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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

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Post#902 » by TheProfessor » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:25 pm

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MEDIC wrote:After seeing what the Magic gave up for Bane, it looks like Masai completely stole Ingram from the Pels.

One was an expiring, the other has 4 years on his deal. This isn't a complex concept.


Well......the Raptors have him under contract for 2 more years. There was a pre-arranged agreement.

I take the BI deal.10/10 times.


Just because 1 deal was bad, doesn't mean the other deal was good. Bane is a significantly better player than Ingram. Locked up longer on a better contract by virtue of being a better player. Bane averaged a ts% of 60% over his career, Ingram has never done that in his career. Bane on average is a 3bpm player, Ingram has never been above 2.2bpm. Before you say, Well Ingram has a different role etc etc. Ingram has had opportunities to play with and without Zion and failed to provide meaningful positive impact. Where as, Bane has been a constant positive impact with or without Ja's Twitter fingers.
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Post#903 » by TimeForChange » Sat Jun 28, 2025 4:26 pm

Is he allowed to work out and scrimmage yet?
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Post#904 » by whitehops » Sat Jun 28, 2025 5:52 pm

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MEDIC wrote:Well......the Raptors have him under contract for 2 more years. There was a pre-arranged agreement.

I take the BI deal.10/10 times.


Just because 1 deal was bad, doesn't mean the other deal was good. Bane is a significantly better player than Ingram. Locked up longer on a better contract by virtue of being a better player. Bane averaged a ts% of 60% over his career, Ingram has never done that in his career. Bane on average is a 3bpm player, Ingram has never been above 2.2bpm. Before you say, Well Ingram has a different role etc etc. Ingram has had opportunities to play with and without Zion and failed to provide meaningful positive impact. Where as, Bane has been a constant positive impact with or without Ja's Twitter fingers.


i will say ingram shoots a lot of mid range shots, which affects his TS%. it's still a very valuable tool to have in late clock situations, when plays break down or in iso situations. it's especially useful in the playoffs and he's one of the best mid range guys in the league.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#905 » by Duffman100 » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:06 pm

TimeForChange wrote:Is he allowed to work out and scrimmage yet?


This is my main concern. How is his rehab doing after his totally fine, nothing to see here injection.
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Post#906 » by OakleyDokely » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:17 pm

Ingram is a bucket. He's had a usage rate over 27 in 6 straights seasons, and he's been over 30 twice. While his efficiency isn't the greatest, it's acceptable given how many tough shots he takes, how much the offense flows through him and how he usually has the top defensive wing guarding him.

Like Siakam, he's also developed into a very good playmaker over the years. He's been in the 5-6 assist range over the last few seasons, so he should work well within Darko's system.

If we can get 60+ games out of him while running lot of the offense through him on average-ish efficiency, the offense should be a lot better than it was running it through Scottie.
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Post#907 » by djsunyc » Sat Jun 28, 2025 6:35 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:Ingram is a bucket. He's had a usage rate over 27 in 6 straights seasons, and he's been over 30 twice. While his efficiency isn't the greatest, it's acceptable given how many tough shots he takes, how much the offense flows through him and how he usually has the top defensive wing guarding him.

Like Siakam, he's also developed into a very good playmaker over the years. He's been in the 5-6 assist range over the last few seasons, so he should work well within Darko's system.

If we can get 60+ games out of him while running lot of the offense through him on average-ish efficiency, the offense should be a lot better than it was running it through Scottie.


i really like darko's offense. i think he's going to find much easier shots for ingram which should help with efficiency.

i do think it may become a bit of the iso-ingram show in crunchtime now that we have this type of shotmaker.
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Post#910 » by Scase » Mon Jun 30, 2025 4:35 pm

TimeForChange wrote:Is he allowed to work out and scrimmage yet?


Dudes been out for 6-7mo now and not a peep about him being on the court for more than non contact, low energy shooting practice. Hopefully we see/hear something soon, cause that is a long ass time to be out from an ankle sprain.
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Post#911 » by Duffman100 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 4:40 pm

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TimeForChange wrote:Is he allowed to work out and scrimmage yet?


