The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

WeekapaugGroove · Post #61 » by **WeekapaugGroove** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:39 pm

Seems like a good deal for both sides. Denver upgrades and gets off MPJ money. Nets get an unprotected when Jokic will be old and maybe Porters gets to shoot a million times this year and they can flip him for something.

Post #62 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:42 pm

I'm going to say something that might be a bit divisive but I've kinda gone the other way on the Williams trade. At first I thought value was fine, 2 late FRP's isn't going to break the draft bank but as I laid out the moves we made and what we walked away with in the end, it's kinda poor value and to be completely frank, could we have made do with Nick Richards as the placeholder starting 5 but splitting time with Maluach?

1. Richards isn't as good as Williams and I know people weren't happy with him last season but he's great value and gives you the big man basics
2. Doesn't create a logjam at the 5 between Williams and our C of the future, Maluach
3. Richards is also the sensible/logical starting 5 in name only, holding down the position until Maluach has had a few months NBA games under his belt and you can then gradually rework the balance in minutes between Richards and Maluach.
4. If we didn't do the Williams trade, Fleming would still have been there because he was available at #29 and we get to keep the 2029 pick for something else
5. The Fleming move also cost a net of 4 future SRP. There were 2 future seconds that went to Brooklyn for the #36 which we then packaged with another 2 future SRPs to get the Wolves' #31. Is that really a good use of most of the SRP haul we got from the KD trade?

TeamTragic · Post #63 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:44 pm

lilfishi22 wrote:I'm going to say something that might be a bit divisive but I've kinda gone the other way on the Williams trade. At first I thought value was fine, 2 late FRP's isn't going to break the draft bank but as I laid out the moves we made and what we walked away with in the end, it's kinda poor value and to be completely frank, could we have made do with Nick Richards as the placeholder starting 5 but splitting time with Maluach?

1. Richards isn't as good as Williams and I know people weren't happy with him last season but he's great value and gives you the big man basics
2. Doesn't create a logjam at the 5 between Williams and our C of the future, Maluach
3. Richards is also the sensible/logical starting 5 in name only, holding down the position until Maluach has had a few months NBA games under his belt and you can then gradually rework the balance in minutes between Richards and Maluach.
4. If we didn't do the Williams trade, Fleming would still have been there because he was available at #29 and we get to keep the 2029 pick for something else
5. The Fleming move also cost a net of 4 future SRP. There were 2 future seconds that went to Brooklyn for the #36 which we then packaged with another 2 future SRPs to get the Wolves' #31. Is that really a good use of most of the SRP haul we got from the KD trade?

What is going on with hyperbole? There is no guarantee anyone would be on the board and the Suns did amazing in the draft.

Post #64 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:46 pm

Qwigglez wrote:

Read on Twitter

How much money do the Lakers have left? Can they still get DA?

That should be their MLE? Where they gonna get money for DA?

Post #65 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:49 pm

Oh this one is kind of a big deal IMO.

Read on Twitter

This makes me think CP3 will be going to Clips.

TeamTragic · Post #66 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:50 pm

Anyone want to check on what Giannis thinks do far? :lol:

mkot · Post #67 » by **mkot** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:51 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Oh this one is kind of a big deal IMO.

Read on Twitter

All the center coming to the West damn

BobbieL · Post #68 » by **BobbieL** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:51 pm

OKC -- loaded
Houston - loaded
Denver -- getting Brown and Cam - loaded
Memphis - should be good
Spurs are better

There is even less reason than two hours ago for the Suns to stretch and waive Beal
just suck it up - take their lumps and move on

Rebound Mound · Post #69 » by **Rebound Mound** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:52 pm

The Rockets are loaded.
Three centers and Sengun,
Then KD and Finney-Smith.
Thomsn and Eason, Whitmore, VV, Holiday, Green...

TeamTragic · Post #70 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:52 pm

BobbieL wrote:OKC -- loaded
Houston - loaded
Denver -- getting Brown and Cam - loaded
Memphis - should be good
Spurs are better

There is even less reason than two hours ago for the Suns to stretch and waive Beal
just suck it up - take their lumps and move on

Nuggets are loaded?

Post #71 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:52 pm

Who is the starting center for the Bucks now? That's a big loss IMO. Unless they are getting DA. :lol:

TeamTragic · Post #72 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:53 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Who is the starting center for the Bucks now? That's a big loss IMO. Unless they are getting DA.

Can they afford him? Perfect way to get Giannis to request a trade though.

Post #73 » by **Qwigglez** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:55 pm

Trade idea...

Suns -
John Collins
Jusuf Nurkic

Jazz -
Bradley Beal

Utah is a great place to raise your kids Brad! Suns really want Nurkic back.

