Warriors exploring S&T for Kuminga

[bay2hk]

Ah, my bad. Misread and started ranting. LOL Thanks!
Now that I understand the original post, I will say that if they are thinking of reasonably having JK in the locker room (even if just till the trade deadline) they should be careful not to alienate him. If pulling it is not a negotiation strategy and instead a real desire to move on, then its fine. They have only a few more years of Steph left. Steph has already wasted a few years by getting injured, Draymond a few years by choking and punching, and last thing they need is another distraction. I think a better tactic would be to pay him more than he can get in the market (as long as it doesn't put us into the 2nd apron) and leaving the offer there for him. If he's in the locker room I think they'd want a determined JK, not a pissed off / pouting JK. Never know what effect contract negotiations will have on him.

My old employer played hardball with me in salary negotiations and I eventually left cause... "f them". At least they got a few more months of production from me at that lower rate. Course now they struggling trying to find a replacement to do 4 ppl's job for that rate.

We are way past the point of catering to JK’s feelings. It’s time for him to realize the situation he’s in and do what’s best for him. It’s like losing a ton of money on one stock in the market. The question is if you still want to keep that stock and hope it rebounds, or sell it for above what the market is willing to pay.

Commend JK for believing in himself and foregoing Warriors extension last offseason. The gamble didn’t work out, and now he has to decide if he wants to climb out of or dig a deeper hole due to his ego.

Hopefully he gets good advice this offseason because the warriors are not going to S&T him unless we get a substantial return. This is a business and not a charity.

[azwfan]

Ah, my bad. Misread and started ranting. LOL Thanks!
Now that I understand the original post, I will say that if they are thinking of reasonably having JK in the locker room (even if just till the trade deadline) they should be careful not to alienate him. If pulling it is not a negotiation strategy and instead a real desire to move on, then its fine. They have only a few more years of Steph left. Steph has already wasted a few years by getting injured, Draymond a few years by choking and punching, and last thing they need is another distraction. I think a better tactic would be to pay him more than he can get in the market (as long as it doesn't put us into the 2nd apron) and leaving the offer there for him. If he's in the locker room I think they'd want a determined JK, not a pissed off / pouting JK. Never know what effect contract negotiations will have on him.

My old employer played hardball with me in salary negotiations and I eventually left cause... "f them". At least they got a few more months of production from me at that lower rate. Course now they struggling trying to find a replacement to do 4 ppl's job for that rate.

We are way past the point of catering to JK’s feelings. It’s time for him to realize the situation he’s in and do what’s best for him. It’s like losing a ton of money on one stock in the market. The question is if you still want to keep that stock and hope it rebounds, or sell it for above what the market is willing to pay.

Commend JK for believing in himself and foregoing Warriors extension last offseason. The gamble didn’t work out, and now he has to decide if he wants to climb out of or dig a deeper hole due to his ego.

Hopefully he gets good advice this offseason because the warriors are not going to S&T him unless we get a substantial return. This is a business and not a charity.

All im saying is dont cut off your nose in spite of your face. The offer to JK probably shouldnt get pulled unless theres a viable alternative ready to accept another offer… which would be limited to the MLE in our case. If the Warriors dont s&t him, but want to retain him, they cant use the MLE. If they want to s&t him, they cant use the full mle.

The only scenario where its a good decision to pull an offer to JK is if they have someone agreeing to sign for most of the MLE who they couldnt sign with the tpmle. And from my perspective, that person(s) better be better than JK.

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

It is amazing how much people have to say around this guy. He will be the guy talking about how he needs money for all his kids on his next contract. That one will be delusional as well as all the other times he has releases in the media... I really don't think there is much to discuss really. Its a wait and see how little they get from yet another distressed asset because owner fell in love with a pick. He is not part of the future he is a tradable asset they mishandled. AGAIN...

You cant engage in negotiations when the other party is off there rocker. Its not in good faith the way his side is operating. He looks soft in the head. The org will do the move that is in the best interest in the club. A season or two late.

[wco81]

He's got kids at age 22?

