The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

Post #81 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:03 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Trade idea...

Suns -
John Collins
Jusuf Nurkic

Jazz -
Bradley Beal

Utah is a great place to raise your kids Brad! Suns really want Nurkic back.

Not sure if serious

I'm just trying to find trades that help get the Suns under the 2nd apron. Nurkic is just there for matching purposes. Collins would be a good starting PF IMO.

Post #82 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:03 am

TeamTragic wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Fish what is your point? You act like SRP are valuable which they aren't for most teams.

The FO absolutely cooked in the draft. I'm trying to understand what you are complaining about exactly.

My point? I made 5 of them

You are complaining about a few SRP? Come on dude.

It's poor value. 4 FRPs for a guy we could've taken with #29. I also think Williams create more problems than it solves especially with his health and looming extension

Sunsdeuce · Post #83 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:04 am

I’m still confused what the Suns are doing. Still messy in suns land. I know a lot of people liked their draft picks and all but still not convinced they have a real path forward (near term or long term).

BobbieL · Post #84 » by **BobbieL** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:04 am

Qwigglez wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Trade idea...

Suns -
John Collins
Jusuf Nurkic

Jazz -
Bradley Beal

Utah is a great place to raise your kids Brad! Suns really want Nurkic back.

Not sure if serious

I'm just trying to find trades that help get the Suns under the 2nd apron. Nurkic is just there for matching purposes. Collins would be a good starting PF IMO.

Suns get under the apron levels by dumping allen and o'neale for as little as possible coming back

Fo-Real · Post #85 » by **Fo-Real** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:08 am

mkot wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Oh this one is kind of a big deal IMO.

Read on Twitter

All the center coming to the West damn

Sounds like the Bucks can use some Nick Richards

TeamTragic · Post #86 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:09 am

Fo-Real wrote:
mkot wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Oh this one is kind of a big deal IMO.

Read on Twitter

All the center coming to the West damn

Sounds like the Bucks can use some Nick Richards

Richards and Ayton both available.

Sunsdeuce · Post #87 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:09 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:My point? I made 5 of them

You are complaining about a few SRP? Come on dude.

It's poor value. 4 FRPs for a guy we could've taken with #29. I also think Williams create more problems than it solves especially with his health and looming extension

I’m going to go ahead and agree with you here. It’s a mess and it’s a mess that could/should have been avoided. Took a project center. Overpaid through assets for an injury riddled center with no distinguishable plan long term. Still no PG. Salary cap hell. No draft picks. Can’t be bad because you have no draft picks, cant be good because you have no money to spare and an unbalanced roster.

Ask me what the worst possible position a team can be in and my answer would be this!

Post #88 » by **lilfishi22** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:10 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:I’m still confused what the Suns are doing. Still messy in suns land. I know a lot of people liked their draft picks and all but still not convinced they have a real path forward (near term or long term).

I'm happy with the prospects we walked away with, I just think we overplayed our hand to get it done. Williams trade is ok value wise but it's questionable whether we actually needed to do it at all and now that it's done, it's introduced more questions as to how we're going to manage Maluach and Williams moving forward. Like I get Maluach won't be ready Day 1 and I appreciate he'll need time to get his feet wet....but we already kinda had the perfect placeholder 5 in a low cost C in Richards who's on a 1yr $6m a year. With Williams, we probably have him for another 4yrs assuming he gets resigned.

TeamTragic · Post #89 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:10 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
You are complaining about a few SRP? Come on dude.

It's poor value. 4 FRPs for a guy we could've taken with #29. I also think Williams create more problems than it solves especially with his health and looming extension

I’m going to go ahead and agree with you here. It’s a mess and it’s a mess that could/should have been avoided. Took a project center. Overpaid through assets for an injury riddled center with no distinguishable plan long term. Still no PG. Salary cap hell. No draft picks. Can’t be bad because you have no draft picks, cant be good because you have no money to spare and an unbalanced roster.

Ask me what the worst possible position a team can be in and my answer would be this!

Daring today aren't we!

