Kuminga sign and trade Bulls interest

[ghostinthepost1]

Is there really enough room for Matas, Essengua, AND Kuminga? Three forwards that need to develop at the same time?

Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

[WindyCityBorn]

I don’t see AK adding Kuminga without dumping Pat, but I could see him justifying an asset dump to shed Pat and come out with Kuminga.

So yeah, lightly protected 2027 FRP, Coby, Ayo, etc. The justification in his brain will be “future cap space saved.”

Ew

[nomorezorro]

couple of updates this afternoon:

the warriors beat writer from the athletic says there's no traction between kuminga and GS, and he lists miami + us as the two likeliest destinations if he leaves

Despite a few conversations between the two sides, the Golden State Warriors have generated no real traction toward a deal with restricted free agent Jonathan Kuminga in recent days and, as anticipated, he is expected to explore the market when it opens at 3 p.m. PT on Monday afternoon, league sources told The Athletic. The Miami Heat and Chicago Bulls remain the two likeliest outside suitors, league sources said.

The Heat were delivered an extra level of flexibility when Duncan Robinson opted out of his $19 million expiring contract on Sunday in search of a longer-term deal. Depending on how the market materializes and Miami’s ultimate pursuits, Robinson’s situation could find itself linked to Kuminga’s.

marc stein and jake fischer say kuminga's free agency could drag out and sacramento + new orleans could also be interested in him

Jonathan Kuminga's restricted free agency is expected to be a slowing-moving process in Golden State. It did not appear, as of lunchtime Monday, that the Warriors or Kuminga's representation had a specific resolution in mind for the 22-year-old forward's immediate future.

While a return to the Warriors remains in play for Kuminga, sources say Miami, Chicago, Sacramento and New Orleans are among the teams looming as potential suitors by way of possible sign-and-trade scenarios. Golden State would be willing to help facilitate a move for Kuminga to join a new team, but only if such a transaction were to outweigh the benefits of keeping Kuminga on their roster.

[CobysHairpick]

Is there really enough room for Matas, Essengua, AND Kuminga? Three forwards that need to develop at the same time?

Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

[ghostinthepost1]

Is there really enough room for Matas, Essengua, AND Kuminga? Three forwards that need to develop at the same time?

Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions are viewed by the Heat and Bulls around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

Honestly I think if they bring Kuminga in and it becomes clear at any point that either Essengue is a better player or Kuminga does in fact just suck, there is no reason they can't bench him or trade him.

[Red Larrivee]

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

I don't want Kuminga, but Essengue should absolutely not be getting 30+ entitlement minutes off the bat considering how raw he is. Starting him shouldn't even be the expectation.

[Am2626]

Is there really enough room for Matas, Essengua, AND Kuminga? Three forwards that need to develop at the same time?

Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

Essengue is a project and years away. Matas is a 4 and Kuminga is a 3.

[nomorezorro]

i think he's talking about the 2026-27 season — 30 mpg is probably still a little heavy for noa's sophomore year, but i agree we should probably not be creating potential stonewalls to his long-term development unless the piece we're adding is super promising. and i certainly would not characterize kuminga that way

[CobysHairpick]

Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions are viewed by the Heat and Bulls around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

Honestly I think if they bring Kuminga in and it becomes clear at any point that either Essengue is a better player or Kuminga does in fact just suck, there is no reason they can't bench him or trade him.

That's fair, they can always flip Kuminga again. Just worried that AK will get pennies on the dollar if Kuminga does in fact show he's not fit to be the top option as he apparently wants to be. Which reminds me, trading for Kuminga may force Billy/Giddey to adjust to his on ball tendencies which I'm not sure is the best route.

[nomorezorro]

these are all secondary concerns to the primary issue with us going after kuminga, which is that we're also about to hand a fat contract to josh giddey, and splurging on two different guys who can't play off ball is incredibly stupid

[Am2626]

Is there really enough room for Matas, Essengua, AND Kuminga? Three forwards that need to develop at the same time?

Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

Isn’t Essengue more of a 4 or even 5? At 18 he could still grow taller. He’s already 6’10”. He needs to add weight. I don’t see him overlapping with Kuminga who is a 3 and can play the 2 and 4. Also Kuminga shot 40% from 3 in the playoffs when he actually got playing time after Curry got hurt. You can’t keep spots open for unproven raw players. The Bulls need to acquire as much talent as they can right now.