[e83pw2oa9hl5f]

oh he has a handful. had to sell his diamond earnings and lambo from first rookie contract check, to feed them this long. he needs bigger checks... hard times.

Seriously, I don't know. I just think he makes really poor decisions. Like real bad. And think a lot of us have memories of players who made poor life choices, saying such things on their final contracts. My perception is that his statements seem really out of line reality, and if a negotiation tactic, acting crazy isnt a good one. I lost interest in him a long time ago. Hope we can get some rotational pieces, instead of all these situational players, that if you squint real hard, you might see something. This guy is not suddenly going to have that fixed. Seems like an unhealthy ego, for someone of his limited brains.

What I do know, this locab falling in love with picks seems like a thing. As does the friends and family discounts. Probably trade JK for Wiggins( child of former player) draft rights.

[bay2hk]

Ah, my bad. Misread and started ranting. LOL Thanks!
Now that I understand the original post, I will say that if they are thinking of reasonably having JK in the locker room (even if just till the trade deadline) they should be careful not to alienate him. If pulling it is not a negotiation strategy and instead a real desire to move on, then its fine. They have only a few more years of Steph left. Steph has already wasted a few years by getting injured, Draymond a few years by choking and punching, and last thing they need is another distraction. I think a better tactic would be to pay him more than he can get in the market (as long as it doesn't put us into the 2nd apron) and leaving the offer there for him. If he's in the locker room I think they'd want a determined JK, not a pissed off / pouting JK. Never know what effect contract negotiations will have on him.

My old employer played hardball with me in salary negotiations and I eventually left cause... "f them". At least they got a few more months of production from me at that lower rate. Course now they struggling trying to find a replacement to do 4 ppl's job for that rate.

We are way past the point of catering to JK’s feelings. It’s time for him to realize the situation he’s in and do what’s best for him. It’s like losing a ton of money on one stock in the market. The question is if you still want to keep that stock and hope it rebounds, or sell it for above what the market is willing to pay.

Commend JK for believing in himself and foregoing Warriors extension last offseason. The gamble didn’t work out, and now he has to decide if he wants to climb out of or dig a deeper hole due to his ego.

Hopefully he gets good advice this offseason because the warriors are not going to S&T him unless we get a substantial return. This is a business and not a charity.

All im saying is dont cut off your nose in spite of your face. The offer to JK probably shouldnt get pulled unless theres a viable alternative ready to accept another offer… which would be limited to the MLE in our case. If the Warriors dont s&t him, but want to retain him, they cant use the MLE. If they want to s&t him, they cant use the full mle.

The only scenario where its a good decision to pull an offer to JK is if they have someone agreeing to sign for most of the MLE who they couldnt sign with the tpmle. And from my perspective, that person(s) better be better than JK.

Warriors don’t have to do anything that doesn’t benefit them. Let JK decide if he wants to sign for the $8m QO or sign with someone else. No one is paying him more than what we can offer.

[Ilovethebay]

Poor JK taking strays for trying to get as much as he can. I hope he gets the 30 million contract he wants. I still see him being a big part of this teams future. Hopefully we bring Draymond off the bench and start JK so we can stop having to play 4 guys on offense against 5. With a new contract his efficiency will go up. I think his efficiency will be more in line with his first 3 years than last years.

[azwfan]

We are way past the point of catering to JK’s feelings. It’s time for him to realize the situation he’s in and do what’s best for him. It’s like losing a ton of money on one stock in the market. The question is if you still want to keep that stock and hope it rebounds, or sell it for above what the market is willing to pay.

Commend JK for believing in himself and foregoing Warriors extension last offseason. The gamble didn’t work out, and now he has to decide if he wants to climb out of or dig a deeper hole due to his ego.

Hopefully he gets good advice this offseason because the warriors are not going to S&T him unless we get a substantial return. This is a business and not a charity.

All im saying is dont cut off your nose in spite of your face. The offer to JK probably shouldnt get pulled unless theres a viable alternative ready to accept another offer… which would be limited to the MLE in our case. If the Warriors dont s&t him, but want to retain him, they cant use the MLE. If they want to s&t him, they cant use the full mle.

