Kuminga sign and trade Bulls interest

sco · Post #201 » by **sco** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:21 pm

Jeffster81 wrote:I feel like Kuminga to the Bulls will happen and we will not be happy.

To be clear, we're Bulls fans. We weren't happy before a deal. :-?

CobysHairpick · Post #202 » by **CobysHairpick** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:33 pm

sco wrote:
CobysHairpick wrote:
Dan Z wrote:
If the Bulls get Kuminga then I bet Essengue will be buried on the bench. The Bulls already have these players at SF: Huerter, Okoro, PW, Essengue and Matas. At PF they have: Matas, PW and Essengue.

I'm not saying he'll be anything like Giannis, but I looked it up and rookie Giannis played 24.6 minutes per game.

Agreed. Matas played anywhere from 25-35 mins in the second half of the season as a rookie so I don't see why Essengue can't do the same for a team going nowhere. Let's not forget that Essengue played against grown men the past two seasons in Germany and averaged 24 mins including a 36 min game. With how soft NBA regular season defense is, I don't think Billy should shy away from playing him at all.

I think the key will be how he develops. I, like many, think that Matas' progression rate faster than we'd expect for Noa, because Matas seemed to find his game quicker than normal for a rookie. I also think Noa will start out in the 10-12 min range that Matas did, and will need to earn minutes beyond that. And look, I'd be thrilled if he follows Matas' pattern. That said, if we are out of play-in contention (don't like saying that) after the ASG, Noa may get more developmental minutes after that.

Matas being more developed as a rookie than Noa and thus more viable to earn minutes is 100% a fair point. His defense, handles and significant improvement as a 3pt shooter pretty much forced AK and Billy to clear roster space and play him. That being said, Noa's game right now is almost entirely off ball so I think there's room to play him so long as Billy is willing to be patient with growing pains. He's almost always off ball and often cuts to the rim if not driving to the rim himself once he gets the ball. I'm with you on that darned play-in contention BS, but regardless I would play Noa as much as possible seeing as his off ball role meshes well with Giddey, Matas, and (for now) Coby on ball tendencies.

ghostinthepost1 · Post #203 » by **ghostinthepost1** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:35 pm

Coby for Kuminga feels like an overpay considering the Warriors should have very little negotiating power.

Regardless of what the final deal looks like, I am 100% on the Kuminga bandwagon. You can never have enough athletic wings and Kuminga might be the most athletic of all of them. He's shown flashes of being dominant around the rim as well as elite at getting to the line.

My hope is that GS was such a toxic situation for him that being on the Bulls and getting a big contract make him play less hero-ball and tap into some of the defensive potential.

Jeffster81 · Post #204 » by **Jeffster81** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:35 pm

sco wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:I feel like Kuminga to the Bulls will happen and we will not be happy.

To be clear, we're Bulls fans. We weren't happy before a deal.

Touche.

Repeat 3-peat · Post #205 » by **Repeat 3-peat** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:36 pm

Miami beat writers have downplayed the Kuminga interest. If true, Kuminga will likely be a Bull, assuming that the interest from Chicago is also true.

Peelboy · Post #206 » by **Peelboy** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:52 pm

CobysHairpick wrote:
ghostinthepost1 wrote:
CobysHairpick wrote:Is there really enough room for Matas, Essengua, AND Kuminga? Three forwards that need to develop at the same time?

Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

I 1000% wouldn't put it past this clownshow of an FO to assume that Essengue can play the SG and play him there, or try and make Matas a bulked up C or some other idiocy. But......

It's not completely ludicrous to assume that an SF/PF rotation of Kuminga/Matas/Essengue is reasonable. Assumes that Giddey plays primarily PG and PW/Vuc/Smith/Phillips are the C. Or maybe they think a bulked up Matas can do some small ball C in stints with Essengue, Matas. That's a long team (esp w Giddey at PF).

What screws that up is Okoro.........who we traded a solid asset for......

Or you just bury Essengue for a year and work on shooting and body.

ghostinthepost1 · Post #207 » by **ghostinthepost1** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:11 pm

I've seen a lot of former players talk about how great they think Kuminga is which is also a reason we should go get him.

Read on Twitter

ShouldaPaidBG · Post #208 » by **ShouldaPaidBG** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:21 pm

If they would take Vuc in return....

prolific passer · Post #209 » by **prolific passer** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:23 pm

sco wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:I feel like Kuminga to the Bulls will happen and we will not be happy.

To be clear, we're Bulls fans. We weren't happy before a deal.

I'm not happy right now.

Peelboy · Post #210 » by **Peelboy** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:29 pm

AK gonna trade Vuc+Ayo or Vuc+Ayo +FRP for Kuminga at ~$32M/yr. Watch.

_txchilibowl_ · Post #211 » by **_txchilibowl_** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:33 pm

Peelboy wrote:AK gonna trade Vuc+Ayo or Vuc+Ayo +FRP for Kuminga at ~$32M/yr. Watch.

I hope he does just so I can watch the meltdown...

Lexluthor · Post #212 » by **Lexluthor** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:34 pm

Red Larrivee wrote:
CobysHairpick wrote:I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

I don't want Kuminga, but Essengue should absolutely not be getting 30+ entitlement minutes off the bat considering how raw he is. Starting him shouldn't even be the expectation.

By year two that should be the goal . If not then why did the Bulls draft him ?

BullChit · Post #213 » by **BullChit** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:38 pm

prolific passer wrote:
sco wrote:
Jeffster81 wrote:I feel like Kuminga to the Bulls will happen and we will not be happy.

