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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#101 » by m0ng0 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:08 pm

The Sebastian Express wrote:But you're assuming he's going to be on the bench. We have no idea what the season will start as. We all assumed we would still have Simons and DA on the roster. We don't. So many of you are assuming Jrue will start. We don't know. You're assuming that CP3, who has talked about how he's been away from his kids, would sign here to be a mentor rather than you know.. want to ring chase or be closer to home.

You're all assuming this major negativity to fuel your rage and anger but it's just assumptions. Like please feel free to be upset, but I think there's reasonable levels of being upset and then there's the oh, okay, it's just a game and maybe take a breath kinds of anger.
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Post#102 » by zzaj » Mon Jun 30, 2025 8:49 pm

The Sebastian Express wrote:But you're assuming he's going to be on the bench. We have no idea what the season will start as. We all assumed we would still have Simons and DA on the roster. We don't. So many of you are assuming Jrue will start. We don't know. You're assuming that CP3, who has talked about how he's been away from his kids, would sign here to be a mentor rather than you know.. want to ring chase or be closer to home.

You're all assuming this major negativity to fuel your rage and anger but it's just assumptions. Like please feel free to be upset, but I think there's reasonable levels of being upset and then there's the oh, okay, it's just a game and maybe take a breath kinds of anger.


Somebody (Maybe Wiz?) pointed out the minutes breakdown under Chauncey, and it's VERY vet heavy. I think we have to assume that Jrue is going to start at the beginning of the season, based on that plus a couple of other factors. OFC, I'd love for either of Sharpe or Scoot to come in and beat him out for a starting spot, but that's going to be a tall order based on Jrue's pedigree and what the other two have accomplished so far in their young NBA careers.

I'm REALLY curious if there is another move in the works with both Walker and Banton not getting picked up, and the likely 12-15M or so the Blazers will be under the cap after Ayton. Who knows? Could involve Jrue and Grant...
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#103 » by DusterBuster » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:17 pm

The Sebastian Express wrote:But you're assuming he's going to be on the bench. We have no idea what the season will start as. We all assumed we would still have Simons and DA on the roster. We don't. So many of you are assuming Jrue will start. We don't know. You're assuming that CP3, who has talked about how he's been away from his kids, would sign here to be a mentor rather than you know.. want to ring chase or be closer to home.

You're all assuming this major negativity to fuel your rage and anger but it's just assumptions. Like please feel free to be upset, but I think there's reasonable levels of being upset and then there's the oh, okay, it's just a game and maybe take a breath kinds of anger.


Sure, it may not be that he's on the bench. The past two seasons of history and Billups would suggest... he will be on the bench and Jrue will start. It seems kind of foolish imo to assume that the 32mil 6 time all star Jrue Holiday will come off the bench... but sure... anything is possible and maybe Scoot year 3 is something we have all been hoping for.

And I don't have rage or anger, just frustrations at a totally aimless rebuild. I'm someone who also preaches that its just a game and don't get upset cause your team reaches for a pick you dont agree with or makes moves that aren't what you personally want to see. I've said as much in the past 2 weeks on here. That said, I think it's fair after 3 years of just complete and utter random moves to finally be like... hey... wtf are you all doing up there in One Center Court. Pick a lane ya'll, this is getting stupid. I've been pushing for the youth movement and I'm happy to see those moves made, but also it's clear the youth movement isn't what they want - and partially being forced upon them with DA. I want a GM who has some cojones to have a plan and execute that. Even if I don't agree with it, have a vision/plan. It's very clear there's zero plan here and the vision is just blowing in the direction of the wind from one day to another.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#104 » by m0ng0 » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:36 pm

Just because you don't understand the plan does not mean there is no plan, maybe your playing checkers and they are playing chess, you dont even have the right to know what their plan is, because you would spill the beans :lol:
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#105 » by Butter » Mon Jun 30, 2025 9:49 pm

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The Sebastian Express wrote:But you're assuming he's going to be on the bench. We have no idea what the season will start as. We all assumed we would still have Simons and DA on the roster. We don't. So many of you are assuming Jrue will start. We don't know. You're assuming that CP3, who has talked about how he's been away from his kids, would sign here to be a mentor rather than you know.. want to ring chase or be closer to home.

