The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[enigmatics]

To be fair, it didn't work when we didn't have a PG in 2024 and it didn't really work when we had a PG in 2025. There also doesn't seem to be PG's lining up to sign with us on the minimum either and you got Book/Green probably splitting bringing up the ball duties.

I would've loved a proper PG like CP3 on this team and get everyone some easy shots but it doesn't seem like we're interested.

It didn't work in 2025 because we had a couple of boneheads in Booker and KD who stubbornly insisted on walking the ball up court and trying to be initiators or going full ISO mad. All the while grinding the offense to a halt and freezing Tyus out at times.

I for one am going to be so glad I don't have to watch KD doing that crap anymore. Booker's handles are still not good enough to beat press once the game gets tighter - doesn't have the frame or physicality for it either.

[SkyBill40]

As discussed by Bourguet both Booker and Green will bring the ball up the court.

We are not going for a traditional point guard which mirrored what was said by Gambo.

So we're looking for another season of failure is what you're saying? Because theast time we tried this, it failed miserably. Doesn't matter if it's Green or Beal as the second ball handler, it's going to end in the same way.

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To be fair, it didn't work when we didn't have a PG in 2024 and it didn't really work when we had a PG in 2025. There also doesn't seem to be PG's lining up to sign with us on the minimum either and you got Book/Green probably splitting bringing up the ball duties.

I would've loved a proper PG like CP3 on this team and get everyone some easy shots but it doesn't seem like we're interested.

Fair enough, but I think our money could be better used on finding one instead of finding another forward (even if this could be a sensible fit). Had we not traded for Williams, let go of Martin, let go of Micic... we might be in a place to get said PG. But, alas, here we are... again.

[BobbieL]

Speaking of the 2nd apron, it still absolutely blows my mind how well-planned and executed Boston's strategy was to get under it. From the moment Tatum went down to when they made those trades, they used that time really well to plan out their moves. Honestly, I didn’t think it was even possible given how far over the line they were.

They were also the first movers when it came to shedding salary. By acting fast, they ensured that teams with significant cap space hadn’t yet used it on other deals, which was critical for Boston. If other teams had made moves first, Boston might not have had a path to offload KP or Jrue and get under the 2nd apron.

Absolute masterclass by Stevens

Yes agreed. The suns actually added salary with Williams if you go by the fact Micic was going to be released.

Just hope the can still trade Richards . My guess they will and either Royce or Grayson - just have to see when

[Puff]

1. We have 4 new players to watch that could be around for a while.
2. We have a new head coach that could change the way we have played recently.
3. We have a new GM that appears to know what he wants and is trying to get it done. That means high quality players that want to work and compete.
4. We still are not done.

I am excited to watch this new team even if others are not.

[Ghost of Kleine]

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[Sunsdeuce]

Speaking of the 2nd apron, it still absolutely blows my mind how well-planned and executed Boston's strategy was to get under it. From the moment Tatum went down to when they made those trades, they used that time really well to plan out their moves. Honestly, I didn’t think it was even possible given how far over the line they were.

They were also the first movers when it came to shedding salary. By acting fast, they ensured that teams with significant cap space hadn’t yet used it on other deals, which was critical for Boston. If other teams had made moves first, Boston might not have had a path to offload KP or Jrue and get under the 2nd apron.

Absolute masterclass by Stevens

The best leaders (in this case owner) hire people smarter than they are and trusts them to do their job without interference.

[SkyBill40]

As discussed by Bourguet both Booker and Green will bring the ball up the court.

We are not going for a traditional point guard which mirrored what was said by Gambo.

So we're looking for another season of failure is what you're saying? Because theast time we tried this, it failed miserably. Doesn't matter if it's Green or Beal as the second ball handler, it's going to end in the same way.

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So we going into another season of you whining ? Yes, expecting that

You realize , with a good coach, green and Booker bringing ball up, we are good! Also I think suns get CP3 or Westbrook. Offseason isn’t even done yet

FOH with that nonsense, acting as though you're not puffing on someone's meat pipe all season.

Some of the takes you drop are asinine. And tired. So if you feel the need to sit here and come at me for having feelings that aren't all rah rah for the team's malfeasance, I'm here for it. Go ahead and put me on your foes while you're at it and save me the trouble.

And I'll take a strike for this if one gets issued.



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[TeamTragic]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/DLpp8hVcrB

[Quick] The tardiness to team flights and practices, according to a team source. The skipping of rehabilitation appointments. Fans saw him (Ayton) slam chairs when he was taken out of games. And a team source said there were tantrums in the locker room when he was sidelined for poor effort.