To be clear, we're Bulls fans. We weren't happy before a deal.

I'm not happy right now.

Lol we wouldn't be happy with a miracle play in play off run that ended in only one championship....

ChiTownHero1992 · Post #214 » by **ChiTownHero1992** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:44 pm

BullChit wrote:
prolific passer wrote:
sco wrote:To be clear, we're Bulls fans. We weren't happy before a deal.

I'm not happy right now.

Lol we wouldn't be happy with a miracle play in play off run that ended in only one championship....

I'd be ecstatic about tha, i'd also be ecstatic about winning a million dollars, i just dont want to waste my time and money paying for lotto tickets to continously lose either

WindyCityBorn · Post #215 » by **WindyCityBorn** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:49 pm

Am2626 wrote:
CobysHairpick wrote:
ghostinthepost1 wrote:
Essengue can't legally drink for another 3 years. He's not going to be playing 30+ minutes a game as a rookie.

It's interesting that Miami is the other team linked to Kuminga. If they get him the entire NBA community will jerk themselves off about how smart they are and "heat culture" and if the Bulls get him it'll be more "lol bulls" buffoonery.

I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

Isn’t Essengue more of a 4 or even 5? At 18 he could still grow taller. He’s already 6’10”. He needs to add weight. I don’t see him overlapping with Kuminga who is a 3 and can play the 2 and 4. Also Kuminga shot 40% from 3 in the playoffs when he actually got playing time after Curry got hurt. You can’t keep spots open for unproven raw players. The Bulls need to acquire as much talent as they can right now.

He is not a 5 at all. Plays nothing like a 5.

prolific passer · Post #216 » by **prolific passer** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:50 pm

BullChit wrote:
prolific passer wrote:
sco wrote:To be clear, we're Bulls fans. We weren't happy before a deal.

I'm not happy right now.

Lol we wouldn't be happy with a miracle play in play off run that ended in only one championship....

Actually winning a title in the post Jordan era would make you a legit dynasty like the Celtics and Lakers with winning in different eras with different players but it's all bullchit in the end.

bulletbill · Post #217 » by **bulletbill** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 10:10 pm

pursue PJ Washington instead

WesPeace · Post #218 » by **WesPeace** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:52 am

WindyCityBorn wrote:
Am2626 wrote:
CobysHairpick wrote:I'm not even thinking about this season. If the Bulls sign Kuminga to an extension then will Essengue see 30 mins next season as he should? He should be playing next to Matas (and Giddey) as much as possible to establish chemistry. If Kuminga signs for more than 2 years which I'm sure he wants then you're basically pushing Essengue's minutes to his second contract which doesn't make any sense seeing as how he should be playing as much as possible next season.

No disagreement on how transactions by the Heat and Bulls are viewed around the league. Personally, while I'm concerned about Kuminga's 3pt%, his athleticism and aggression would be fun to watch in this uptempo scheme. That said, I'd rather keep a starting spot open for Essengue next season.

Isn’t Essengue more of a 4 or even 5? At 18 he could still grow taller. He’s already 6’10”. He needs to add weight. I don’t see him overlapping with Kuminga who is a 3 and can play the 2 and 4. Also Kuminga shot 40% from 3 in the playoffs when he actually got playing time after Curry got hurt. You can’t keep spots open for unproven raw players. The Bulls need to acquire as much talent as they can right now.

He is not a 5 at all. Plays nothing like a 5.

Yes, he plays like 3 or 4 for now.. long athletic wing!

BUT we have seen multiple times that NBA execs and management f.... up players with wrong development plans, PWill best case lately with Bulls! I could easily see especially Billy D looking at Noa, seeing tall skinny dude and he wants to add some muscle on him and play him at 5, because you know.. he is tall enough!

If Noa can adjust and build up to play athletic 5, wouldnt be that bad.. If Holmgren can play center,so could Essengue. But at the moment we seen him more as Giannis from Temu option hehe, athletic four.

I always said I see Buzelis more as natural fit at 4, because of defensive instincts,. We shall see what Bulls see in their plans going forward. I dont want to see Matas bulk up and playing center, ever never, thats for sure, 1000% no!

MrSparkle · Post #219 » by **MrSparkle** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:46 am

Based on what KC said regarding BYC… we can only send 50% salary out.

So it would have to be something like Ayo/Jalen ($16.5M) for a $33M Kuminga. I suppose you could front-load that offer, so it’s like $27M against Y4 (although you’d want that to be a team option). Those would be 2 solid role-players for them. But the offer is rich (120m?).

If you want to pay him less ($20-24m), it’d have to be something like Ayo and Phillips or Terry… which Warriors probably aren’t interested in, without draft compensation.

Either way, Bulls then become a team with a lot of dubious long term salary.

Post #220 » by **HomoSapien** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:14 am

MrSparkle wrote:Based on what KC said regarding BYC… we can only send 50% salary out.

So it would have to be something like Ayo/Jalen ($16.5M) for a $33M Kuminga. I suppose you could front-load that offer, so it’s like $27M against Y4 (although you’d want that to be a team option). Those would be 2 solid role-players for them. But the offer is rich (120m?).

If you want to pay him less ($20-24m), it’d have to be something like Ayo and Phillips or Terry… which Warriors probably aren’t interested in, without draft compensation.

Either way, Bulls then become a team with a lot of dubious long term salary.

Meh. I like Kuminga more than most but to have to give up Ayo and Smith in a sign and trade is a steep return.