You're all assuming this major negativity to fuel your rage and anger but it's just assumptions. Like please feel free to be upset, but I think there's reasonable levels of being upset and then there's the oh, okay, it's just a game and maybe take a breath kinds of anger.


Sure, it may not be that he's on the bench. The past two seasons of history and Billups would suggest... he will be on the bench and Jrue will start. It seems kind of foolish imo to assume that the 32mil 6 time all star Jrue Holiday will come off the bench... but sure... anything is possible and maybe Scoot year 3 is something we have all been hoping for.

And I don't have rage or anger, just frustrations at a totally aimless rebuild. I'm someone who also preaches that its just a game and don't get upset cause your team reaches for a pick you dont agree with or makes moves that aren't what you personally want to see. I've said as much in the past 2 weeks on here. That said, I think it's fair after 3 years of just complete and utter random moves to finally be like... hey... wtf are you all doing up there in One Center Court. Pick a lane ya'll, this is getting stupid. I've been pushing for the youth movement and I'm happy to see those moves made, but also it's clear the youth movement isn't what they want - and partially being forced upon them with DA. I want a GM who has some cojones to have a plan and execute that. Even if I don't agree with it, have a vision/plan. It's very clear there's zero plan here and the vision is just blowing in the direction of the wind from one day to another.


But a 3 guard rotation of Scoot, Jrue and Shaedon is pretty solid. Split evenly, thats about 32 mins per.

If they want to keep Jrue fresh, they could even through 10-12 mins to a 4th guard.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#106 » by zzaj » Mon Jun 30, 2025 10:08 pm

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DusterBuster wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:But you're assuming he's going to be on the bench. We have no idea what the season will start as. We all assumed we would still have Simons and DA on the roster. We don't. So many of you are assuming Jrue will start. We don't know. You're assuming that CP3, who has talked about how he's been away from his kids, would sign here to be a mentor rather than you know.. want to ring chase or be closer to home.

You're all assuming this major negativity to fuel your rage and anger but it's just assumptions. Like please feel free to be upset, but I think there's reasonable levels of being upset and then there's the oh, okay, it's just a game and maybe take a breath kinds of anger.


Sure, it may not be that he's on the bench. The past two seasons of history and Billups would suggest... he will be on the bench and Jrue will start. It seems kind of foolish imo to assume that the 32mil 6 time all star Jrue Holiday will come off the bench... but sure... anything is possible and maybe Scoot year 3 is something we have all been hoping for.

And I don't have rage or anger, just frustrations at a totally aimless rebuild. I'm someone who also preaches that its just a game and don't get upset cause your team reaches for a pick you dont agree with or makes moves that aren't what you personally want to see. I've said as much in the past 2 weeks on here. That said, I think it's fair after 3 years of just complete and utter random moves to finally be like... hey... wtf are you all doing up there in One Center Court. Pick a lane ya'll, this is getting stupid. I've been pushing for the youth movement and I'm happy to see those moves made, but also it's clear the youth movement isn't what they want - and partially being forced upon them with DA. I want a GM who has some cojones to have a plan and execute that. Even if I don't agree with it, have a vision/plan. It's very clear there's zero plan here and the vision is just blowing in the direction of the wind from one day to another.


But a 3 guard rotation of Scoot, Jrue and Shaedon is pretty solid. Split evenly, thats about 32 mins per.

If they want to keep Jrue fresh, they could even through 10-12 mins to a 4th guard.


