[Smith] No Raptors Trade Imminent - Could Wait Until End Of Summer League To Find Backup Center

[Mikistan]

Don’t understand the direction of this team. If we wanted to be young, why go after Brandon Ingram? Do we want to win? Do we want to tank? Or is 8th place the goal?

You upgrade talent when it's available for cheap. That's the direction. Talent accumulation. Ingram is 27 let's stop pretending he's over the hill, injuries or not

[NoBias]

Don’t understand the direction of this team. If we wanted to be young, why go after Brandon Ingram? Do we want to win? Do we want to tank? Or is 8th place the goal?

You upgrade talent when it's available for cheap. That's the direction. Talent accumulation. Ingram is 27 let's stop pretending he's over the hill, injuries or not

Bobby get off realgm and get me a center

[Mikistan]

Don’t understand the direction of this team. If we wanted to be young, why go after Brandon Ingram? Do we want to win? Do we want to tank? Or is 8th place the goal?

You upgrade talent when it's available for cheap. That's the direction. Talent accumulation. Ingram is 27 let's stop pretending he's over the hill, injuries or not

Bobby get off realgm and get me a center

I'll get a c when you get a girlfriend

[YogurtProducer]

That's not entirely true.

19/20 ran it back with Serge and Gasol
20-21 barf C"s
21-22 barf C's
22-23 barf C's...till Feb.
We didn't add Yak until Feb when 2/3 of season gone.

So we went 2 2/3 seasons without a starting level C on the roster. That just should not happen.

And we have not had 2 good C's since 2019-20. Maybe we should actually try and have 2 good C's and make it a STRENGTH instead of " well we could try this or that". Just go get another C that keeps Yak fresher, doesn't cripple up when an injury occurs, etc...

We have 15 guaranteed spots for 5 positions. Wanting 2 C's is not a crazy expectation....lol.

Sure.

But saying 2 2/3’s is ignoring we did address it in 2021 it just don’t work out so we tanked, and that we didn’t expect to be that good in 2022.

But trying and not finding a starting level guy is not getting a starting level guy.

And after that 48 win season in 2022...they STILL didn't add a starting level C until the team floundered and once again showed it was a big hole that need filling. They filled it in Feb after the hole was already dug deep.

I just don't think it's an unrealistic ask to allocate 2 of your 15 spots, to playable C's.

It obviously is harder than you’re giving it credit. If it were easy, everyone, including us, would do it every year.

[Scase]

Don’t understand the direction of this team. If we wanted to be young, why go after Brandon Ingram? Do we want to win? Do we want to tank? Or is 8th place the goal?

You upgrade talent when it's available for cheap. That's the direction. Talent accumulation. Ingram is 27 let's stop pretending he's over the hill, injuries or not

28 (B-day is in Sept) + injuries is not a great place to be TBF. I'm all for talent accumulation on the cheap, but this is a short term 3 year deal for a guy who is chronically injured. How does that help the team long term even the slightest?

I wouldn't agree with the move, but can totally understand it from a win now perspective, not a talent accumulation though. He's not likely to increase in value a bunch, he's not likely to be flipped for something better, he's just going to be an above average player here for like 60 games a season and be incredibly questionable for the playoffs.

That pickup was straight up a win now move.

[Mikistan]

Don’t understand the direction of this team. If we wanted to be young, why go after Brandon Ingram? Do we want to win? Do we want to tank? Or is 8th place the goal?

You upgrade talent when it's available for cheap. That's the direction. Talent accumulation. Ingram is 27 let's stop pretending he's over the hill, injuries or not

28 (B-day is in Sept) + injuries is not a great place to be TBF. I'm all for talent accumulation on the cheap, but this is a short term 3 year deal for a guy who is chronically injured. How does that help the team long term even the slightest?

I wouldn't agree with the move, but can totally understand it from a win now perspective, not a talent accumulation though. He's not likely to increase in value a bunch, he's not likely to be flipped for something better, he's just going to be an above average player here for like 60 games a season and be incredibly questionable for the playoffs.

That pickup was straight up a win now move.

What long term, look at all the contracts on the team

[DreamTeam09]

You upgrade talent when it's available for cheap. That's the direction. Talent accumulation. Ingram is 27 let's stop pretending he's over the hill, injuries or not

28 (B-day is in Sept) + injuries is not a great place to be TBF. I'm all for talent accumulation on the cheap, but this is a short term 3 year deal for a guy who is chronically injured. How does that help the team long term even the slightest?

I wouldn't agree with the move, but can totally understand it from a win now perspective, not a talent accumulation though. He's not likely to increase in value a bunch, he's not likely to be flipped for something better, he's just going to be an above average player here for like 60 games a season and be incredibly questionable for the playoffs.

That pickup was straight up a win now move.

What long term, look at all the contracts on the team

lol adding a 27yr old is a win now move, make it make sense. That does make sense to him tho which in itself is the issue I guess.

[TGM]

Bobby needs to do a consolidation trade. We don’t need this many pieces to develop.

We need roster space and minutes. Moving RJ, Ochai and maybe AJ Wilson makes a lot of sense to free things up. Probably also move temple to assistant coach at some point. The issue is he makes more on the vet minimum. Maybe Temple is the head coach succession plan if Dario flames out.

We could also use a bit more of a veteran presnce. I honestly wouldn’t mind a deal of RJ, Ochai for Derozan and JV and a few 2nds. JV loves Toronto and gives you a big body that can bang and grab rebounds. Let Derozan be the vet on the team and retire a raptor. Derozan and Ingram is not a bad combo scoring threat and we should alleviate Scottie from trying to be the main go to scorer.