TeamTragic · Post #74 » by **TeamTragic** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:57 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Trade idea...

Suns -
John Collins
Jusuf Nurkic

Jazz -
Bradley Beal

Utah is a great place to raise your kids Brad! Suns really want Nurkic back.

This is gross and you should be demoted lol

DirtyDez · Post #75 » by **DirtyDez** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:57 pm

Qwigglez wrote:Trade idea...

Suns -
John Collins
Jusuf Nurkic

Jazz -
Bradley Beal

Utah is a great place to raise your kids Brad! Suns really want Nurkic back.

Beal knows we’re gonna waive him so why accept a trade when you could be getting paid by two different teams?

Post #76 » by **lilfishi22** » Mon Jun 30, 2025 11:58 pm

TeamTragic wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I'm going to say something that might be a bit divisive but I've kinda gone the other way on the Williams trade. At first I thought value was fine, 2 late FRP's isn't going to break the draft bank but as I laid out the moves we made and what we walked away with in the end, it's kinda poor value and to be completely frank, could we have made do with Nick Richards as the placeholder starting 5 but splitting time with Maluach?

1. Richards isn't as good as Williams and I know people weren't happy with him last season but he's great value and gives you the big man basics
2. Doesn't create a logjam at the 5 between Williams and our C of the future, Maluach
3. Richards is also the sensible/logical starting 5 in name only, holding down the position until Maluach has had a few months NBA games under his belt and you can then gradually rework the balance in minutes between Richards and Maluach.
4. If we didn't do the Williams trade, Fleming would still have been there because he was available at #29 and we get to keep the 2029 pick for something else
5. The Fleming move also cost a net of 4 future SRP. There were 2 future seconds that went to Brooklyn for the #36 which we then packaged with another 2 future SRPs to get the Wolves' #31. Is that really a good use of most of the SRP haul we got from the KD trade?

What is going on with hyperbole? There is no guarantee anyone would be on the board and the Suns did amazing in the draft.

What hyperbole? Fleming was there at #29, we picked at #31.

TeamTragic · Post #77 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:00 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I'm going to say something that might be a bit divisive but I've kinda gone the other way on the Williams trade. At first I thought value was fine, 2 late FRP's isn't going to break the draft bank but as I laid out the moves we made and what we walked away with in the end, it's kinda poor value and to be completely frank, could we have made do with Nick Richards as the placeholder starting 5 but splitting time with Maluach?

1. Richards isn't as good as Williams and I know people weren't happy with him last season but he's great value and gives you the big man basics
2. Doesn't create a logjam at the 5 between Williams and our C of the future, Maluach
3. Richards is also the sensible/logical starting 5 in name only, holding down the position until Maluach has had a few months NBA games under his belt and you can then gradually rework the balance in minutes between Richards and Maluach.
4. If we didn't do the Williams trade, Fleming would still have been there because he was available at #29 and we get to keep the 2029 pick for something else
5. The Fleming move also cost a net of 4 future SRP. There were 2 future seconds that went to Brooklyn for the #36 which we then packaged with another 2 future SRPs to get the Wolves' #31. Is that really a good use of most of the SRP haul we got from the KD trade?

What is going on with hyperbole? There is no guarantee anyone would be on the board and the Suns did amazing in the draft.

What hyperbole? Fleming was there at #29, we picked at #31.

Fish what is your point? You act like SRP are valuable which they aren't for most teams.

The FO absolutely cooked in the draft. I'm trying to understand what you are complaining about exactly.

Sunsdeuce · Post #78 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:00 am

Qwigglez wrote:Trade idea...

Suns -
John Collins
Jusuf Nurkic

Jazz -
Bradley Beal

Utah is a great place to raise your kids Brad! Suns really want Nurkic back.

Not sure if serious

Post #79 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:00 am

TeamTragic wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
What is going on with hyperbole? There is no guarantee anyone would be on the board and the Suns did amazing in the draft.

What hyperbole? Fleming was there at #29, we picked at #31.

Fish what is your point? You act like SRP are valuable which they aren't for most teams.

The FO absolutely cooked in the draft. I'm trying to understand what you are complaining about exactly.

My point? I made 5 of them

TeamTragic · Post #80 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:01 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:What hyperbole? Fleming was there at #29, we picked at #31.

Fish what is your point? You act like SRP are valuable which they aren't for most teams.

The FO absolutely cooked in the draft. I'm trying to understand what you are complaining about exactly.

My point? I made 5 of them

You are complaining about a few SRP? Come on dude.

How many wins do you expect the Suns to have this season?