Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

[tsherkin]

The reports literally said they didn’t want to take back a bad contract, which RJ is lol. That’s not spinning, that’s just the reality of it.

That's true, they specifically didn't want to add extended contracts.

[PushDaRock]

And now you see how teams valued Ayton.

The guy that’s going to be one of the hottest free agents on the market now?

The waive more so tells me that like the Pelicans didn’t want RJ, Portland doesn’t want to take on a bad contract to get rid of a player they don’t want.

Bobby got his work cut out for him, it’s going to be really hard to flip RJ without taking on a bad contract.

Wow. Way to spin it! Let’s not pretend Portland had the choice of trading Ayton for RJ or waiving him and decided to waive him. That’s NONSENSE, and not what’s happened here. lol.

An RJ offer for Ayton was never on the table because Ayton sucks.

The blind RJ hate is getting out of hand and it’s so stupid and not based in reality.

Gonna be lots of pissed off “fans” watching RJ as a Rap until he retires.

I’m here for it.

lol it's odd how it's being spun as Portland turning down RJ somehow. Ayton made little sense for numerous reasons. He doesn't fit the culture we are trying to build and he makes 35.5m which is nearly 8m more than RJ which would put us comfortably in the luxury tax. I still don't get how anyone was a proponent of this.

[PushDaRock]

The reports literally said they didn’t want to take back a bad contract, which RJ is lol. That’s not spinning, that’s just the reality of it.

That's true, they specifically didn't want to add extended contracts.

Maybe so, but we for damn sure ain't taking Ayton at 35.5m this season and being firmly in the luxury tax.

[HumbleRen]

The guy that’s going to be one of the hottest free agents on the market now?

The waive more so tells me that like the Pelicans didn’t want RJ, Portland doesn’t want to take on a bad contract to get rid of a player they don’t want.

Bobby got his work cut out for him, it’s going to be really hard to flip RJ without taking on a bad contract.

Wow. Way to spin it! Let’s not pretend Portland had the choice of trading Ayton for RJ or waiving him and decided to waive him. That’s NONSENSE, and not what’s happened here. lol.

An RJ offer for Ayton was never on the table because Ayton sucks.

The blind RJ hate is getting out of hand and it’s so stupid and not based in reality.

Gonna be lots of pissed off “fans” watching RJ as a Rap until he retires.

I’m here for it.

lol it's odd how it's being spun as Portland turning down RJ somehow. Ayton made little sense for numerous reasons. He doesn't fit the culture we are trying to build and he makes 35.5m which is nearly 8m more than RJ which would put us comfortably in the luxury tax. I still don't get how anyone was a proponent of this.

Again, you guys are viewing it as a long term addition lol.

It’s simply about giving yourself flexibility for the next summer.

You take the short term hit to not take a long term hit. It’s why teams want expiring contracts when they want to have cap flexibility for a specific year.

[SharoneWright]

IQ signing was a joke from the start. Knicks balked at the contract demands he floated, and so smartly traded him. We did one better and paid him more than his rumoured asking price.

Just because you hope he’s a $32 million player, doesn’t mean you can wish it or pay it into existence.

The player/contract is a net negative. We’re going to have to bite the bullet on something.

[PushDaRock]

Wow. Way to spin it! Let’s not pretend Portland had the choice of trading Ayton for RJ or waiving him and decided to waive him. That’s NONSENSE, and not what’s happened here. lol.

An RJ offer for Ayton was never on the table because Ayton sucks.

The blind RJ hate is getting out of hand and it’s so stupid and not based in reality.

Gonna be lots of pissed off “fans” watching RJ as a Rap until he retires.

I’m here for it.

lol it's odd how it's being spun as Portland turning down RJ somehow. Ayton made little sense for numerous reasons. He doesn't fit the culture we are trying to build and he makes 35.5m which is nearly 8m more than RJ which would put us comfortably in the luxury tax. I still don't get how anyone was a proponent of this.

Again, you guys are viewing it as a long term addition lol.

It’s simply about giving yourself flexibility for the next summer.

You take the short term hit to not take a long term hit. It’s why teams want expiring contracts when they want to have cap flexibility for a specific year.

Do you think this ownership would willingly pay the luxury tax? If the answer is no, then how do you propose they would have gotten under it after taking on Ayton's contract? He makes 8m more than RJ. You're likely looking at dumping our younger players for picks to shed salary.

[tsherkin]

The reports literally said they didn’t want to take back a bad contract, which RJ is lol. That’s not spinning, that’s just the reality of it.

That's true, they specifically didn't want to add extended contracts.

Maybe so, but we for damn sure ain't taking Ayton at 35.5m this season and being firmly in the luxury tax.

We'd be taking him at the vet min at this point, heh. But RJ's at 27.7, so yeah, there would have to be someone else going along with him anyway, right? Anyhow, we aren't going to get Ayton. He's likely going to LA, and he specifically stated he wanted to go somewhere with a winning situation. Even if we do very well by our expectations this year, we aren't the kind of place he wants to go.

[PushDaRock]

That's true, they specifically didn't want to add extended contracts.

Maybe so, but we for damn sure ain't taking Ayton at 35.5m this season and being firmly in the luxury tax.

We'd be taking him at the vet min at this point, heh. But RJ's at 27.7, so yeah, there would have to be someone else going along with him anyway, right? Anyhow, we aren't going to get Ayton. He's likely going to LA, and he specifically stated he wanted to go somewhere with a winning situation. Even if we do very well by our expectations this year, we aren't the kind of place he wants to go.

He doesn't fit our culture anyways, neither side would be interested right now I'm sure.

[tsherkin]

Maybe so, but we for damn sure ain't taking Ayton at 35.5m this season and being firmly in the luxury tax.