I'd actually think either a small ball C or a PG that can create his own shot and hit 3s (both C&S and off of movement) would be a priority if the Blazers are to add anybody. I doubt that 4th guard is available though for the price that the Blazers can pay.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#107 » by Case2012 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:03 am

Joe paid Ayton 25 million in a buy out so he could recoup his value by playing with Luka and Lebron and look like AD in the PNR. There was absolutely a market for Ayton, it's LA. He'll get the MLE and make about 40 million (this year) to be a lob threat. The Lakers clearly wanted him but they didnt want to give up assets and we didnt want to take their crap to make it happen.

This would all be pretty funny if we weren't Blazers fans.


Joe wanted 2 first for Jeremy last summer, I wonder how many seconds we'll attach to send him out. We'll find out in the next few days.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#108 » by m0ng0 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:16 am

Case2012 wrote:Joe paid Ayton 25 million in a buy out so he could recoup his value by playing with Luka and Lebron and look like AD in the PNR. There was absolutely a market for Ayton, it's LA. He'll get the MLE and make about 40 million (this year) to be a lob threat. The Lakers clearly wanted him but they didnt want to give up assets and we didnt want to take their crap to make it happen.

This would all be pretty funny if we weren't Blazers fans.


Joe wanted 2 first for Jeremy last summer, I wonder how many seconds we'll attach to send him out. We'll find out in the next few days.


Should we have kept him instead? Should we keep Grant? You are the genius GM... you know all ?
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#109 » by cucad8 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:20 am

Case2012 wrote:Joe paid Ayton 25 million in a buy out so he could recoup his value by playing with Luka and Lebron and look like AD in the PNR. There was absolutely a market for Ayton, it's LA. He'll get the MLE and make about 40 million (this year) to be a lob threat. The Lakers clearly wanted him but they didnt want to give up assets and we didnt want to take their crap to make it happen.

This would all be pretty funny if we weren't Blazers fans.


Joe wanted 2 first for Jeremy last summer, I wonder how many seconds we'll attach to send him out. We'll find out in the next few days.

They didn't want to give up assets. So...what's your plan then? Force them to? Pay Ayton his full salary to block Clingan?
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Post#110 » by Case2012 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:30 am

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Case2012 wrote:Joe paid Ayton 25 million in a buy out so he could recoup his value by playing with Luka and Lebron and look like AD in the PNR. There was absolutely a market for Ayton, it's LA. He'll get the MLE and make about 40 million (this year) to be a lob threat. The Lakers clearly wanted him but they didnt want to give up assets and we didnt want to take their crap to make it happen.

This would all be pretty funny if we weren't Blazers fans.


Joe wanted 2 first for Jeremy last summer, I wonder how many seconds we'll attach to send him out. We'll find out in the next few days.

They didn't want to give up assets. So...what's your plan then? Force them to? Pay Ayton his full salary to block Clingan?
Seriously?


I'm not sure what you're trying to say, I'm just describing the situation as i see it.

The more i hear, the more i believe this was a sneaky under the table trade with Grant as the target, so we can get Knecht and maybe (hopefully) a pick.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#111 » by The Sebastian Express » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:34 am

I'm sure we'll see some reasonable and measure -

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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#112 » by m0ng0 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:58 am

Case2012 wrote:
cucad8 wrote:
Case2012 wrote:Joe paid Ayton 25 million in a buy out so he could recoup his value by playing with Luka and Lebron and look like AD in the PNR. There was absolutely a market for Ayton, it's LA. He'll get the MLE and make about 40 million (this year) to be a lob threat. The Lakers clearly wanted him but they didnt want to give up assets and we didnt want to take their crap to make it happen.

This would all be pretty funny if we weren't Blazers fans.


Joe wanted 2 first for Jeremy last summer, I wonder how many seconds we'll attach to send him out. We'll find out in the next few days.

They didn't want to give up assets. So...what's your plan then? Force them to? Pay Ayton his full salary to block Clingan?
Seriously?


I'm not sure what you're trying to say, I'm just describing the situation as i see it.

