Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Jon Horst the Wizard

tedbrogen · Post #1301 » by **tedbrogen** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:02 am

soxperry wrote:here's what i got assuming that Prince and Trent's contracts each count for the actual amount

Get ready to look for apartments in Brooklyn, Pat.

Bernman · Post #1302 » by **Bernman** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:03 am

Rstuedes24 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:
Bernman wrote:I don't know what big they could be working on for the MLE. Not much fits the bill. They'd almost have to be over-exaggerating.

Big would be a trade into the MLE, while probably attaching '31 &/or 32.

Herb Jones fits btw

Trey Murphy pls
He would be a crazy good pickup

Now that would fit the bill most to me, if he wants out of the Pels, after their dysfunction. Because he's actually a core player. He just doesn't fit into the MLE, and you'd need to use Kuz' contract. It's negative now. If they take it as a positive to add to the deal, they're the craziest FO.

tedbrogen · Post #1303 » by **tedbrogen** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:05 am

Bernman wrote:
Rstuedes24 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:

Herb Jones fits btw

Trey Murphy pls
He would be a crazy good pickup

Now that would fit the bill most to me, if he wants out of the Pels, after their dysfunction. Because he's actually a core player. He just doesn't fit into the MLE, and you'd need to use Kuz' contract. It's negative now. If they take it as a positive to add to the deal, they're the craziest FO.

Dumars is an idiot, so maybe he’d do Kuz/Pat/31/32swap for Murphy.

Rstuedes24 · Post #1304 » by **Rstuedes24** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:05 am

tedbrogen wrote:
Rstuedes24 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:

Herb Jones fits btw

Trey Murphy pls
He would be a crazy good pickup

He doesn’t fit into the MLE. For him you’d need to convince someone to take Kuz and Pat.

Kuzma, 31 and tpe would work right? Would allow us to use the mle

Rstuedes24 · Post #1305 » by **Rstuedes24** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:07 am

Adding a guy like Trey would be an A+ move. He would be an elite 3rd option and I think he has some more room to grow

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jschligs · Post #1306 » by **jschligs** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:07 am

Markkanen scares me. We'd have like $160m between 3 players for the next two years.

soxperry · Post #1307 » by **soxperry** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:10 am

there's just no way we are getting Trey Murphy for what we have available. he would get something closer to a Bane package, i would assume.

Herb Jones is much more realistic. The only problem is that he has had only one good shooting season with the rest far below league average.

rilamann · Post #1308 » by **rilamann** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:11 am

SupremeHustle wrote:If the Bucks and Giannis are cool with a 45-48 win season and want to rebuild on the fly, I'm good with that. What else can they do, really? That's what these moves feel like.

I honestly feel like the Bucks could be in the 50-54 win range.

But Doc is going to treat Prince like he's our 3rd best player while telling us that Kuzma is playing horrendous basketball because he's not getting enough touches.

So yeah, we'll probably be more in the 45-48 win range.

I am hyped that KPJ and Trent are back though.

soxperry · Post #1309 » by **soxperry** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:11 am

wait is it basically just us and the Lakers fighting over Ayton with Horford the consolation prize?

German Athens · Post #1310 » by **German Athens** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:12 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
German Athens wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
So GTJ only counts as $2.3M as well?

I don’t think so, since we used non-bird rights to retain him. I could be wrong on that, but I don’t think that’s treated as a minimum contract anymore.

Would Prince be prorated since he signed a 2 year deal? I thought that only worked on 1 year deals.

Oh ****, I think you’re right. Good catch. I also can’t figure out what Prince actually signed.

I figured it was min at first, since it’s less than Trent’s even though he has more experience, but It’s more than his min amount with a 5% raise, but it’s also not the full non-bird. I guess it could be non-bird just not maxed out . :dontknow:

Edit: It looks like we could duck the apron from your calculations by cutting Livingston and signing Bogoljub.

tedbrogen · Post #1311 » by **tedbrogen** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:13 am

Rstuedes24 wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
Rstuedes24 wrote:Trey Murphy pls
He would be a crazy good pickup

He doesn’t fit into the MLE. For him you’d need to convince someone to take Kuz and Pat.

Kuzma, 31 and tpe would work right? Would allow us to use the mle

Actually Kuz for Murphy works straight up.

You do need to move Pat and cash for a guy making less, or into someone’s cap space or TPE, or waive and stretch him though, because that allows the extra salary from Murphy plus full MLE plus keeping Rollins and Sims. Without moving Pat, you end up over the apron.

What’s the max cash the Bucks can send with Pat? Last season it was $7.2M. I assume that’s gone up.

FrieAaron · Post #1312 » by **FrieAaron** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:13 am

SupremeHustle wrote:If the Bucks and Giannis are cool with a 45-48 win season and want to rebuild on the fly, I'm good with that. What else can they do, really? That's what these moves feel like.

And we have a pick swap, but with NO we probably keep our own. If there were ever a season to do it, it's this year. 2026 is supposed to be a pretty deep draft, too, right?

Coach Carter · Post #1313 » by **Coach Carter** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:15 am

Prince back is the first blemish and hopefully the last.

Rstuedes24 · Post #1314 » by **Rstuedes24** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:16 am

soxperry wrote:there's just no way we are getting Trey Murphy for what we have available. he would get something closer to a Bane package, i would assume.

Herb Jones is much more realistic. The only problem is that he has had only one good shooting season with the rest far below league average.

Give them any swaps and 2nds, they can have any of our young guys too

Gianstoppable · Post #1315 » by **Gianstoppable** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:17 am

blazza18 wrote:I'd love to know what the market was for GTJ because he really has given us a chance to add actual talent instead of just rolling back mostly last years team. Did Horst convince to take less or is he just not liked at all?

Maybe he was promised a full time starting job, boost his value for his next contract that's my guess. 34+ mins cuz no way he should have signed that cheap aside from being blackmailed :lol:

AussieBuck · Post #1316 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:17 am

soxperry wrote:wait is it basically just us and the Lakers fighting over Ayton with Horford the consolation prize?

Hornets were mentioned somewhere for Ayton.

soxperry · Post #1317 » by **soxperry** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:17 am

Rstuedes24 wrote:
soxperry wrote:there's just no way we are getting Trey Murphy for what we have available. he would get something closer to a Bane package, i would assume.

Herb Jones is much more realistic. The only problem is that he has had only one good shooting season with the rest far below league average.

Give them any swaps and 2nds, they can have any of our young guys too

that still puts us about 3 1st round picks short lol

rilamann · Post #1318 » by **rilamann** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:18 am

It's interesting to ponder how good the Bucks might be in the hypothetical scenario where we sign Ayton, and then Ayton returns to his 2021 form.

German Athens · Post #1319 » by **German Athens** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:18 am

Shaffty wrote:
hes wrong btw, Prince and GTJ did not take vet mins they took 120% raises

GTJ definitely took a 20% raise, but it doesn’t look like Prince did.

Rstuedes24 · Post #1320 » by **Rstuedes24** » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:19 am

soxperry wrote:
Rstuedes24 wrote:
soxperry wrote:there's just no way we are getting Trey Murphy for what we have available. he would get something closer to a Bane package, i would assume.

Herb Jones is much more realistic. The only problem is that he has had only one good shooting season with the rest far below league average.

Give them any swaps and 2nds, they can have any of our young guys too

that still puts us about 3 1st round picks short lol

Throw in the draft rights to all of Giannis kids, all the Culver's scoopie tokens we can gather, and some free summerfest tickets. Just make it happen Horst