agents on the market now?

The waive more so tells me that like the Pelicans didn’t want RJ, Portland doesn’t want to take on a bad contract to get rid of a player they don’t want.

Bobby got his work cut out for him, it’s going to be really hard to flip RJ without taking on a bad contract.

Easy decision to keep him instead then

It is but that depends if MLSE is okay with paying a team that is top 10 in salary for next year while probably not making the playoffs lol.

[S.W.A.N]

YOU wouldn’t do this lol. Raptors don’t value RJ like y’all do.

And now you see how teams valued Ayton.

The guy that’s going to be one of the hottest free agents on the market now?

The waive more so tells me that like the Pelicans didn’t want RJ, Portland doesn’t want to take on a bad contract to get rid of a player they don’t want.

Bobby got his work cut out for him, it’s going to be really hard to flip RJ without taking on a bad contract.

Ayton at 15 million is a interesting player. At 35.5 million he was an albatross.

RJ isn't as bad at 27.7 but ya probably taking back a bad contract, especially if we are making the trade for salary dump purposes. We're probably looking to shed 3-5 million to make sure we under tax line?

RJ for Derozan and both teams puke in their mouths as they make the deal

[Scase]

Does this make sense?

To Toronto: Paul George, Walker Kessler
To Jazz: RJ Barrett, Jakob Poeltl, Gradey Dick
To Philly: Lauri Markkanen

These are the bones. Jazz obviously need more. What would it take to move this deal across the finish line and does it make sense for everyone involved?

I feel like you think this is Paul George from 10 years ago. Hes currently one of the least desired players in the nba due to his contract lol

I don't disagree with you at all. But unless we're tearing this thing down, the only way to take a step forward and potentially make us better is a move sort of like this one.

You won't get valuable picks or youth for RJ and Poeltl so if they're to be dealt, you're looking at taking on long term salary at worst or expirings at best.

Something tells me ownership is not going to want to continue to slowly build - though for what it worth, that's what I think we should have been doing. Instead, Masai and Co. chose to make some rather impulsive quick fixes that's lead us to where we are now.

PG is the player you get paid to take, not one you pay for.

The Jazz aint the one that need compensation here. They also probably wouldn't make the trade simply because they picked up Nurk and want to tank again.

[Scase]

if rj is still on the roster, then maybe his maximized value is a 6th man of the year guy? will darko or the org have the stones to do that? will rj accept?

Honestly, the only hope this team has is that Masai was actually calling all the shots and Bobby just followed orders. Assuming he didn't want to make those moves we can expect things to be shaken up with him as the shot caller.

But, if Bobby was in fact the one handling most everything, we are SOL.

[WWSRD]

You know, I have a feeling RJ is coming with 22/6/6 season with a 37 3pt%

Like he’s still pretty good.

[ItsDanger]

If the belief is true that Raps rehabbed RJ's trade value since acquiring him, then there should be plenty of trade possibilities.

[RaptorPride]

The best deal I see us getting for RJ is Monk and Keegan Murray. That's if Sac sees him as their future 3.

[everdiso]

I'm always up for an upgrade, but trading these two for anything other than legit fulltime NBA starting quality players seems all sorts of wrong to me.

IQ is a well above average starter and might be a very good one, and RJ has proven that he's at least an average one.

We actually have 5 legit NBA starters (all who can do something with the ball in their hands in a late clock situation) to start the season for the first time since the 2 Champ and post-Champ years (and it was a long time without 5 before those years). And most of them are well above average starters. And none of them are old and a few of them probably haven't even peaked yet.

This team should be good and I would imagine all of them will look better playing in a starting lineup with each other, and their trade values will only increase.

[bobbyp3588]

YOU wouldn’t do this lol. Raptors don’t value RJ like y’all do.

And now you see how teams valued Ayton.

The guy that’s going to be one of the hottest free agents on the market now?

The waive more so tells me that like the Pelicans didn’t want RJ, Portland doesn’t want to take on a bad contract to get rid of a player they don’t want.

Bobby got his work cut out for him, it’s going to be really hard to flip RJ without taking on a bad contract.

Wow. Way to spin it! Let’s not pretend Portland had the choice of trading Ayton for RJ or waiving him and decided to waive him. That’s NONSENSE, and not what’s happened here. lol.

An RJ offer for Ayton was never on the table because Ayton sucks.

The blind RJ hate is getting out of hand and it’s so stupid and not based in reality.

Gonna be lots of pissed off “fans” watching RJ as a Rap until he retires.

I’m here for it.

[tsherkin]

Gonna be lots of pissed off “fans” watching RJ as a Rap until he retires.

I’m here for it.

This probably won't happen, if only because of the financial situation.

But we definitely shouldn't toss RJ away for nothing. And in this case, Ayton probably isn't the move. He's a better player on offense, but he's lazy on defense at a more defensively-critical position, which is a problem, and he's got availability issues.

[Shakril]

Don’t know why people are so low on IQ.
He actually played pretty well after returning from a major injury.

Give him a full season before giving up on him.

I think he’ll excel as that 3rd guy. Ingram and Scottie will create a lot of wide open spot up opportunities for him.

I like IQ but i think trying to make him the long term starting PG would not be putting him in the best position for him to succeed...I think his best position is a 6th man microwave scorer....He can't "Run the show" as a PG....Like a Lowry for example....We have been lacking a true floor general for a long time and it kinda shows....If we can find a floor general out there in a trade id be fine moving on from either RJ/IQ for that kind of a player.

Iq opens up space for Scottie and RJ and Ingram. Scottie is the defacto point guard anyway.

Ps. Iq + RJ = Giannis (plus a small piece) in salary

Scottie is not a PG. He makes too many dumb turnovers when he is initiating the offense. We need a PG like IQ for the ballhandling.

[HumbleRen]

And now you see how teams valued Ayton.

The guy that’s going to be one of the hottest free agents on the market now?

The waive more so tells me that like the Pelicans didn’t want RJ, Portland doesn’t want to take on a bad contract to get rid of a player they don’t want.

Bobby got his work cut out for him, it’s going to be really hard to flip RJ without taking on a bad contract.

Wow. Way to spin it! Let’s not pretend Portland had the choice of trading Ayton for RJ or waiving him and decided to waive him. That’s NONSENSE, and not what’s happened here. lol.

An RJ offer for Ayton was never on the table because Ayton sucks.

The blind RJ hate is getting out of hand and it’s so stupid and not based in reality.

Gonna be lots of pissed off “fans” watching RJ as a Rap until he retires.

I’m here for it.

The reports literally said they didn’t want to take back a bad contract, which RJ is lol. That’s not spinning, that’s just the reality of it.

Same way Pelicans rather of had Bruce Brown and Kelly over RJ.

I don’t really care for what you RJ fanboys wish for, you guys can desperately want him to be apart of the core if you want but the FO is clearly trying to move him. You can get attached to him if you want but winning teams don’t have room for non efficient defensive guards making near 30M a year. Sorry man.