The more i hear, the more i believe this was a sneaky under the table trade with Grant as the target, so we can get Knecht and maybe (hopefully) a pick.


Sorry man, I dont mean to be disrespectful, but you talk and you talk and you talk like you are somebody yet you come up with nba 2k type solutions, i know you are an emotional fella and I dont want to kick the beehive, but cmon man...People can complain, i get that, but i get mad when you/ they don't have a solution.
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Post#113 » by GEE » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:20 am

Didn't Goldblum mention a while back the possibility of some 3 for 3 trade with us cutting one of the returning players? With the Lakers maybe?

OUTGOING;
Jerami Grant
31 year old, 6-7, 210 lb F from Syracuse
14.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.1 apg in 32.4 minutes in 2024-2025
Duop Reath
29 year old, 6-9, 245 lb C from LSU
4.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.2 minutes in 2024-2025
Sidy Cissoko
21 year old, 6-6, 200 lb GF from NBA G League Ignite
1.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 5.2 minutes in 2024-2025

INCOMING;
Rui Hachimura
27 year old, 6-8, 230 lb F from Gonzaga
13.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.7 minutes in 2024-2025
Gabe Vincent
29 year old, 6-2, 200 lb G from UC Santa Barbara
6.4 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.2 minutes in 2024-2025
Jordan Goodwin
26 year old, 6-5, 215 lb SG from Saint Louis
5.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.4 apg in 18.7 minutes in 2024-2025

Cut Vincent or flip him for a bag of chips. Could Goodwin be worth taking a look at? Honestly don't know. Not thrilled about this really, but it would at least fit the 3 for 3 minus 1 scenario, and the Ayton + Grant to LA rumblings.

Throw them a couple worthless 2nds and get this thing done, maybe.... still don't know if I hate it or love it.
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Post#114 » by cucad8 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:22 am

GEE wrote:Didn't Goldblum mention a while back the possibility of some 3 for 3 trade with us cutting one of the returning players? With the Lakers maybe?

OUTGOING;
Jerami Grant
31 year old, 6-7, 210 lb F from Syracuse
14.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.1 apg in 32.4 minutes in 2024-2025
Duop Reath
29 year old, 6-9, 245 lb C from LSU
4.2 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 0.6 apg in 10.2 minutes in 2024-2025
Sidy Cissoko
21 year old, 6-6, 200 lb GF from NBA G League Ignite
1.5 ppg, 1.0 rpg, 0.7 apg in 5.2 minutes in 2024-2025

INCOMING;
Rui Hachimura
27 year old, 6-8, 230 lb F from Gonzaga
13.1 ppg, 5.0 rpg, 1.4 apg in 31.7 minutes in 2024-2025
Gabe Vincent
29 year old, 6-2, 200 lb G from UC Santa Barbara
6.4 ppg, 1.3 rpg, 1.4 apg in 21.2 minutes in 2024-2025
Jordan Goodwin
26 year old, 6-5, 215 lb SG from Saint Louis
5.6 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.4 apg in 18.7 minutes in 2024-2025

Cut Vincent or flip him for a bag of chips. Could Goodwin be worth taking a look at? Honestly don't know. Not thrilled about this really, but it would at least fit the 3 for 3 minus 1 scenario, and the Ayton + Grant to LA rumblings.


His reference was to Simons
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#115 » by grigs » Thu Jul 3, 2025 2:53 pm

DusterBuster wrote:
Village Idiot wrote:An important point is that both Ayton and Hansen Yang are represented by Clutch. The marketing opportunity of 300 million Chinesie NBA fans if Yang can become a solid rotation player are massive. For a team that is for sale that is a huge boon.

It'll be interesting to see the terms of the buy-out and what we end up doing with the MLE slot.Personally I am happy that we moved Ayton quickly. I really like the guys left on the roster. The team will be hard-nosed and defensive oriented. Despite we will probably struggle to make the playoffs next season but that means a lottery pick in a deep draft. From 2027 we give the Bulls our pick and from then we have control over Bucks picks for three years and an unprotected 1st from a team full of guys who spent last season injured. Personally I think Cronin is doing an impressive job. This team will be very likeable.


