Official ‘24-25 Off-season Thread

[Eatgreenz]

these some good deals. with the team option can extend them if they start to outperform their deal

[ecuhus1981]

Yes, I like the deals for Sharpe and Williams

[Stone]

We are trading Cam Johnson to the nuggets for Michael Porter Jr.

Porter has two years left on his contract. 38 mil for the upcoming season and about 41 mil for next season.

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[TheNetsFan]

Talent-wise it's a wash. We're adding about $17mil per for the next 2 years and getting one of the most valuable, albeit distant picks out there.

[Netaman]

Talent-wise it's a wash. We're adding about $17mil per for the next 2 years and getting one of the most valuable, albeit distant picks out there.

Yep great trade. Another tough L for the marks haters.

MPJ in a bigger role with lots of guys who can get him open looks could increase his value enough that he brings back something just as good as CamJ at some point in the next 2 years. Nets just got a higher upside 2 years younger player and an unprotected pick for cap room. Unreal.

[Karate Diop]

Talent-wise it's a wash. We're adding about $17mil per for the next 2 years and getting one of the most valuable, albeit distant picks out there.

I love the distant unprotected picks though, they're so unpredictable but have had franchise altering impacts in the past when they break right...

Not a huge MPJ fan, he just turned 27 a day ago so not sure how much more room for growth there.. He's surprisingly played in 77 and 81 games the last two years, but wow o wow look at how abysmal his ability to draw fouls is.

Did VC4Pres have a huge man crush on this dude, or am I misremembering?

[Keith Van Horn]

We are going to be abysmal this year, aren't we...

[Paradise]

We are going to be abysmal this year, aren't we...

Not sure, it’s possible we overachieve compared to last year.

[Netaman]

We are going to be abysmal this year, aren't we...

i think they are going to be comparably bottom 8 but less under talented and more entertaining.

mpj is at worst a wash on court with camj, both come with injury risks. i feel way more comfortable betting on mpj to be an 18-20 ppg guy than camj repeating.

it seems like they are consciously not adding a veteran PG which is probably a good way to help lose more games. but then again they were winning games with keon at PG so who knows?

think about how many minutes were filled last year by players at one point available on 2 way contracts? jalen wilson (2031m) and keon (1925m) led the team last year in minutes played. tyrese martin played 1315m. Tosan (665m), shake (492m), balkman (465m), lewis (298m), timme (254m) played as much combined as DLo (717m) + Schroder (772m) + DFS (579m).

camt missed most of last year and now there is a much more talented and cohesive playmaking apparatus around him. he's taken positive steps every year of his career to the point where even one of his biggest doubters (me) isn't entirely sure he won't turn himself into something pretty useful. the group of talents they have now is the best set up he's had to really take his game to a different level if he can play within the .05 second game Jordi clearly wants to play.

[Netaman]

next move Nets should consider (may be a midseason move) is MPJ + Mann for Beal or Lillard. Both PHO/MIL would still save $ in those deals, get rotation players since they are trying to win, and nets would probably be able to get another unprotected future first back.

[Paradise]

next move Nets should consider (may be a midseason move) is MPJ + Mann for Beal or Lillard. Both PHO/MIL would still save $ in those deals, get rotation players since they are trying to win, and nets would probably be able to get another unprotected future first back.

You do realize it’s also about maintaining the culture and keeping guys who WANT to be here, right?

Let’s not get carried away and pick obsessed. Terrance Mann fits what the team needs and he’s from Brooklyn.

MPJ fits what the team needs and he’s younger than CJ.

[Netaman]

next move Nets should consider (may be a midseason move) is MPJ + Mann for Beal or Lillard. Both PHO/MIL would still save $ in those deals, get rotation players since they are trying to win, and nets would probably be able to get another unprotected future first back.

You do realize it’s also about maintaining the culture and keeping guys who WANT to be here, right?

Let’s not get carried away and pick obsessed. Terrance Mann fits what the team needs and he’s from Brooklyn.

MPJ fits what the team needs and he’s younger than CJ.

Who says MPJ wants to be here any more than Lillard would? I'm sure he would have chosen to stay in Denver if he could have. Meanwhile Lillard wanted to come here not that long ago and he's not gonna have very many options to make demands on where he can go next if there are even any takers. MIL is going for it and probably eagerly wishes they could move that deal to get back any useful players around Giannis they can. Nets are one of the few teams where Lillard being out for the year would be an ancillary benefit for the team in it's current 2026 situation with a good draft and owning their own pick. He's always been considered a hard worker and good leader, I'm sure he's rehabbing hard already and would be a positive presence in the organization even before getting healthy again.

Beal probably wouldn't waive to come here right now so he's currently irrelevant. unless he is somehow still in phoenix a year from now, which seems unlikely, when any trade would be a paper transaction with him almost certainly getting bought out as an expiring (or rerouted as cap placeholder as an expiring in a big super star trade).

I trust that marks/jordi arent going to bring any apples too rotten into the organization. i also trust that marks is going to continue to happily add good unprotected firsts like the Denver 2032 where can, even if it means trading for a player like mpj who may not be as good of a culture fit as camj already clearly was.

