2025 Offseason Trade and Free Agency Thread (The Fun Never Stops Edition)

[cl2117]

Can’t see the Bulls doing that but it would make sense

Vuc would be the better target. They've got Zach Collins and Jalen Smith, Vuc is 35 and not part of their future he's only temporarily propping them up. Simons makes more sense for their timeline.

They also have a big TPE and could eat Niang or Hauser and still be WAY under the tax.

Possibly Patrick Williams' long-term money instead of Vuc if they're looking to get off that train at the earliest station possible. $18m per year is ugly for Pat Will but it's flat each year so at least it gets slightly better. He seems like a classic reclamation project that likely won't work out but I can talk myself into it if they take Niang as well we're out of the tax this year.

Vuc is terrible. I really don’t want to see him on this team. Especially at his current contract.

All that matters is that Vuc makes $6m less than Simons. He might even be a candidate to be flipped later on if a team is desperate for a big man for more savings of even a 2nd or two. He'd be a neg negative but he'll have gaudy offensive numbers in Joe's system, so maybe we can sell that gold to a fool.

[cl2117]

DFS apparently likely to defect from the Lakers to the Rockets. Houston building a team to rival OKC out in the west.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Simons to Milwaukee
Kuzma/asset to Philly
Oubre, Drummnd, Gordon to Boston

Really tough to find a decent Simons trade if and when they decide to get out of the repeater tax situation for the years following.

Can anyone help me out here? Are you in the repeater tax when you are over the tax for 3 of the last 4 years, in which case, to get out of it we would have to dip below the tax for not only this year, but one of the three following as well? So, any way you slice it, we'd have to be a below the tax team in at least one of Tatum's upcoming healthy years too, to escape repeater penalties?

[165bows]

DFS apparently likely to defect from the Lakers to the Rockets. Houston building a team to rival OKC out in the west.

Crazy based on their roster. They’ve got Adams, Sengun, Durant, Smith, Eason all up front where is he going to play?

I figured they’d go after Horford but not at this point.

[Fierce1]

Simons to Milwaukee
Kuzma/asset to Philly
Oubre, Drummnd, Gordon to Boston

Really tough to find a decent Simons trade if and when they decide to get out of the repeater tax situation for the years following.

Can anyone help me out here? Are you in the repeater tax when you are over the tax for 3 of the last 4 years, in which case, to get out of it we would have to dip below the tax for not only this year, but one of the three following as well? So, any way you slice it, we'd have to be a below the tax team in at least one of Tatum's upcoming healthy years too, to escape repeater penalties?

To escape the repeater, Cs can't be over the salary cap by 22% this season and next season.

This season the cap is 155m.
Cs can go over but not exceed 188m.

If the Cs can do that this season and next season, the repeater will be reset.

So yeah, the Cs need this season and next season to do it.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Maybe Amari Williams will be better than Queta.

Celtics have until February deadline to get a Center.

It does not need to be right now.

They actually have until next summer to do so. This year doesn't matter.

[Shak_Celts]

In retrospect, the 08 Celtics were a brilliant piece of roster construction. Three star players, all at very different, highly complementary positions, supported by a mix of young guys who could contribute in the playoffs and a couple of vets.

Have the same amount of rings as the guys we have now.

[Bill Lumbergh]

I think the real problem we're faced with (as we spin and argue about centers and Simons) is that our three best players really preclude us from building a proper team, given their salaries, and the fact that none of them are proper bigs.

Tatum - $58.5M
Brown - $57.1M
White - $30.3M

We're at $145M in 26-27 and jump up to the $157M range in 27-28.

Can you fill out a championship roster with these three as your core?

Look at the salaries for guys like Hartenstein (just to pick an example). A proper center runs you $25M+. And neither Luke nor Al is the longterm answer.

It seems blindingly obvious to me that we cannot keep JT, JB, DW and also add Simons beyond next year (at an absolute minimum of $18M). There's no way you can invest that much in perimeter players.

Which is why I think Simons is toast.

The only exception to that would be if we spin off one of JB or DW for a haul, including a young(ish) big we can slot into the starting lineup for under market salary.