Dudes been out for 6-7mo now and not a peep about him being on the court for more than non contact, low energy shooting practice. Hopefully we see/hear something soon, cause that is a long ass time to be out from an ankle sprain.


yeah even as an eternal optimist, this scares me.
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Post#912 » by JShuttlesworth » Mon Jun 30, 2025 4:47 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
TimeForChange wrote:Is he allowed to work out and scrimmage yet?


This is my main concern. How is his rehab doing after his totally fine, nothing to see here injection.


Meh, as someone who has had a lot of ankle injuries, swelling can linger for so long and it can come and go. But he has been sitting for a while now (since December), I would imagine he's fine for the start of the season

Don't expect Ingram to be healthy though, he's never healthy, I find it difficult to believe this year will be the exception

You've got to pencil him in to miss 15-20 games minimum before the season starts
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#913 » by tsherkin » Mon Jun 30, 2025 5:02 pm

Duffman100 wrote:
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TimeForChange wrote:Is he allowed to work out and scrimmage yet?


Dudes been out for 6-7mo now and not a peep about him being on the court for more than non contact, low energy shooting practice. Hopefully we see/hear something soon, cause that is a long ass time to be out from an ankle sprain.


yeah even as an eternal optimist, this scares me.


I mean, I think we're all basically only counting on him for 60 games anyway, and will call that a good turnout.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#914 » by Duffman100 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 5:03 pm

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Dudes been out for 6-7mo now and not a peep about him being on the court for more than non contact, low energy shooting practice. Hopefully we see/hear something soon, cause that is a long ass time to be out from an ankle sprain.


yeah even as an eternal optimist, this scares me.


I mean, I think we're all basically only counting on him for 60 games anyway, and will call that a good turnout.


100%. 60 games is a good season.

I'm concerned we're going to get to camp or preseason and we're still hearing "he's ramping up".
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Post#915 » by tsherkin » Mon Jun 30, 2025 5:09 pm

Duffman100 wrote:I'm concerned we're going to get to camp or preseason and we're still hearing "he's ramping up".


Such was always the risk with BI.

Now, for Bruce Brown, KO and that 2026 1st, it's a worthy gamble, but there was always the risk that he was going to be troublesome.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#916 » by Scase » Mon Jun 30, 2025 6:17 pm

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yeah even as an eternal optimist, this scares me.


I mean, I think we're all basically only counting on him for 60 games anyway, and will call that a good turnout.


100%. 60 games is a good season.

I'm concerned we're going to get to camp or preseason and we're still hearing "he's ramping up".

This is where I'm at, my bar for good season is higher though, anything less than 65 games is a failure IMO. He's been out for ages, and everyone always wants to talk about how great our medical staff is, so 60 games to me would be abject failure.
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Post#917 » by tsherkin » Mon Jun 30, 2025 6:30 pm

Scase wrote:This is where I'm at, my bar for good season is higher though, anything less than 65 games is a failure IMO. He's been out for ages, and everyone always wants to talk about how great our medical staff is, so 60 games to me would be abject failure.


Honestly, that just feels unrealistic. He hasn't played more than 64 games since his rookie season, and our medical staff isn't populated by sorcerers wielding dark powers fueled by nightmarish entities from unknowable worlds beyond the edge of reason.

He's probably going to be injured again. "Abject failure" just sounds like you're setting yourself up for disappointment so you can be angry that the medical staff isn't as good as you think people are saying.

Tor_Raps wrote:Again, I didnt say that was the ONLY reason but it was a massive part of the problem.


Right, I caught that, but it really wasn't. It was literally health which was the clear and primary driver of the issue.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#918 » by Scase » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:09 pm

tsherkin wrote:
Scase wrote:This is where I'm at, my bar for good season is higher though, anything less than 65 games is a failure IMO. He's been out for ages, and everyone always wants to talk about how great our medical staff is, so 60 games to me would be abject failure.


