Making Sense of a Senseless Summer

[cucad8]

Nobody wants Ayton. We get rid of him. People complain. If we took back bad money for Ayton, people would complain. You want your cake, to eat it, and to complain all about it. He's gone. Clear runway for Clingan. It's great. We took on his bad money to land Camara. Great!

[Case2012]

Teams want Ayton, just not for 35 million.

The Lakers in particular want Ayton and he'll do very well in the PNR with Leluka. Like, they'll make him look like a all star some nights.

Brace yourselves for a disgusting return for Grant as well. Overpaid-yes, bad year-yes, still average defense and shot creator, long and can shot 40% from 3. There is some value there.

I would really like to use his contract with Scoot or Sharpe to upgrade the 2 for a near star level player rather than a bunch of smaller shorter deals.

[Walton1one]

No, Cronin took Ayton to get Ayton, this notion that Camara was the “real” target in that trade is pure fiction, they asked for him too be included but he was not the centerpiece of that deal

Then he takes Clingan, now Yang and Ayton is bought out, not sure what if any return he could have got and I guess we wait and see if Cronin uses the MLE on a player or if\what Grant is dealt for but it certainly appears this front office is all over the place, we will see how it comes together

I will add, Ayton stating he wants to play for a winning situation must make Jrue excited to come to POR

[Case2012]

No, Cronin took Ayton to get Ayton, this notion that Camara was the “real” target in that trade is pure fiction, they asked for him too be included but he was not the centerpiece of that deal

Then he takes Clingan, now Yang and Ayton is bought out, not sure what if any return he could have got and I guess we wait and see if Cronin uses the MLE on a player or if\what Grant is dealt for but it certainly appears this front office is all over the place, we will see how it comes together

I will add, Ayton stating he wants to play for a winning situation must make Jrue excited to come to POR

He was supposed to be the center piece of the Dame deal since we flipped jrue right away. People will try and say Deni was because of that pick we traded but that was also a different deal.

It's just cope and it's pretty sad. The Dame trade looks even worse now.

[DeBlazerRiddem]

The only part of the Damian return that was sent to the Suns was Grayson Allen, who was like the most insignificant player we got from Milwaukee and was in there for salary matching only. We combined him with Nurkic for Ayton and Camara. Fun fact, the Suns didn't even know who they were getting from a 3rd team in that trade, just the players salary and position.

Holiday and the picks where by far the main part of that return and were not at all involved in the deal to acquire Ayton. I know the narrative that Ayton was some central piece was pushed by some, maybe even the team itself to cope, but it doesn't match the facts of the trade and the values involved. To do so is to say that Grayson Allen by himself has more value than Holiday and the picks we got which is clearly not right.

[PDXKnight]

The only part of the Damian return that was sent to the Suns was Grayson Allen, who was like the most insignificant player we got from Milwaukee and was in there for salary matching only. We combined him with Nurkic for Ayton and Camara. Fun fact, the Suns didn't even know who they were getting from a 3rd team in that trade, just the players salary and position.

Holiday and the picks where by far the main part of that return and were not at all involved in the deal to acquire Ayton. I know the narrative that Ayton was some central piece was pushed by some, maybe even the team itself to cope, but it doesn't match the facts of the trade and the values involved. To do so is to say that Grayson Allen by himself has more value than Holiday and the picks we got which is clearly not right.

Yup, the picks and holiday who netted more picks were definitely the center of that deal. Camara was a nice addition but lets be real that was pure luck otherwise the nurk for ayton swap looks pretty meh

[DusterBuster]

This summer is **** stupid.

I have no other analysis than that. No longform post trying to make sense of this.

**** stupid. Maybe (most likely) there is some back room dealings happening here, but asset **** mismanagement of the highest order. Cronin is just a **** agent fiddle. Whatever they want, he does, even if it’s to the Blazers disadvantage.

Only reasoning I can see of this is DAs agent said I want out of Portland, they looked at what was out there for 48hrs, and decided just waving him and letting him go for free to a team like the Lakers (he’s going there no question… Klutch) was apparently the best move. The agent clearly manipulated it all and Joe said, thank you sir may I have some more.

Can’t **** wait til this team is sold and someone with some balls has control of the team.

[DusterBuster]

Anyone wanting me to get on the hating Joe Cronin train, you got me buying a first class ticket. **** Nurkic got moved again, you can’t tell me DA couldn’t have been moved for SOMETHING.