I'm increasingly convinced this is the path, eventually. Whether we like it or not.

I agree with the premise, but the White contract is not bad. You just can't have two supermax players and build out a proper roster. To me, it's the Brown contract that's got to go.

[GoCeltics123]

Simons to the Bucks
Kuz and assets to the Nets
Connaughton to the Celtics

Saves us 18 mil. Saves the Bucks money too and works in the trade machine

[Shak_Celts]

Simons to the Bucks
Kuz and assets to the Nets
Connaughton to the Celtics

Saves us 18 mil. Saves the Bucks money too and works in the trade machine

Why would WE do that? We could just dump him with the Nets and not give Simons to the bucks.

[Hal14]

I could see your point if the centers were actually good — but they’re mediocre at best. Honestly, I’d rather roll with Neemias Queta for a full season than pay Luke Kornet $13 million a year and give up Simons in the process.

Losing a young scorer with upside to overpay Al and Luke makes no sense.

Simons, Sexton, Clarkson, Ivey, Scoot Henderson, Poole, Cam Thomas... What do these guys have in common? Their value comes from high volume scoring. They are all bad to terrible defenders that do very little when they're not scoring. Empty stats guys. They're never feature on a good team.

Least valuable archetype in the league. These guys have almost no trade value around the league yet some people think moving Simons is a sin. If they keep him it's because there are no takers. You'd think that fans of a great team would figure out what impacts winning by now.

Poole is one of the reasons we don’t have two rings, no?

He's a big reason..yup. Without Poole on the Warriors, we would've won the 2022 nba title.

[Bill Lumbergh]

Simons to Milwaukee
Kuzma/asset to Philly
Oubre, Drummnd, Gordon to Boston

Really tough to find a decent Simons trade if and when they decide to get out of the repeater tax situation for the years following.

Can anyone help me out here? Are you in the repeater tax when you are over the tax for 3 of the last 4 years, in which case, to get out of it we would have to dip below the tax for not only this year, but one of the three following as well? So, any way you slice it, we'd have to be a below the tax team in at least one of Tatum's upcoming healthy years too, to escape repeater penalties?

To escape the repeater, Cs can't be over the salary cap by 22% this season and next season.

This season the cap is 155m.
Cs can go over but not exceed 188m.

If the Cs can do that this season and next season, the repeater will be reset.

So yeah, the Cs need this season and next season to do it.

Thanks

[chrisab123]

Simons to Milwaukee
Kuzma/asset to Philly
Oubre, Drummnd, Gordon to Boston

Really tough to find a decent Simons trade if and when they decide to get out of the repeater tax situation for the years following.

Can anyone help me out here? Are you in the repeater tax when you are over the tax for 3 of the last 4 years, in which case, to get out of it we would have to dip below the tax for not only this year, but one of the three following as well? So, any way you slice it, we'd have to be a below the tax team in at least one of Tatum's upcoming healthy years too, to escape repeater penalties?

To escape the repeater, Cs can't be over the salary cap by 22% this season and next season.

This season the cap is 155m.
Cs can go over but not exceed 188m.

If the Cs can do that this season and next season, the repeater will be reset.

So yeah, the Cs need this season and next season to do it.

The only penalties are financial. The 2nd apron is understandable since it restricts movement of players and picks. But the only logic for the repeater is to save ownership money.

[chrisab123]

Simons to the Bucks
Kuz and assets to the Nets
Connaughton to the Celtics

Saves us 18 mil. Saves the Bucks money too and works in the trade machine

Why would WE do that? We could just dump him with the Nets and not give Simons to the bucks.

Because the goal this offseason on this board is to save ownership money.

[jmr07019]

I think the real problem we're faced with (as we spin and argue about centers and Simons) is that our three best players really preclude us from building a proper team, given their salaries, and the fact that none of them are proper bigs.

Tatum - $58.5M
Brown - $57.1M
White - $30.3M

We're at $145M in 26-27 and jump up to the $157M range in 27-28.

Can you fill out a championship roster with these three as your core?