We'd be taking him at the vet min at this point, heh. But RJ's at 27.7, so yeah, there would have to be someone else going along with him anyway, right? Anyhow, we aren't going to get Ayton. He's likely going to LA, and he specifically stated he wanted to go somewhere with a winning situation. Even if we do very well by our expectations this year, we aren't the kind of place he wants to go.

He doesn't fit our culture anyways, neither side would be interested right now I'm sure.

I'm inclined to agree, yes.

[Madvillainy2004]

IQ signing was a joke from the start. Knicks balked at the contract demands he floated, and so smartly traded him. We did one better and paid him more than his rumoured asking price.

Just because you hope he’s a $32 million player, doesn’t mean you can wish it or pay it into existence.

The player/contract is a net negative. We’re going to have to bite the bullet on something.

The contract isn't great but IQ is still a very positive contributor offensively. 3.2 OBPM and 2.1 EPM in a weird tanking season where he was injured for most of it. I think he'll have a really good season for us next year and he's gonna be the 53rd ranked player in salary. Not a bargain by any means but not a massive untrade-able over pay either.

[tsherkin]

The contract isn't great but IQ is still a very positive contributor offensively. 3.2 OBPM and 2.1 EPM in a weird tanking season where he was injured for most of it.

Whatever one thinks of Quick, I don't believe a 30-game sample provides stats we should really lean into overly hard... especially if they're career-highs you're hoping the player will replicate or approach.

[dhackett1565]

IQ signing was a joke from the start. Knicks balked at the contract demands he floated, and so smartly traded him. We did one better and paid him more than his rumoured asking price.

Just because you hope he’s a $32 million player, doesn’t mean you can wish it or pay it into existence.

The player/contract is a net negative. We’re going to have to bite the bullet on something.

The contract isn't great but IQ is still a very positive contributor offensively. 3.2 OBPM and 2.1 EPM in a weird tanking season where he was injured for most of it. I think he'll have a really good season for us next year and he's gonna be the 53rd ranked player in salary. Not a bargain by any means but not a massive untrade-able over pay either.

That IQ deal wasn't about years 1 and 2 anyway, he'll look like more and more of a bargain as the deal progresses.

[PushDaRock]

The contract isn't great but IQ is still a very positive contributor offensively. 3.2 OBPM and 2.1 EPM in a weird tanking season where he was injured for most of it.

Whatever one thinks of Quick, I don't believe a 30-game sample provides stats we should really lean into overly hard... especially if they're career-highs you're hoping the player will replicate or approach.

His metrics have been really good throughout his career though.

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[HumbleRen]

IQ signing was a joke from the start. Knicks balked at the contract demands he floated, and so smartly traded him. We did one better and paid him more than his rumoured asking price.

Just because you hope he’s a $32 million player, doesn’t mean you can wish it or pay it into existence.

The player/contract is a net negative. We’re going to have to bite the bullet on something.

The contract isn't great but IQ is still a very positive contributor offensively. 3.2 OBPM and 2.1 EPM in a weird tanking season where he was injured for most of it. I think he'll have a really good season for us next year and he's gonna be the 53rd ranked player in salary. Not a bargain by any means but not a massive untrade-able over pay either.

Yeah, not worried about IQ’s contract.

++ shooting and isn’t turnover prone.

Him, RJ and BI just doesn’t work defensively though. It was already horrible with IQ and RJ.

[LoveMyRaps]

RJ for Pat Will + Jalen Smith + Future First

[tsherkin]

His metrics have been really good throughout his career though.

They've been okay.

If we're laying out on OBPM...

+1.4, +0.2, +1.3, +2.2 (+2.7 with New York, +1.9 with us) and then yes, +3.2 in 30 games.

O-EPM: +1.4, +1.1, +0.8, +1.5, +2.6

He's been okay. Net-positive, but nothing stunning. For us, he represents an asset because we blow donkey sphincter on offense. He's probably the best ATB 3pt shooter we have and he's been among our best playmakers. He doesn't stun on D and he isn't any kind of remarkable at applying rim pressure, but he can rock mid-high teens on around league-average efficiency, which isn't nothing, especially as a second scorer.

For $33M, is that worthwhile? Well, we'll see when we actually get a full season out of him. He's definitely not someone to toss away for nothing.

[PushDaRock]

His metrics have been really good throughout his career though.

They've been okay.

If we're laying out on OBPM...

+1.4, +0.2, +1.3, +2.2 (+2.7 with New York, +1.9 with us) and then yes, +3.2 in 30 games.

O-EPM: +1.4, +1.1, +0.8, +1.5, +2.6

He's been okay. Net-positive, but nothing stunning. For us, he represents an asset because we blow donkey sphincter on offense. He's probably the best ATB 3pt shooter we have and he's been among our best playmakers. He doesn't stun on D and he isn't any kind of remarkable at applying rim pressure, but he can rock mid-high teens on around league-average efficiency, which isn't nothing, especially as a second scorer.

For $33M, is that worthwhile? Well, we'll see when we actually get a full season out of him. He's definitely not someone to toss away for nothing.

The on court and on/off metrics paint him better.

This league is just in a weird place right now where the middle class and upper middle class players aren't who the league is interested in paying at all anymore. So, everyone just wants to pay max players and try to squeeze everyone else. I think it will balance back out a bit more in a couple years.

[tsherkin]

The on court and on/off metrics paint him better.

Not that I can see.

This league is just in a weird place right now where the middle class and upper middle class players aren't who the league is interested in paying at all anymore. So, everyone just wants to pay max players and try to squeeze everyone else. I think it will balance back out a bit more in a couple years.

We shall see. I just hope we don't waste him for garbage if we do move him.

[HumbleRen]

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Polar bear sighting.

Knicks really bent us over on that OG trade.