Official 2025 Offseason Thread

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I’m kind of hoping for Tyus just for the simple fact that it means people can’t make excuses for Mosely anymore being unable to draw up plays when he has a top 3 a/to point guard.

[SOUL]

I’m kind of hoping for Tyus just for the simple fact that it means people can’t make excuses for Mosely anymore being unable to draw up plays when he has a top 3 a/to point guard.

There absolutely should be new expectations on Mose and the coaching staff this year, especially on offense. As Knightro even said in our pod, he got lower on him because of the drop in defensive intensity for a month or so there... but the offense is/was capped outside of some theoretical things fans think will just work because it's what fans do.

But detractors can't have it both ways arguing about us having zero point guards, massive injuries to our top four scorers, and horrendous shooting from a bunch of non-shooters and think there was some magic formula every coach on the team AND the players couldn't concoct to make it easier for them and the team. Ime Udoka got the same talking points last year and it's not because he's stupid lol, the personnel and expectation on offense is higher for him as well this year.

[basketballRob]

Some of the offensive woes are because of the system. We just don't pass the ball ahead and take the first open shot.

[tiderulz]

You can’t really ask for better given Orlando’s situation than Tyus Jones.

Orlando needs playmaking, shooting and efficiency. Tyus provides that at an ELITE level.

It’s funny everyone calling him short and not a defender.

Here’s a fun stat, Tyus per bball index was statistically a better defender AND offensive player than both Collin Sexton AND the beloved Anfernee Simons. Hes still a negative defender, but keep that same energy you had for Sexton/Simons with Jones.

Also, it’s almost a picture perfect fit surrounding Tyus with + defenders in Black/Isaac/Goga.

I much much rather Tyus + Mo than just NAW or Jerome at the full MLE.

honestly, i would rather go after Tre Mann. bigger guard, still good 3 pt shooter.

[magicfan217]

Seems like Tre Mann should have been picked up? He's not worth 1 year and 6 million?

[Idiosyncratic]

The value of these non-defending guards who offer nothing but scoring has cratered this offseason. Hornets not even willing to risk having Tre Mann for 7 million. Obviously he makes no sense with Sexton (who they were paid an asset to acquire!), but to even think they can't swap him for something positive at 7 million is wild. GMs just got together and said why do we keep paying these guys to negatively impact winning I guess

That being said I kind of like Mann. Was finally getting his first real chance last year and looked solid before the injury. Has shown some rebounding ability and ability to get steals in the past so not sure he is strictly a "scoring only guard", but probably mostly is. Him vs Tyus would be an interesting debate if they both cost 5-7 million. I think this team is really going to want a true PG for insurance though, which Tre isn't.

[DiplomaticMagic]

Lets get Tre Mann!!!

[JoshuaPotter]

I’m kind of hoping for Tyus just for the simple fact that it means people can’t make excuses for Mosely anymore being unable to draw up plays when he has a top 3 a/to point guard.

There absolutely should be new expectations on Mose and the coaching staff this year, especially on offense. As Knightro even said in our pod, he got lower on him because of the drop in defensive intensity for a month or so there... but the offense is/was capped outside of some theoretical things fans think will just work because it's what fans do.

But detractors can't have it both ways arguing about us having zero point guards, massive injuries to our top four scorers, and horrendous shooting from a bunch of non-shooters and think there was some magic formula every coach on the team AND the players couldn't concoct to make it easier for them and the team. Ime Udoka got the same talking points last year and it's not because he's stupid lol, the personnel and expectation on offense is higher for him as well this year.

Mose has been the weakest link the moment we discovered Paolo + Franz + anything that resembles an NBA pointguard is a 500 team. As of now, he has a ton of shiny offensive toys, now its up to his leadership and coaching ability to get them to gel on the offense and turn around this putrank stank of an offense.

Also if anyone can find a way to fix Franz + Paolo 3-ball please do. I have legit concerns that long term it won't work out because of this.