Cronin is nothing but a Klutch puppet. He’s turning the Blazers into the NBA equivalent of the Mariners. The sooner this **** dude is out of charge and the team is sold, the **** better.

You do something with an asset, you don’t let them go for nothing like this.

**** this clown man.

[Walton1one]

Welcome aboard

[m0ng0]

Godspeed!!!

[Village Idiot]

An important point is that both Ayton and Hansen Yang are represented by Clutch. The marketing opportunity of 300 million Chinesie NBA fans if Yang can become a solid rotation player are massive. For a team that is for sale that is a huge boon.

It'll be interesting to see the terms of the buy-out and what we end up doing with the MLE slot.Personally I am happy that we moved Ayton quickly. I really like the guys left on the roster. The team will be hard-nosed and defensive oriented. Despite we will probably struggle to make the playoffs next season but that means a lottery pick in a deep draft. From 2027 we give the Bulls our pick and from then we have control over Bucks picks for three years and an unprotected 1st from a team full of guys who spent last season injured. Personally I think Cronin is doing an impressive job. This team will be very likeable.

[DusterBuster]

An important point is that both Ayton and Hansen Yang are represented by Clutch. The marketing opportunity of 300 million Chinesie NBA fans if Yang can become a solid rotation player are massive. For a team that is for sale that is a huge boon.

It'll be interesting to see the terms of the buy-out and what we end up doing with the MLE slot.Personally I am happy that we moved Ayton quickly. I really like the guys left on the roster. The team will be hard-nosed and defensive oriented. Despite we will probably struggle to make the playoffs next season but that means a lottery pick in a deep draft. From 2027 we give the Bulls our pick and from then we have control over Bucks picks for three years and an unprotected 1st from a team full of guys who spent last season injured. Personally I think Cronin is doing an impressive job. This team will be very likeable.

Everyone claiming on the GB that Ayton is not with Klutch.

[BlazersBroncos]

Anyone wanting me to get on the hating Joe Cronin train, you got me buying a first class ticket. **** Nurkic got moved again, you can’t tell me DA couldn’t have been moved for SOMETHING.

Nurkic makes like 19M Ayton makes 35M.

Its far harder to match Ayton's salary - and consitering we dont have many roster slots open your in an even tougher spot. Any trade w/ LAL would require something like 4-for-1.

Ayton for sure simply didnt have a market. I for one am glad he is gone. He is a consistent net negative when on the floor. I would rather cut him now and never have to see him play again than keep him and hope a team somehow finds 35M in expendable salary.

Good riddance. We all wanted Simons and Ayton gone and now they are. The market for guys like them has been nil for ages. Sexton just had to get a SRP attached to him to get flipped for Nurkic. Thats a HUGE sign that small, scoring guards who dont play D simply have no value. Ayton is a low motor big who doesnt know how to set a screen, doesnt shoot the 3, doesnt get to the FT line, doesnt block shots and is making 35M. I am fine with simply cutting him. He stinks. Now we get to play the kids at C, and DC by all advanced metrics was a net positive as a rookie - should only get better this year.

[zzaj]

I could see an argument to keep Ayton until the trade deadline in hopes that some contending team with injury gets desperate...but the reality of teams giving up any player of value at that time given his Salary, is very small. I don't believe Cronin is interested in draft capital...

[cucad8]

I could see an argument to keep Ayton until the trade deadline in hopes that some contending team with injury gets desperate...but the reality of teams giving up any player of value at that time given his Salary is very small. I don't believe Cronin is interested in draft capital...

I can see that if I squinted hard through my rose colored glasses, but what contender is going to be able to fit the criteria of not being hard capped at either apron, and have deals that aren't big contributors that they would want to move for Ayton. And, looking at us then potentially having to waive players if it was like a 3-1 type deal.

[The Sebastian Express]

Anyone wanting me to get on the hating Joe Cronin train, you got me buying a first class ticket. **** Nurkic got moved again, you can’t tell me DA couldn’t have been moved for SOMETHING.

Nurkic makes like 19M Ayton makes 35M.

Its far harder to match Ayton's salary - and consitering we dont have many roster slots open your in an even tougher spot. Any trade w/ LAL would require something like 4-for-1.

Ayton for sure simply didnt have a market. I for one am glad he is gone. He is a consistent net negative when on the floor. I would rather cut him now and never have to see him play again than keep him and hope a team somehow finds 35M in expendable salary.