Honestly, that just feels unrealistic. He hasn't played more than 64 games since his rookie season, and our medical staff isn't populated by sorcerers wielding dark powers fueled by nightmarish entities from unknowable worlds beyond the edge of reason.

He's probably going to be injured again. "Abject failure" just sounds like you're setting yourself up for disappointment so you can be angry that the medical staff isn't as good as you think people are saying.

Tor_Raps wrote:Again, I didnt say that was the ONLY reason but it was a massive part of the problem.


Right, I caught that, but it really wasn't. It was literally health which was the clear and primary driver of the issue.

Well the whole point of buying low on him was to "rehabilitate" his value, if all we are expecting is the bare minimum of games played, then why did we bother making such a short sighted move? What's to rehabilitate if he plays the exact same way he did prior to the trade?

I don't buy all the people who call our medical staff exceptional, so if he plays 60 or less games I won't be bothered by them, but rather again with the pointlessness of the trade.

But if a guy can be off for almost an entire year, and still cant manage to play at LEAST 65 games, I don't see how that isn't a complete and utter failure. Like he doesn't have any chronic issues like Kawhi did with his knees, there's no logical reason he can't play a reasonable amount of games.
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Post#919 » by PushDaRock » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:15 pm

Scase wrote:
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Scase wrote:This is where I'm at, my bar for good season is higher though, anything less than 65 games is a failure IMO. He's been out for ages, and everyone always wants to talk about how great our medical staff is, so 60 games to me would be abject failure.


Honestly, that just feels unrealistic. He hasn't played more than 64 games since his rookie season, and our medical staff isn't populated by sorcerers wielding dark powers fueled by nightmarish entities from unknowable worlds beyond the edge of reason.

He's probably going to be injured again. "Abject failure" just sounds like you're setting yourself up for disappointment so you can be angry that the medical staff isn't as good as you think people are saying.

Tor_Raps wrote:Again, I didnt say that was the ONLY reason but it was a massive part of the problem.


Right, I caught that, but it really wasn't. It was literally health which was the clear and primary driver of the issue.

Well the whole point of buying low on him was to "rehabilitate" his value, if all we are expecting is the bare minimum of games played, then why did we bother making such a short sighted move? What's to rehabilitate if he plays the exact same way he did prior to the trade?

I don't buy all the people who call our medical staff exceptional, so if he plays 60 or less games I won't be bothered by them, but rather again with the pointlessness of the trade.

But if a guy can be off for almost an entire year, and still cant manage to play at LEAST 65 games, I don't see how that isn't a complete and utter failure. Like he doesn't have any chronic issues like Kawhi did with his knees, there's no logical reason he can't play a reasonable amount of games.


If he has a career year in averages and efficiency but "only" plays 60 games, seems a bit ridiculous to call that a failure.
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Re: Official Brandon Ingram Thread 

Post#920 » by tsherkin » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:16 pm

Scase wrote:Well the whole point of buying low on him was to "rehabilitate" his value, if all we are expecting is the bare minimum of games played, then why did we bother making such a short sighted move? What's to rehabilitate if he plays the exact same way he did prior to the trade?


I think the expectation is that he'll play more than the 45-55 he's been playing of late, and be more like 60-65.

I don't buy all the people who call our medical staff exceptional, so if he plays 60 or less games I won't be bothered by them, but rather again with the pointlessness of the trade.


I think it was a value trade. We gave up very little for him, all told, so the weight of it isn't a big deal.

But if a guy can be off for almost an entire year, and still cant manage to play at LEAST 65 games, I don't see how that isn't a complete and utter failure. Like he doesn't have any chronic issues like Kawhi did with his knees, there's no logical reason he can't play a reasonable amount of games.


That's one perspective. Given the nature of many of his injuries, however, there is a luck component to consider as well. And the time frame matters only so much in this context, especially since he isn't perpetually injuring the same part endlessly.

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