[magicfan217]

I still prefer Tyus Jones to Tre Mann I think. Not sure why he wasn't picked up for that number...and if we strike out on Jones, Mann would be a worthwhile gamble...but Jones offers more stability for the role we are trying to fill.

[SOUL]

Mose has been the weakest link the moment we discovered Paolo + Franz + anything that resembles an NBA pointguard is a 500 team. As of now, he has a ton of shiny offensive toys, now its up to his leadership and coaching ability to get them to gel on the offense and turn around this putrank stank of an offense.

Also if anyone can find a way to fix Franz + Paolo 3-ball please do. I have legit concerns that long term it won't work out because of this.

I would, in fact, argue that the weakest link would be the FO that did not make any trades or free agency moves of value for about 4 years while our coach brought us structure and a defined style of play to help us get to the playoffs for the first time in forever.

Fans are always going to blame coaches first. I realize that. If Nurse, Malone, Budenholzer, Bickerstaff, Thibs, Snyder, etc, can have fingers pointed at them as the "issue", so can Mose. But history often shows replacements are worse or fans are just flat out wrong and want change at the easiest level because players are the golden goose.

That being said, we have a legit reputation as a team now, have been a consistent top 2-3 team on defense (which is hard to get young guys to buy into), and have had relative success in the last two years compared to a decade plus of incompetence, and that's with massive amounts of injury and roster imbalance. It ain't perfect, but he's helped put us in a great spot compared to a lot of teams in the league.

[SOUL]

I still prefer Tyus Jones to Tre Mann I think. Not sure why he wasn't picked up for that number...and if we strike out on Jones, Mann would be a worthwhile gamble...but Jones offers more stability for the role we are trying to fill.

Back injuries scare me.

[Magic_Johnny12]

You can’t really ask for better given Orlando’s situation than Tyus Jones.

Orlando needs playmaking, shooting and efficiency. Tyus provides that at an ELITE level.

It’s funny everyone calling him short and not a defender.

Here’s a fun stat, Tyus per bball index was statistically a better defender AND offensive player than both Collin Sexton AND the beloved Anfernee Simons. Hes still a negative defender, but keep that same energy you had for Sexton/Simons with Jones.

Also, it’s almost a picture perfect fit surrounding Tyus with + defenders in Black/Isaac/Goga.

I much much rather Tyus + Mo than just NAW or Jerome at the full MLE.

honestly, i would rather go after Tre Mann. bigger guard, still good 3 pt shooter.

Bigger but equally a poor defender and not nearly on the same caliber offensively. Both are solid options and what Tre got going for him is age/youth/upside.

I rather the better older player now given our situation.

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[bigdogdylan5]

I am worried I am getting my hopes up on Tyus Jones. The more I dig into his numbers the more I just feel like he is the perfect last piece to the puzzle. A guy who can stabilize our second unit offensively and also help out when we stagger Paolo and Franz. He is also a very good insurance if/when Suggs or Bane goes down for 10-20 days and can start for us to keep us afloat. The shooting is also a huge plus. I love Mo I think we all like Mo but I think Tyus would be more valuable to us. I hope we get to have them both.

[Def Swami]

I am worried I am getting my hopes up on Tyus Jones. The more I dig into his numbers the more I just feel like he is the perfect last piece to the puzzle. A guy who can stabilize our second unit offensively and also help out when we stagger Paolo and Franz. He is also a very good insurance if/when Suggs or Bane goes down for 10-20 days and can start for us to keep us afloat. The shooting is also a huge plus. I love Mo I think we all like Mo but I think Tyus would be more valuable to us. I hope we get to have them both.

Huge appeal in my eyes given the inevitability of this over an 82 game regular season.

[tiderulz]

You can’t really ask for better given Orlando’s situation than Tyus Jones.

Orlando needs playmaking, shooting and efficiency. Tyus provides that at an ELITE level.

It’s funny everyone calling him short and not a defender.

Here’s a fun stat, Tyus per bball index was statistically a better defender AND offensive player than both Collin Sexton AND the beloved Anfernee Simons. Hes still a negative defender, but keep that same energy you had for Sexton/Simons with Jones.