Good riddance. We all wanted Simons and Ayton gone and now they are. The market for guys like them has been nil for ages. Sexton just had to get a SRP attached to him to get flipped for Nurkic. Thats a HUGE sign that small, scoring guards who dont play D simply have no value. Ayton is a low motor big who doesnt know how to set a screen, doesnt shoot the 3, doesnt get to the FT line, doesnt block shots and is making 35M. I am fine with simply cutting him. He stinks. Now we get to play the kids at C, and DC by all advanced metrics was a net positive as a rookie - should only get better this year.

Don't you bring your reasonable approach in here!

[zzaj]

I could see an argument to keep Ayton until the trade deadline in hopes that some contending team with injury gets desperate...but the reality of teams giving up any player of value at that time given his Salary is very small. I don't believe Cronin is interested in draft capital...

I can see that if I squinted hard through my rose colored glasses, but what contender is going to be able to fit the criteria of not being hard capped at either apron, and have deals that aren't big contributors that they would want to move for Ayton. And, looking at us then potentially having to waive players if it was like a 3-1 type deal.

Yep--exactly.

Also, I think it stands to reason that Cronin et al. are interested in showing that reaching for a player that likely would have been drafted 15 spots later (or more) was justified. It might not be a major reason for the buyout, but reaching and standing firm about how Yang is "ready to contribute" (Both Cronin and Billups said this in their presser)...and then having him in the Remix all year, would not be a good look.

[DusterBuster]

Anyone wanting me to get on the hating Joe Cronin train, you got me buying a first class ticket. **** Nurkic got moved again, you can’t tell me DA couldn’t have been moved for SOMETHING.

Nurkic makes like 19M Ayton makes 35M.

Its far harder to match Ayton's salary - and consitering we dont have many roster slots open your in an even tougher spot. Any trade w/ LAL would require something like 4-for-1.

Ayton for sure simply didnt have a market. I for one am glad he is gone. He is a consistent net negative when on the floor. I would rather cut him now and never have to see him play again than keep him and hope a team somehow finds 35M in expendable salary.

Good riddance. We all wanted Simons and Ayton gone and now they are. The market for guys like them has been nil for ages. Sexton just had to get a SRP attached to him to get flipped for Nurkic. Thats a HUGE sign that small, scoring guards who dont play D simply have no value. Ayton is a low motor big who doesnt know how to set a screen, doesnt shoot the 3, doesnt get to the FT line, doesnt block shots and is making 35M. I am fine with simply cutting him. He stinks. Now we get to play the kids at C, and DC by all advanced metrics was a net positive as a rookie - should only get better this year.

Don't you bring your reasonable approach in here!

Look, that's fine. OK, waiving him was the only option. Fine, but then make the other moves make sense... I actually agree with moving on from DA. Just like I agreed with moving on from Simons. They should have done this 1-2 years ago! Cronin only made the DA move because his agent requested / demanded it. And when he moved on from Simons, he brought in a player who's still keeping the "generational cant possible pass on PG" on the **** bench.

I just want this management team to **** or get off the **** pot with this two timeline thing. Cool, Clingan and Yang C rotation. I'm here for it, lets go. But then why is the PG rotation Holiday / Scoot? Why isn't it Scoot and vet min guy like CP3 or Brogdon? Why did you bring in a still in his prime-ish Jrue Holiday? He'll be a good influence and I'm sure Scoot will learn a lot... but like... he would also learn a lot from being a starter and getting those reps that he should have been getting last year...

Ugh, this whole management team has been so **** frustrating.

FWIW, Jordan Clarkson is getting bought out, so the CBA is clearly having an effect where even starter level players are getting bought out because they can't be traded... Agents are flexing their power here and we're seeing a new version of trade demands for players on expiring contracts.

[The Sebastian Express]

But you're assuming he's going to be on the bench. We have no idea what the season will start as. We all assumed we would still have Simons and DA on the roster. We don't. So many of you are assuming Jrue will start. We don't know. You're assuming that CP3, who has talked about how he's been away from his kids, would sign here to be a mentor rather than you know.. want to ring chase or be closer to home.

You're all assuming this major negativity to fuel your rage and anger but it's just assumptions. Like please feel free to be upset, but I think there's reasonable levels of being upset and then there's the oh, okay, it's just a game and maybe take a breath kinds of anger.

[Chanse503]

This defense is going to be filthy - love how this team is shaping up.

We certainly are going to be a top level defense and have fun comparing the similarities of the championship team Billups was on with the Pistons- loads of similarities IMO.

Massive factor is we don’t have a HOF coach…