The only scenario where its a good decision to pull an offer to JK is if they have someone agreeing to sign for most of the MLE who they couldnt sign with the tpmle. And from my perspective, that person(s) better be better than JK.

Warriors don’t have to do anything that doesn’t benefit them. Let JK decide if he wants to sign for the $8m QO or sign with someone else. No one is paying him more than what we can offer.

Yeah, but they SHOULD do things that benefit them. Pulling an offer for JK and bringing in another Hield/slomo combo or S&T him for some other teams scraps does not benefit the warriors in my view. Signing Jk for 20m per year whether he signs before or after July 6th DOES benefit the Warriors… and in my view benefits them more than those other options. And if hes gonna be in the locker room it DOES benefit the Warriors if he isnt thinking they jerked him around.

[azwfan]

oh he has a handful. had to sell his diamond earnings and lambo from first rookie contract check, to feed them this long. he needs bigger checks... hard times.

Seriously, I don't know. I just think he makes really poor decisions. Like real bad. And think a lot of us have memories of players who made poor life choices, saying such things on their final contracts. My perception is that his statements seem really out of line reality, and if a negotiation tactic, acting crazy isnt a good one. I lost interest in him a long time ago. Hope we can get some rotational pieces, instead of all these situational players, that if you squint real hard, you might see something. This guy is not suddenly going to have that fixed. Seems like an unhealthy ego, for someone of his limited brains.

What I do know, this locab falling in love with picks seems like a thing. As does the friends and family discounts. Probably trade JK for Wiggins( child of former player) draft rights.

What the heck? I mustve missed a bunch of stuff. What did he say?

[SpreeS]

1. What kind of quality is Kuminga agent, if his best two clients are Rozier and Tre Mann? Why didnt Kuminga fire him this summer before free agency?
2. I don't blame him for last couple interviews. Kuminga is young and not matured, angry for bad situation and doesn't have right support from his agent or family.
3. Curry didnt want to be drafted by GSW, Kobe didnt want to be picked by Hornets. Kuminga doesnt want to play for Kerr...It happens often, sometimes it pans out sometimes doesn't. We will see...

I could say one thing, where isn't one side fault. The truth is somewhere in the middle as always. Kuminga and Kerr both could had done better jobs in last 4 years.

[vvoland]

It is amazing how much people have to say around this guy. He will be the guy talking about how he needs money for all his kids on his next contract. That one will be delusional as well as all the other times he has releases in the media... I really don't think there is much to discuss really. Its a wait and see how little they get from yet another distressed asset because owner fell in love with a pick. He is not part of the future he is a tradable asset they mishandled. AGAIN...

You cant engage in negotiations when the other party is off there rocker. Its not in good faith the way his side is operating. He looks soft in the head. The org will do the move that is in the best interest in the club. A season or two late.

The tropes you're falling into with these comments do you no favors.

[vvoland]

oh he has a handful. had to sell his diamond earnings and lambo from first rookie contract check, to feed them this long. he needs bigger checks... hard times.

Seriously, I don't know. I just think he makes really poor decisions. Like real bad. And think a lot of us have memories of players who made poor life choices, saying such things on their final contracts. My perception is that his statements seem really out of line reality, and if a negotiation tactic, acting crazy isnt a good one. I lost interest in him a long time ago. Hope we can get some rotational pieces, instead of all these situational players, that if you squint real hard, you might see something. This guy is not suddenly going to have that fixed. Seems like an unhealthy ego, for someone of his limited brains.

What I do know, this locab falling in love with picks seems like a thing. As does the friends and family discounts. Probably trade JK for Wiggins( child of former player) draft rights.

I see you doubled down. nice.

[Old_Blue]

He (Kuminga) will be the guy talking about how he needs money for all his kids on his next contract.

The tropes you're falling into with these comments do you no favors.