Also, it’s almost a picture perfect fit surrounding Tyus with + defenders in Black/Isaac/Goga.

I much much rather Tyus + Mo than just NAW or Jerome at the full MLE.

honestly, i would rather go after Tre Mann. bigger guard, still good 3 pt shooter.

Bigger but equally a poor defender and not nearly on the same caliber offensively. Both are solid options and what Tre got going for him is age/youth/upside.

I rather the better older player now given our situation.

1 - is he better? they have been about the same the past 2 years. also bigger and i would say equally caliber offensively.

[OrlChamps2030]

You can’t really ask for better given Orlando’s situation than Tyus Jones.

Orlando needs playmaking, shooting and efficiency. Tyus provides that at an ELITE level.

It’s funny everyone calling him short and not a defender.

Here’s a fun stat, Tyus per bball index was statistically a better defender AND offensive player than both Collin Sexton AND the beloved Anfernee Simons. Hes still a negative defender, but keep that same energy you had for Sexton/Simons with Jones.

Also, it’s almost a picture perfect fit surrounding Tyus with + defenders in Black/Isaac/Goga.

I much much rather Tyus + Mo than just NAW or Jerome at the full MLE.

honestly, i would rather go after Tre Mann. bigger guard, still good 3 pt shooter.

Mann is perpetually injured and would just be another non-playmaker though? Completely different player from Tyus

Tyus would fit a major need on this team imo (playmaking, health, consistency)

[Magic_Johnny12]

honestly, i would rather go after Tre Mann. bigger guard, still good 3 pt shooter.

Bigger but equally a poor defender and not nearly on the same caliber offensively. Both are solid options and what Tre got going for him is age/youth/upside.

I rather the better older player now given our situation.

1 - is he better? they have been about the same the past 2 years. also bigger and i would say equally caliber offensively.

Per bball index (O-LEBRON) Tyus was the much better *overall offensive player last season.

Defensively they were both heavy negatives.

Actually, Tre Mann has never had a positive offensive season.

Tyus has never had a negative offensive season his entire career with several different teams which is telling.

[tiderulz]

You can’t really ask for better given Orlando’s situation than Tyus Jones.

Orlando needs playmaking, shooting and efficiency. Tyus provides that at an ELITE level.

It’s funny everyone calling him short and not a defender.

Here’s a fun stat, Tyus per bball index was statistically a better defender AND offensive player than both Collin Sexton AND the beloved Anfernee Simons. Hes still a negative defender, but keep that same energy you had for Sexton/Simons with Jones.

Also, it’s almost a picture perfect fit surrounding Tyus with + defenders in Black/Isaac/Goga.

I much much rather Tyus + Mo than just NAW or Jerome at the full MLE.

honestly, i would rather go after Tre Mann. bigger guard, still good 3 pt shooter.

Mann is perpetually injured and would just be another non-playmaker though? Completely different player from Tyus

Tyus would fit a major need on this team imo (playmaking, health, consistency)

this whole idea of Tyus being this "playmaking" guard, he had 1 year of 7 apg, otherwise he has been around 4-5 apg. as a PG, i would hope he could accomplish that.

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honestly, i would rather go after Tre Mann. bigger guard, still good 3 pt shooter.

Mann is perpetually injured and would just be another non-playmaker though? Completely different player from Tyus

Tyus would fit a major need on this team imo (playmaking, health, consistency)

this whole idea of Tyus being this "playmaking" guard, he had 1 year of 7 apg, otherwise he has been around 4-5 apg. as a PG, i would hope he could accomplish that.

So the year he started 66 games as opposed to the 8 seasons prior where he started a combined 90 games total he managed to get 7.3 assists per game?

That’s very telling to be honest.

We really need a calming presence in the backcourt somewhere on this team that just doesn’t turn the ball over very much. Availability is also a need. Hes often able to play most of a season.

I can buy people not liking him for being not ideal defensively. Orlando has 4 one way players off the bench that provide nothing but defense.