[Sunsdeuce]

https://www.si.com/nba/chris-paul-free-agency-decision-two-teams-previously-played

I’m willing to bet Chris Paul’s only hesitation to sign with LA is JAmes Harden. They didn’t exactly like each other. I think if Harden wasn’t in LA, this would be done already.

[lilfishi22]

Speaking of the 2nd apron, it still absolutely blows my mind how well-planned and executed Boston's strategy was to get under it. From the moment Tatum went down to when they made those trades, they used that time really well to plan out their moves. Honestly, I didn’t think it was even possible given how far over the line they were.

They were also the first movers when it came to shedding salary. By acting fast, they ensured that teams with significant cap space hadn’t yet used it on other deals, which was critical for Boston. If other teams had made moves first, Boston might not have had a path to offload KP or Jrue and get under the 2nd apron.

Absolute masterclass by Stevens

The best leaders (in this case owner) hire people smarter than they are and trusts them to do their job without interference.

That's basic business acumen, you do what you're good at and bring in the best to do what you're not good at. It remains to be seen with Gregory and Ott but at this point based on what we know/seen, I don't think they are the best at what they do. But that could obviously change over time and with more to evaluate.

[lilfishi22]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/DLpp8hVcrB

[Quick] The tardiness to team flights and practices, according to a team source. The skipping of rehabilitation appointments. Fans saw him (Ayton) slam chairs when he was taken out of games. And a team source said there were tantrums in the locker room when he was sidelined for poor effort.

[lilfishi22]

As a Gillespie fan, if we don't sign a PG.....

[bigfoot]

Assuming Durant and Williams trades are finalized ...

Under contract
1. Booker
2. Green
3. Beal
4. Brooks
5. Allen
6. O'Neale
7. Williams
8. Richards
9. Gillispie
10. Dunn
11. Ighodaro
12. Hayes-Davis

Rookies
13. Maluach
14. Fleming

Spots left
15.

Two-way
1. CJ Huntley
2.
3.

[lilfishi22]

Assuming Durant and Williams trades are finalized ...

Under contract
1. Booker
2. Green
3. Beal
4. Brooks
5. Allen
6. O'Neale
7. Williams
8. Richards
9. Gillispie
10. Dunn
11. Ighodaro
12. Hayes-Davis

Rookies
13. Maluach
14. Fleming

Spots left
15.

Two-way
1. CJ Huntley
2.
3.

You're missing Klay Lite. He's probably a 2 way guy

[thamadkant]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/DLpp8hVcrB

[Quick] The tardiness to team flights and practices, according to a team source. The skipping of rehabilitation appointments. Fans saw him (Ayton) slam chairs when he was taken out of games. And a team source said there were tantrums in the locker room when he was sidelined for poor effort.

And the bad mouthing begins. Not once did Ayton show any of those things in Phoenix. Except he was addicted to online gaming and was late to appointments because of that.

And Ayton showing anger on the court flipping chairs?

The biggest criticism of Ayton is that he is too laid back and doesnt care or put effort... lack of passion.

Yet the bad mouthing is now saying he is passionate enough to rattle chairs.

Welcome to the gaslighting to support narratives.

[KLEON]

As a Gillespie fan, if we don't sign a PG.....

He's our TJ McConnell

[dcoop]

So are we currently under the 2nd apron? Can we package players together right now?

You can look that up online.

[lilfishi22]

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/s/DLpp8hVcrB

And the bad mouthing begins. Not once did Ayton show any of those things in Phoenix. Except he was addicted to online gaming and was late to appointments because of that.

And Ayton showing anger on the court flipping chairs?

The biggest criticism of Ayton is that he is too laid back and doesnt care or put effort... lack of passion.

Yet the bad mouthing is now saying he is passionate enough to rattle chairs.

Welcome to the gaslighting to support narratives.

Two completely different fanbases couldn't be happier to see him leave. I dunno probably just a ye'olde coinkidink

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What team besides the Suns have the ability to match salaries for Lebron while possibly being able to compete? Sign CP3, get Bron. Still keep the youth. Can give up Nick Richards so they got their center.

[bigfoot]

Assuming Durant and Williams trades are finalized ...

Under contract
1. Booker
2. Green
3. Beal
4. Brooks
5. Allen
6. O'Neale
7. Williams
8. Richards
9. Gillispie
10. Dunn
11. Ighodaro
12. Hayes-Davis

Rookies
13. Maluach
14. Fleming
15. Brea

Two-way
1. CJ Huntley
2.
3.

You're missing Klay Lite. He's probably a 2 way guy

Corrected ... so we have no open spots left unless some trades go down

Edit: I can't imagine making Brea a two-way player when the Suns moved up to get higher second round picks.