Look at the salaries for guys like Hartenstein (just to pick an example). A proper center runs you $25M+. And neither Luke nor Al is the longterm answer.

It seems blindingly obvious to me that we cannot keep JT, JB, DW and also add Simons beyond next year (at an absolute minimum of $18M). There's no way you can invest that much in perimeter players.

Which is why I think Simons is toast.

The only exception to that would be if we spin off one of JB or DW for a haul, including a young(ish) big we can slot into the starting lineup for under market salary.

I'm increasingly convinced this is the path, eventually. Whether we like it or not.

I agree with the premise, but the White contract is not bad. You just can't have two supermax players and build out a proper roster. To me, it's the Brown contract that's got to go.

We just did have two max guys and won the title.

What do you think OKC will do? Should they trade JDub and Chet if they ask for max contracts?

[Larry_Russell]

I think the real problem we're faced with (as we spin and argue about centers and Simons) is that our three best players really preclude us from building a proper team, given their salaries, and the fact that none of them are proper bigs.

Tatum - $58.5M
Brown - $57.1M
White - $30.3M

We're at $145M in 26-27 and jump up to the $157M range in 27-28.

Can you fill out a championship roster with these three as your core?

Look at the salaries for guys like Hartenstein (just to pick an example). A proper center runs you $25M+. And neither Luke nor Al is the longterm answer.

It seems blindingly obvious to me that we cannot keep JT, JB, DW and also add Simons beyond next year (at an absolute minimum of $18M). There's no way you can invest that much in perimeter players.

Which is why I think Simons is toast.

The only exception to that would be if we spin off one of JB or DW for a haul, including a young(ish) big we can slot into the starting lineup for under market salary.

I'm increasingly convinced this is the path, eventually. Whether we like it or not.

I agree with the premise, but the White contract is not bad. You just can't have two supermax players and build out a proper roster. To me, it's the Brown contract that's got to go.

We just did have two max guys and won the title.

What do you think OKC will do? Should they trade JDub and Chet if they ask for max contracts?

And now we can't do it anymore. We were almost sort of grandfathered into being able to do that.

[GoCeltics123]

Simons to the Bucks
Kuz and assets to the Nets
Connaughton to the Celtics

Saves us 18 mil. Saves the Bucks money too and works in the trade machine

Why would WE do that? We could just dump him with the Nets and not give Simons to the bucks.

Because the goal this offseason on this board is to save ownership money.

I mean, Himmelsbach and Jay King literally said they're prefer to duck the tax this year. This isn't our idea to trade him, it's ownership.

Also trading him to the Nets would cost us assets, and I don't want to dump assets to move Simons. Niang sure

[Bill Lumbergh]

I think the real problem we're faced with (as we spin and argue about centers and Simons) is that our three best players really preclude us from building a proper team, given their salaries, and the fact that none of them are proper bigs.

Tatum - $58.5M
Brown - $57.1M
White - $30.3M

We're at $145M in 26-27 and jump up to the $157M range in 27-28.

Can you fill out a championship roster with these three as your core?

Look at the salaries for guys like Hartenstein (just to pick an example). A proper center runs you $25M+. And neither Luke nor Al is the longterm answer.

It seems blindingly obvious to me that we cannot keep JT, JB, DW and also add Simons beyond next year (at an absolute minimum of $18M). There's no way you can invest that much in perimeter players.

Which is why I think Simons is toast.

The only exception to that would be if we spin off one of JB or DW for a haul, including a young(ish) big we can slot into the starting lineup for under market salary.

I'm increasingly convinced this is the path, eventually. Whether we like it or not.

I agree with the premise, but the White contract is not bad. You just can't have two supermax players and build out a proper roster. To me, it's the Brown contract that's got to go.

We just did have two max guys and won the title.

What do you think OKC will do? Should they trade JDub and Chet if they ask for max contracts?

You can only do it for a year or two, then the various penalties become too punitive to fill out a decent roster. Hence, all this salary cutting. Our two years are up.

[GoCeltics123]

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I'm down with giving Emoni Bates a try. UFA. Bring him in, start him, and see what he can be.