[Red Larrivee]

these are all secondary concerns to the primary issue with us going after kuminga, which is that we're also about to hand a fat contract to josh giddey, and splurging on two different guys who can't play off ball is incredibly stupid

Agreed. Kuminga makes no sense unless you're moving Pat. Otherwise, you have a really messy wing rotation and Pat's contract will likely have zero shot to recover value.

[sco]

So here's the question would anyone prefer to just buyout Vuc (say for a $3M discount) or trade him for Kuminga on a 4/$100 deal?

[Am2626]

these are all secondary concerns to the primary issue with us going after kuminga, which is that we're also about to hand a fat contract to josh giddey, and splurging on two different guys who can't play off ball is incredibly stupid

Agreed. Kuminga makes no sense unless you're moving Pat. Otherwise, you have a really messy wing rotation and Pat's contract will likely have zero shot to recover value.

Pat Williams is a sunk cost. Why waste more time on him and give him minutes in the hope that he can try and get his trade value up. He’s had enough opportunity. He would just waste more time and take away from others that actually have a future with the Bulls.

[Dan Z]

Is there really enough room for Matas, Essengua, AND Kuminga? Three forwards that need to develop at the same time?

Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

If the Bulls get Kuminga then I bet Essengue will be buried on the bench. The Bulls already have these players at SF: Huerter, Okoro, PW, Essengue and Matas. At PF they have: Matas, PW and Essengue.

I'm not saying he'll be anything like Giannis, but I looked it up and rookie Giannis played 24.6 minutes per game.

[Tetlak]

So here's the question would anyone prefer to just buyout Vuc (say for a $3M discount) or trade him for Kuminga on a 4/$100 deal?

I fail to see how either move is prudent for us.

We already have a log-jam of wings/forwards, and Vuc is still a good vet for the kids to play with for another year. He has more value on our roster this upcoming season as a productive vet expiring contract than being bought out, and its not like we are gonna go after Myles Turner.

[CobysHairpick]

Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

Isn’t Essengue more of a 4 or even 5? At 18 he could still grow taller. He’s already 6’10”. He needs to add weight. I don’t see him overlapping with Kuminga who is a 3 and can play the 2 and 4. Also Kuminga shot 40% from 3 in the playoffs when he actually got playing time after Curry got hurt. You can’t keep spots open for unproven raw players. The Bulls need to acquire as much talent as they can right now.

Essengue is not a 5. He's 194 lbs and his game is suited as a modern 4/wing. Any minutes he plays at 5 will be limited and entirely matchup based. I mean I guess you can put Kuminga at the 2 but then you'd surround Giddey with average 3pt shooters at best. Kuminga is a wing and his game requires the ball in his hands. It just doesn't make sense to have a Giddey, Kuminga, Matas, Essengue, Center lineup where Giddey is your best shooter.

[CobysHairpick]

Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

If the Bulls get Kuminga then I bet Essengue will be buried on the bench. The Bulls already have these players at SF: Huerter, Okoro, PW, Essengue and Matas. At PF they have: Matas, PW and Essengue.

I'm not saying he'll be anything like Giannis, but I looked it up and rookie Giannis played 24.6 minutes per game.

Agreed. Matas played anywhere from 25-35 mins in the second half of the season as a rookie so I don't see why Essengue can't do the same for a team going nowhere. Let's not forget that Essengue played against grown men the past two seasons in Germany and averaged 24 mins including a 36 min game. With how soft NBA regular season defense is, I don't think Billy should shy away from playing him at all.

[sco]

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

If the Bulls get Kuminga then I bet Essengue will be buried on the bench. The Bulls already have these players at SF: Huerter, Okoro, PW, Essengue and Matas. At PF they have: Matas, PW and Essengue.

I'm not saying he'll be anything like Giannis, but I looked it up and rookie Giannis played 24.6 minutes per game.

Agreed. Matas played anywhere from 25-35 mins in the second half of the season as a rookie so I don't see why Essengue can't do the same for a team going nowhere. Let's not forget that Essengue played against grown men the past two seasons in Germany and averaged 24 mins including a 36 min game. With how soft NBA regular season defense is, I don't think Billy should shy away from playing him at all.

I think the key will be how he develops. I, like many, think that Matas' progression rate faster than we'd expect for Noa, because Matas seemed to find his game quicker than normal for a rookie. I also think Noa will start out in the 10-12 min range that Matas did, and will need to earn minutes beyond that. And look, I'd be thrilled if he follows Matas' pattern. That said, if we are out of play-in contention (don't like saying that) after the ASG, Noa may get more developmental minutes after that.

[Jeffster81]

I feel like Kuminga to the Bulls will happen and we will not be happy.