You know who REALLY needs money to pay for all his kids? Elon Musk. Fourteen kids by four different women (that we're aware of). And, that doesn't even count the notches he likely added to his belt at various sperm banks around the world. That crazy bastard would plant his seed in your front lawn if he thought it was fertile ground for his spawn. So, yeah Bayside, if we're now making sweeping statements based on racial stereotypes, it's actually the white billionaire class enthralled by the thought of their own biological legacy who really "need money for all their kids." Thankfully, today Congress is voting to make that much easier.

[EvanZ]

I can't wait until we're done with this kid. It's like Monta but much less important lol.

[vvoland]

I can't wait until we're done with this kid. It's like Monta but much less important lol.

I'm pretty sure we'll watch him through Feb, at least. I liked Monta, though to be fair to my bball taste, we didn't have much else to like at the time. Unlike Monta, however, JK is a two-way player, if an inconsistent one, at that. For one, I would like to see him with a decent contract and some runway to gel w/ steph/dray/jimmy but I do think it'll be best for JK to go elsewhere. From the GSW perspective, we're unlikely to get a player that talented back so it'll be a downgrade, almost by definition.

[Old_Blue]

I can't wait until we're done with this kid. It's like Monta but much less important lol.

I'm pretty sure we'll watch him through Feb, at least. I liked Monta, though to be fair to my bball taste, we didn't have much else to like at the time. Unlike Monta, however, JK is a two-way player, if an inconsistent one, at that. For one, I would like to see him with a decent contract and some runway to gel w/ steph/dray/jimmy but I do think it'll be best for JK to go elsewhere. From the GSW perspective, we're unlikely to get a player that talented back so it'll be a downgrade, almost by definition.

If we trade Kuminga at the trade deadline, will his whole salary count for salary matching purposes? Or, will only 1/2 still count?

[EvanZ]

I can't wait until we're done with this kid. It's like Monta but much less important lol.

I'm pretty sure we'll watch him through Feb, at least. I liked Monta, though to be fair to my bball taste, we didn't have much else to like at the time. Unlike Monta, however, JK is a two-way player, if an inconsistent one, at that. For one, I would like to see him with a decent contract and some runway to gel w/ steph/dray/jimmy but I do think it'll be best for JK to go elsewhere. From the GSW perspective, we're unlikely to get a player that talented back so it'll be a downgrade, almost by definition.

If we trade Kuminga at the trade deadline, will his whole salary count for salary matching purposes? Or, will only 1/2 still count?

I think it converts to full in December?

[GS Warriors 1]

It's either December or January, but it's before the deadline for sure.

[statsman]

December 15th

[HiRez]

I can't wait until we're done with this kid. It's like Monta but much less important lol.

I'm pretty sure we'll watch him through Feb, at least. I liked Monta, though to be fair to my bball taste, we didn't have much else to like at the time. Unlike Monta, however, JK is a two-way player, if an inconsistent one, at that. For one, I would like to see him with a decent contract and some runway to gel w/ steph/dray/jimmy but I do think it'll be best for JK to go elsewhere. From the GSW perspective, we're unlikely to get a player that talented back so it'll be a downgrade, almost by definition.

That's basically the problem, will be very hard to get someone more talented back. I mean we tried "better fit" and "high IQ" with like Slow-mo but that was a dud. And I will disagree with people who are so anti-JK they might be leaning into the "addition by subtraction" thing. He might not be what everyone wants him to be and he's certainly not what Kerr wants him to be, but I don't see him as a negative asset. He gets painted as this tunnel-visioned, selfish ball-hog, but I don't see it. Not saying he can't do better moving the ball, but he's trying out there. And before he got injured, I do think he was starting to find a better balance between just going to score and finding others when he didn't have a clear shot. But unfortunately that all got derailed and now we're kind of starting over again. When he came back from the injury, half the team was different and Jimmy was there and he never really got a shot to figure out the new landscape.

But at this point, I agree it's best for everyone if he goes elsewhere, there's not enough time left for him or the team to figure out what to do with him. Which I think is going to make for a very awkward and possibly disruptive first half of the season.