Everyone claiming on the GB that Ayton is not with Klutch.


Ayton’s agent is Bill Duffy with WME Sports as confirmed by this article https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45649142/lakers-reach-agreement-center-deandre-ayton
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Post#116 » by Wizenheimer » Thu Jul 3, 2025 4:45 pm

zzaj wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:But you're assuming he's going to be on the bench. We have no idea what the season will start as. We all assumed we would still have Simons and DA on the roster. We don't. So many of you are assuming Jrue will start. We don't know. You're assuming that CP3, who has talked about how he's been away from his kids, would sign here to be a mentor rather than you know.. want to ring chase or be closer to home.

You're all assuming this major negativity to fuel your rage and anger but it's just assumptions. Like please feel free to be upset, but I think there's reasonable levels of being upset and then there's the oh, okay, it's just a game and maybe take a breath kinds of anger.


Somebody (Maybe Wiz?) pointed out the minutes breakdown under Chauncey, and it's VERY vet heavy. I think we have to assume that Jrue is going to start at the beginning of the season, based on that plus a couple of other factors. OFC, I'd love for either of Sharpe or Scoot to come in and beat him out for a starting spot, but that's going to be a tall order based on Jrue's pedigree and what the other two have accomplished so far in their young NBA careers.


all I did was point out that over the last 3 seasons, Chauncey had 435 opportunities to NOT start any of Simons-Ayton-Grant and he chose to start somebody else exactly 0 out of 435 times.

so yeah, projecting Jrue as the starter is an assumption. But assumptions are the lifeblood of sports forums so forgive us all. I don't really have a significant problem with Jrue starting. I think Sharpe has probably earned the starting SG role; not so sure about Scoot. Main thing is I wanted Simons gone and he is. And I wanted Ayton gone, and he is. Grant doesn't bother me like those two guys did. In fact, if Portland would get the 2023-24 Grant rather than last year's Grant, he'd fit really well in the rotation

zzaj wrote:I'm REALLY curious if there is another move in the works with both Walker and Banton not getting picked up, and the likely 12-15M or so the Blazers will be under the cap after Ayton. Who knows? Could involve Jrue and Grant...


I doubt either will be back or involved in a S&T. It's possible I guess though unlikely. My hunch is this is pretty much the roster: 13 players under contract right now. They have to add a 14th but might keep the 15th slot open and carry their MLE into the season to possibly used as a TPE

I like Walker. I thought he was an effective end of bench player and a useful small-ball C. For that matter, I liked Trendon Watford too but apparently Cronin didn't like either enough to keep them
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Post#117 » by zzaj » Thu Jul 3, 2025 6:15 pm

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zzaj wrote:
The Sebastian Express wrote:But you're assuming he's going to be on the bench. We have no idea what the season will start as. We all assumed we would still have Simons and DA on the roster. We don't. So many of you are assuming Jrue will start. We don't know. You're assuming that CP3, who has talked about how he's been away from his kids, would sign here to be a mentor rather than you know.. want to ring chase or be closer to home.

You're all assuming this major negativity to fuel your rage and anger but it's just assumptions. Like please feel free to be upset, but I think there's reasonable levels of being upset and then there's the oh, okay, it's just a game and maybe take a breath kinds of anger.