[Tor_Raps]

Backup Centers are flying off the shelves and we got teams like the Rockets adding elite 3rd Centers. Its really not hard if you manage your cap right...

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

its hard to manage cap right. it would seem.

[PushDaRock]

its hard to manage cap right. it would seem.

That's why we have Bobby who helped write the CBA to guide us through these trying times.

[DG88]

I'm with Doug on this one. We're capped out right now and the only avenue is to get a C on a vet min contract or trade one of our starters to get a C of some kind back and future flexibility. We aren't going to players in this offseason.

[kalel123]

how many teams around the nba have 2 legit 7 footers?

3? maybe 4?

Last I checked, there's more than a bit of a difference between 6' 7" and 7' 0". Something in-between would be nice? I don't need another 7-footer. Just someone who can spell Poeltl when he sits or worse, when he's out with injury. There's nobody that can do that on this team and some minimum guy from scrap heap isn't the answer.

ok how many teams have 2 legit centers on their roster?

I would think it's less than half the league.

A back up center is not the be all and end all to win.

It's not just lack of C's beyond Poeltl but lack of any forward with real size that could play some real minutes at C in a pinch. Other teams have those if not 2 playable C's. We don't and we haven't had one in a while. There's a reason I made the comment about everyone (that you expect meaningful minutes out of) except Poeltl being 6' 8" and under or 6' 7" and under if you take out Ingram.

Sick of watching 6' 6" or 6' 7" players with long arms pretending he's a big and then subsequently gets pushed around like any other 6' 6"- 6' 7" guys would be and then we act surprised or ignore the obvious with litany of excuses. There's a reason our records suffer whenever Poeltl sits more than would be expected based on his talent level. And I'm sick and tired of this FO pretending like it's not an urgent need that should be addressed.

[kalel123]

I'm with Doug on this one. We're capped out right now and the only avenue is to get a C on a vet min contract or trade one of our starters to get a C of some kind back and future flexibility. We aren't going to players in this offseason.

I thought plan was to win games? Hard to do with Poeltl as your only big and everyone else 6' 8" or 6' 7" and under.

Agree not a lot of options but I guess that's what happens when you continue to kick the can down the road and refuse to fill a gaping hole on the roster.

[Thaddy]

I'm with Doug on this one. We're capped out right now and the only avenue is to get a C on a vet min contract or trade one of our starters to get a C of some kind back and future flexibility. We aren't going to players in this offseason.

I thought plan was to win games? Hard to do with Poeltl as your only big and everyone else 6' 8" or 6' 7" and under.

Agree not a lot of options but I guess that's what happens when you continue to kick the can down the road and refuse to fill a gaping hole on the roster.

We aren't winning anything. It's better for us to take risks with UDFAs. If we get a young big playing a big role on a lower seed playoff team then that would be successful.

[kalel123]

Last I checked, there's more than a bit of a difference between 6' 7" and 7' 0". Something in-between would be nice? I don't need another 7-footer. Just someone who can spell Poeltl when he sits or worse, when he's out with injury. There's nobody that can do that on this team and some minimum guy from scrap heap isn't the answer.

ok how many teams have 2 legit centers on their roster?

I would think it's less than half the league.

A back up center is not the be all and end all to win.

Not to mention for some reason he is completely ignoring 6'9" Mogbo who is the backup C as of now, and the 6'11" Castleton who is a meh player but still on the roster.

Mogbo is not 6' 9". And I'm not counting G league scrubs who might not even be here on opening night and we'll be seriously f'ed if he ends up playing more than garbage time.

[DG88]

I'm with Doug on this one. We're capped out right now and the only avenue is to get a C on a vet min contract or trade one of our starters to get a C of some kind back and future flexibility. We aren't going to players in this offseason.

I thought plan was to win games? Hard to do with Poeltl as your only big and everyone else 6' 8" or 6' 7" and under.

Agree not a lot of options but I guess that's what happens when you continue to kick the can down the road and refuse to fill a gaping hole on the roster.

They'll win games the roster is good for 40ish wins and a Play-In spot for sure this year. But for them to go to the next level Barnes has to take a step. Along with that we need a backup C as insurance for Poeltl. The offseason isn't over but I don't think this Raptors team gets a guaranteed playoff spot.

[Scase]

You upgrade talent when it's available for cheap. That's the direction. Talent accumulation. Ingram is 27 let's stop pretending he's over the hill, injuries or not

28 (B-day is in Sept) + injuries is not a great place to be TBF. I'm all for talent accumulation on the cheap, but this is a short term 3 year deal for a guy who is chronically injured. How does that help the team long term even the slightest?

I wouldn't agree with the move, but can totally understand it from a win now perspective, not a talent accumulation though. He's not likely to increase in value a bunch, he's not likely to be flipped for something better, he's just going to be an above average player here for like 60 games a season and be incredibly questionable for the playoffs.

That pickup was straight up a win now move.

What long term, look at all the contracts on the team

Scottie, Gradey, CMB, JKW, likely the upcoming Ochai extension, IQ. All of them are on long term contracts or young guys expected to be here a while. BI is the only one that doesn't fit, I would include Jak but he was picked up well before the above guys.

[TeamDisgruntled]

Day’Ron sharpe might have been nice.

Any chance we can land Mo Wagner? Might look decent as Jaks backup with 4 solid defenders on the floor to help him out.

What’s Orlando Robinson up too these days?

[720]

No one wants RJ and IQ. Those guys are gonna have to build their value up. IQ by taking that next step, RJ by becoming a better defender and efficient offensive player.