[Paradise]

next move Nets should consider (may be a midseason move) is MPJ + Mann for Beal or Lillard. Both PHO/MIL would still save $ in those deals, get rotation players since they are trying to win, and nets would probably be able to get another unprotected future first back.

You do realize it’s also about maintaining the culture and keeping guys who WANT to be here, right?

Let’s not get carried away and pick obsessed. Terrance Mann fits what the team needs and he’s from Brooklyn.

MPJ fits what the team needs and he’s younger than CJ.

Who says MPJ wants to be here any more than Lillard would? I'm sure he would have chosen to stay in Denver if he could have. Meanwhile Lillard wanted to come here not that long ago and he's not gonna have very many options to make demands on where he can go next if there are even any takers. MIL is going for it and probably eagerly wishes they could move that deal to get back any useful players around Giannis they can. Nets are one of the few teams where Lillard being out for the year would be an ancillary benefit for the team in it's current 2026 situation with a good draft and owning their own pick. He's always been considered a hard worker and good leader, I'm sure he's rehabbing hard already and would be a positive presence in the organization even before getting healthy again.

Beal probably wouldn't waive to come here right now so he's currently irrelevant. unless he is somehow still in phoenix a year from now, which seems unlikely, when any trade would be a paper transaction with him almost certainly getting bought out as an expiring (or rerouted as cap placeholder as an expiring in a big super star trade).

I trust that marks/jordi arent going to bring any apples too rotten into the organization. i also trust that marks is going to continue to happily add good unprotected firsts like the Denver 2032 where can, even if it means trading for a player like mpj who may not be as good of a culture fit as camj already clearly was.

Lol Lillard just got waived from Milwaukee. Can we stop with the addiction to trades now?

[Netaman]

that they waived and stretched him means they couldnt find a taker or just wouldn't pay the cost of trading him. both likely as im sure there was some cost the nets would have happily taken for him.

[Netaman]

btw stretching lillard to just backfill lopez' contract is **** insane on a level im not even sure i can comprehend. giannis is 100% asking out at some point in the next 12 months. nets have better guards than milwaukee and most of them havent played an nba game yet.

[Karate Diop]

btw stretching lillard to just backfill lopez' contract is **** insane on a level im not even sure i can comprehend. giannis is 100% asking out at some point in the next 12 months. nets have better guards than milwaukee and most of them havent played an nba game yet.

Yeah desperation levels are off the charts in Milwaukee, they're going to be a train wreck this year.

[tugs]

btw stretching lillard to just backfill lopez' contract is **** insane on a level im not even sure i can comprehend. giannis is 100% asking out at some point in the next 12 months. nets have better guards than milwaukee and most of them havent played an nba game yet.

Yeah desperation levels are off the charts in Milwaukee, they're going to be a train wreck this year.

Really curious what made them go "all in" with KPJ as the lead guard

[Netaman]

btw stretching lillard to just backfill lopez' contract is **** insane on a level im not even sure i can comprehend. giannis is 100% asking out at some point in the next 12 months. nets have better guards than milwaukee and most of them havent played an nba game yet.

Yeah desperation levels are off the charts in Milwaukee, they're going to be a train wreck this year.

Really curious what made them go "all in" with KPJ as the lead guard

insanity? him and GTJ is arguably not better than CamT/Keon. Imagine in any world thinking those guys were contender quality?

the other 2 non-giannis starters are Kuzma and now Turner. Those 2 are arguably a worse pair (esp at costs) than MPJ/Claxton. Imagine in any world thinking they were contender quality?

and now the Bucks have 20m of dead cap they have to manage from stretching Lillard, they didnt just add 5 FRPs, and have very limited ammo to add more.

it's really impossible to understand what they are thinking. i think all their upcoming firsts can be pick swapped through the end of the lillard stretch hit too. why they didnt just keep him through this injured season is beyond mind boggling.

[vincecarter4pres]

Talent-wise it's a wash. We're adding about $17mil per for the next 2 years and getting one of the most valuable, albeit distant picks out there.

I love the distant unprotected picks though, they're so unpredictable but have had franchise altering impacts in the past when they break right...

Not a huge MPJ fan, he just turned 27 a day ago so not sure how much more room for growth there.. He's surprisingly played in 77 and 81 games the last two years, but wow o wow look at how abysmal his ability to draw fouls is.

Did VC4Pres have a huge man crush on this dude, or am I misremembering?

Lol don’t believe so, I was lukewarm at best on him, especially because of his back issues and his severe allergic reaction to passing.

After Luka, iirc my 4 big man crushes in that draft in order, were:

JJJ
Zhaire Smith
Mikal Bridges
Lonnie Walker

[Paradise]

It’s official: We acquired two more 2nd round picks (2026, 2030) for Kevin Durant from Houston.

I believe this makes it 16 2nd round picks through 2030.

Sean Marks might be the first GM to gain draft picks twice from the same player he traded first.