Somebody (Maybe Wiz?) pointed out the minutes breakdown under Chauncey, and it's VERY vet heavy. I think we have to assume that Jrue is going to start at the beginning of the season, based on that plus a couple of other factors. OFC, I'd love for either of Sharpe or Scoot to come in and beat him out for a starting spot, but that's going to be a tall order based on Jrue's pedigree and what the other two have accomplished so far in their young NBA careers.


all I did was point out that over the last 3 seasons, Chauncey had 435 opportunities to NOT start any of Simons-Ayton-Grant and he chose to start somebody else exactly 0 out of 435 times.

so yeah, projecting Jrue as the starter is an assumption. But assumptions are the lifeblood of sports forums so forgive us all. I don't really have a significant problem with Jrue starting. I think Sharpe has probably earned the starting SG role; not so sure about Scoot. Main thing is I wanted Simons gone and he is. And I wanted Ayton gone, and he is. Grant doesn't bother me like those two guys did. In fact, if Portland would get the 2023-24 Grant rather than last year's Grant, he'd fit really well in the rotation

zzaj wrote:I'm REALLY curious if there is another move in the works with both Walker and Banton not getting picked up, and the likely 12-15M or so the Blazers will be under the cap after Ayton. Who knows? Could involve Jrue and Grant...


I doubt either will be back or involved in a S&T. It's possible I guess though unlikely. My hunch is this is pretty much the roster: 13 players under contract right now. They have to add a 14th but might keep the 15th slot open and carry their MLE into the season to possibly used as a TPE

I like Walker. I thought he was an effective end of bench player and a useful small-ball C. For that matter, I liked Trendon Watford too but apparently Cronin didn't like either enough to keep them


Yeah, the more I think about it the more a FA signing doesn't make a whole lot of sense with that 12-15M. It'd have to be for a 3rd stringer at basically every position, and that's more a minimum salary. I could see the value in adding a dedicated shooter, but those are likely gone by now in FA.

I think your hunch that roster is set for October is probably correct. As for who starts? It's likely anybody's guess...seems the team is letting players duke it out--which is exactly what should be happening if you're a non-playoff team.
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Post#118 » by JasonStern » Tue Jul 8, 2025 10:35 pm

Been trying to avoid the Blazers, but I've made enough friends and follow enough people that it's not possible.
So, correct me if I'm wrong. In 2025, we tanked for a 4th consecutive season. Intentional or unintentional.
Cronin and Billups get above performance level extensions (Wizenheimer would GM for minimum wage). This is our mind trust.
The team goes up for sale. But Cronin and Billups are either sunken costs or remaining. 50/50 chance the team gets relocated. Moda Center another sunken cost if that happens, but it's old and the money easily recoverable by moving to a larger market.
We use the lottery pick on "The Chinese Jokic" - which is just sugar coating Ha 2.0, but to make the team more friendly to the Chinese market for potential bidders.
We trade an expiring Simons with two 2nd round picks for a 35 year old Jrue Holiday owed $32,400,000/$34,800,000/$37,200,000. Like that's the missing piece. Say what you want about Simons, but he was expiring. Not a cancer. And 26 years old. If he expired, solid tenure. Best of luck going forward. But we don't even get Oregon Ducks great Payton Pritchard back, which wouldn't be a game changer on any level - just a cool move for the home state team to do.
We pay Ayton $25M to go play for the Lakers. Again, an expiring. Even if nobody wanted him, you could have had Simons and Ayton coming off the books after next season.
We realize Jrue is 35 and old and demand our two 2nd round picks back. Boston agrees because we traded for a 35 year old Jrue Holiday owed $32,400,000/$34,800,000/$37,200,000.
Dame gets cut. We have the full MLE to do something with. And while he's old, he's still a top 3 all-time Blazer (not going to get into rankings here for the sake of discussion, but no way he drops below 3). Can rehab. Only play home games. Only play a few minutes a night. Would pay for itself. Still has a ton of goodwill and love in Portland.
But no. Don't do that. We locked $100M into a cooked Jrue Holiday. For no reason.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#119 » by Dame Lizard » Wed Jul 9, 2025 12:03 am