Sunsdeuce · Post #90 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:12 am

TeamTragic wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:It's poor value. 4 FRPs for a guy we could've taken with #29. I also think Williams create more problems than it solves especially with his health and looming extension

I’m going to go ahead and agree with you here. It’s a mess and it’s a mess that could/should have been avoided. Took a project center. Overpaid through assets for an injury riddled center with no distinguishable plan long term. Still no PG. Salary cap hell. No draft picks. Can’t be bad because you have no draft picks, cant be good because you have no money to spare and an unbalanced roster.

Ask me what the worst possible position a team can be in and my answer would be this!

Daring today aren't we!

You should take a break. You don’t have to be pissed at everyone, everyday, ya know. Just saying.

TeamTragic · Post #91 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:14 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:I’m going to go ahead and agree with you here. It’s a mess and it’s a mess that could/should have been avoided. Took a project center. Overpaid through assets for an injury riddled center with no distinguishable plan long term. Still no PG. Salary cap hell. No draft picks. Can’t be bad because you have no draft picks, cant be good because you have no money to spare and an unbalanced roster.

Ask me what the worst possible position a team can be in and my answer would be this!

Daring today aren't we!

You should take a break. You don’t have to be pissed at everyone, everyday, ya know. Just saying.

Take your own advice SD. Find a team that you think is doing a better job and post on their board.

wheezy · Post #92 » by **wheezy** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:15 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:My point? I made 5 of them

You are complaining about a few SRP? Come on dude.

It's poor value. 4 FRPs for a guy we could've taken with #29. I also think Williams create more problems than it solves especially with his health and looming extension

Could be OK value if you treat the trades separately. The Williams trade is entirely contingent on his health, which could go either way to be honest. Good read here on his previous injuries: https://www.reddit.com/r/lakers/comments/1iivtsy/mark_williams_injury_history/ -> I'd be curious what the foot injury was specifically, because nothing else seems too bad. Hasn't ever required surgery.

Suns did save money drafting Fleming at 31 instead of holding steady at 29 and drafting him there.

wheezy · Post #93 » by **wheezy** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:20 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:I’m going to go ahead and agree with you here. It’s a mess and it’s a mess that could/should have been avoided. Took a project center. Overpaid through assets for an injury riddled center with no distinguishable plan long term. Still no PG. Salary cap hell. No draft picks. Can’t be bad because you have no draft picks, cant be good because you have no money to spare and an unbalanced roster.

Ask me what the worst possible position a team can be in and my answer would be this!

Daring today aren't we!

You should take a break. You don’t have to be pissed at everyone, everyday, ya know. Just saying.

The default response from some posters lately has either been "you don't know bball" or "go find another team!", because of course everyone with a differing opinion is clearly dumb or should stop rooting for the suns....

Post #94 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:21 am

Tyus to Magic

Read on Twitter

TeamTragic · Post #95 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:21 am

NAW to the Hawks. Wolves just lost him for nothing.

Sunsdeuce · Post #96 » by **Sunsdeuce** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:22 am

wheezy wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:
Daring today aren't we!

You should take a break. You don’t have to be pissed at everyone, everyday, ya know. Just saying.

The default response from some posters lately has either been "you don't know bball" or "go find another team!", because of course everyone with a differing opinion is clearly dumb or should stop rooting for the suns....

You nailed it.

TeamTragic · Post #97 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:23 am

Qwigglez wrote:Tyus to Magic

Read on Twitter

Good for him. I guess we are not going after CP3 per Gambo?

dremill24 · Post #98 » by **dremill24** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:23 am

TeamTragic wrote:
Qwigglez wrote:Trade idea...

Suns -
John Collins
Jusuf Nurkic

Jazz -
Bradley Beal

Utah is a great place to raise your kids Brad! Suns really want Nurkic back.

This is gross and you should be demoted lol

Catching un-called-for toxicity from the Suns perspective when its the Jazz likely hanging up pretty quickly, wild lol

Post #99 » by **Qwigglez** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:24 am

TeamTragic wrote:NAW to the Hawks. Wolves just lost him for nothing.

Really happy that someone from the West went to the East.

TeamTragic · Post #100 » by **TeamTragic** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:24 am

Qwigglez wrote:
TeamTragic wrote:NAW to the Hawks. Wolves just lost him for nothing.

Really happy that someone from the West went to the East.

East is pretty open next season.

How many wins do you expect the Suns to have this season?