JasonStern wrote:Been trying to avoid the Blazers, but I've made enough friends and follow enough people that it's not possible.
So, correct me if I'm wrong. In 2025, we tanked for a 4th consecutive season. Intentional or unintentional.
Cronin and Billups get above performance level extensions (Wizenheimer would GM for minimum wage). This is our mind trust.
The team goes up for sale. But Cronin and Billups are either sunken costs or remaining. 50/50 chance the team gets relocated. Moda Center another sunken cost if that happens, but it's old and the money easily recoverable by moving to a larger market.
We use the lottery pick on "The Chinese Jokic" - which is just sugar coating Ha 2.0, but to make the team more friendly to the Chinese market for potential bidders.
We trade an expiring Simons with two 2nd round picks for a 35 year old Jrue Holiday owed $32,400,000/$34,800,000/$37,200,000. Like that's the missing piece. Say what you want about Simons, but he was expiring. Not a cancer. And 26 years old. If he expired, solid tenure. Best of luck going forward. But we don't even get Oregon Ducks great Payton Pritchard back, which wouldn't be a game changer on any level - just a cool move for the home state team to do.
We pay Ayton $25M to go play for the Lakers. Again, an expiring. Even if nobody wanted him, you could have had Simons and Ayton coming off the books after next season.
We realize Jrue is 35 and old and demand our two 2nd round picks back. Boston agrees because we traded for a 35 year old Jrue Holiday owed $32,400,000/$34,800,000/$37,200,000.
Dame gets cut. We have the full MLE to do something with. And while he's old, he's still a top 3 all-time Blazer (not going to get into rankings here for the sake of discussion, but no way he drops below 3). Can rehab. Only play home games. Only play a few minutes a night. Would pay for itself. Still has a ton of goodwill and love in Portland.
But no. Don't do that. We locked $100M into a cooked Jrue Holiday. For no reason.
On the plus side, we did sign Caleb Love. Not the Oregon native K-Love we wanted for a long time. He's actually a legit signing and helps the Rip City Remix. And hopefully our summer league team.
I agree with most of this, although I think the relocation odds are probably 5%. Portland is a profitable NBA market, probably largely due to there being no NFL or MLB team here.

I also disagree that we should bring Dame back, and I doubt that he wants to return. Why wouldn't he sign for Boston or a contender? After all, that's why he left Portland in the first place. And we're far less competitive now than we were back then.
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Re: Making Sense of a Senseless Summer 

Post#120 » by JasonStern » Wed Jul 9, 2025 8:02 pm

Dame Lizard wrote:I agree with most of this, although I think the relocation odds are probably 5%. Portland is a profitable NBA market, probably largely due to there being no NFL or MLB team here.


It depends entirely on who ends up buying the team. There aren't a lot of people who have billions of dollars sitting around that could buy the Blazers. If it goes private equity, it probably stays but management remains at the current level of competency. The Hawks are a great example there. But if it gets bought by one of the billionaires in Seattle, not liking the chances. Likewise, if it gets bought by some Chinese guy/conglomerate, they have no ties to Portland. They could view a second team in the Bay as more financially viable. Or San Diego. Or Vegas. Tons of Chinese tourism in all 3 of these places.

If the team does relocate, an MLB team will almost certainly relocate here to fill the gap. I don't like baseball, so whatever.

Dame Lizard wrote:I also disagree that we should bring Dame back, and I doubt that he wants to return. Why wouldn't he sign for Boston or a contender? After all, that's why he left Portland in the first place. And we're far less competitive now than we were back then.


Dame tore his left achilles tendon. There's a decent chance he plays zero games this year. That's why the Bucks stretched him.

He still has a home, a dealership, and other investments in Portland. A 1+1 player option contract makes some sense. Be a veteran mentor. Do the P.R. tour. Then opt out if he fully recovers, or play a limited role before retiring. Free money.

People forget that Aldridge wanted to come back. Olshey was just a bitter f-tard that was fine milking Dame for 1st round playoff exits.

Golden State makes sense, though. Dame is from the Bay. But I'm pretty sure Boston is financially tapped out, and thus not able to sign him - either from the CBA or the luxury tax associated with paying a guy not to play.
I don't have a cool avatar image because Dame came home.

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