Official Trade Thread Part XLVII

[dobrojim]

CCJ,
We should show glimpses of progress this year. But
remember, most of our kids (19-20 yo) will still be physically
immature and still relately inexperienced. A year
after that, barring a rash of injuries, we will probably
compete for a playin spot. But realize that that is
still damning with faint praise. It will probably take
at least one additional year before becoming a serious
playoff team with a realistic chance of making 2nd rnd. Unless one of our draftees blows up bigly.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

CCJ,
We should show glimpses of progress this year. But
remember, most of our kids (19-20 yo) will still be physically
immature and still relately inexperienced. A year
after that, barring a rash of injuries, we will probably
compete for a playin spot. But realize that that is
still damning with faint praise. It will probably take
at least one additional year before becoming a serious
playoff team with a realistic chance of making 2nd rnd. Unless one of our draftees blows up bigly.

Johnson will blow up.

Watkins had 40 free throws in two games. He gets to the line almost tonight.

Middleton, if healthy, is a game changer.

CJ McCollum doesn't turn it over.

Bud and AJ have to steady the shIp.

[Northwest Roddy]

the 2023/24 OKC Thunder didn't have a PF in their starting lineup. We need to get used to that.

It was 6'6' 180 SGA at point
6'8 210 Josh Giddy,
6'4'' 220 Lou Dort
6'6" 220 Jalen Williams
7'1" 212 Chet

There was no Terry Catledge type PF. The plan was to develop the wings. They must have some data that scoring by wings and length at defense and steals is more important than rebounds and they ran with it until Dallas eliminated them for want of rebounds. Hartenstein came in and Giddy out and they won the title this year.

The point is we shouldn't expect any trades or signings of power forwards. We are running with Bub at point Tre at SG, two wings and Sarr.

And the bench is AJ Johnson and a bunch of shooting guards and wings. Holmes or Vuk will have to hold down the back up center position. Dazed and confused doesn't exist for me on the Wiz.

This year, and maybe next, will stay all about developing that OKC style of play. It's the opposite of my OG beloved Bullets when Wes, Kupchak and the Big E were three different versions of great power forwards. (Elvin Hayes was 6'9".)

Personally, I hope we get Boozer next year and that he's the real deal.

[Jay81]

the 2023/24 OKC Thunder didn't have a PF in their starting lineup. We need to get used to that.

It was 6'6' 180 SGA at point
6'8 210 Josh Giddy,
6'4'' 220 Lou Dort
6'6" 220 Jalen Williams
7'1" 212 Chet

There was no Terry Catledge type PF. The plan was to develop the wings. They must have some data that scoring by wings and length at defense and steals is more important than rebounds and they ran with it until Dallas eliminated them for want of rebounds. Hartenstein came in and Giddy out and they won the title this year.

The point is we shouldn't expect any trades or signings of power forwards. We are running with Bub at point Tre at SG, two wings and Sarr.

And the bench is AJ Johnson and a bunch of shooting guards and wings. Holmes or Vuk will have to hold down the back up center position. Dazed and confused doesn't exist for me on the Wiz.

This year, and maybe next, will stay all about developing that OKC style of play. It's the opposite of my OG beloved Bullets when Wes, Kupchak and the Big E were three different versions of great power forwards. (Elvin Hayes was 6'9".)

Personally, I hope we get Boozer next year and that he's the real deal.

lol terry Cadillac catledge

[WallToWall]

CCJ,
We should show glimpses of progress this year. But
remember, most of our kids (19-20 yo) will still be physically
immature and still relately inexperienced. A year
after that, barring a rash of injuries, we will probably
compete for a playin spot. But realize that that is
still damning with faint praise. It will probably take
at least one additional year before becoming a serious
playoff team with a realistic chance of making 2nd rnd. Unless one of our draftees blows up bigly.

Johnson will blow up.

Watkins had 40 free throws in two games. He gets to the line almost tonight.

Middleton, if healthy, is a game changer.

CJ McCollum doesn't turn it over.

Bud and AJ have to steady the shIp.

It remains to be seen what this new and improved versions of each Wizard will be like. However, based on last year, and as currently constructed, this team will have issues with rebounding. Unless we have schemes dedicated to offensive rebounding, 2nd chance points will be hard to come by.

[TheBlackCzar]

CCJ,
We should show glimpses of progress this year. But
remember, most of our kids (19-20 yo) will still be physically
immature and still relately inexperienced. A year
after that, barring a rash of injuries, we will probably
compete for a playin spot. But realize that that is
still damning with faint praise. It will probably take
at least one additional year before becoming a serious
playoff team with a realistic chance of making 2nd rnd. Unless one of our draftees blows up bigly.

Johnson will blow up.

Watkins had 40 free throws in two games. He gets to the line almost tonight.

Middleton, if healthy, is a game changer.

CJ McCollum doesn't turn it over.

Bud and AJ have to steady the shIp.

It remains to be seen what this new and improved versions of each Wizard will be like. However, based on last year, and as currently constructed, this team will have issues with rebounding. Unless we have schemes dedicated to offensive rebounding, 2nd chance points will be hard to come by.

You counter that by playing high pressure defense forcing turnovers and quick shots... That is how you work around the rebounding issue, speed the pace up on both sides of the ball and take advantage of your speed advantage.......

[gambitx777]

A sign and trade to send brogdon to the kings for a second seems likely but do we wanna be hard capped for a TPE and a 2030 second.

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[nate33]

the 2023/24 OKC Thunder didn't have a PF in their starting lineup. We need to get used to that.

It was 6'6' 180 SGA at point
6'8 210 Josh Giddy,
6'4'' 220 Lou Dort
6'6" 220 Jalen Williams
7'1" 212 Chet

There was no Terry Catledge type PF. The plan was to develop the wings. They must have some data that scoring by wings and length at defense and steals is more important than rebounds and they ran with it until Dallas eliminated them for want of rebounds. Hartenstein came in and Giddy out and they won the title this year.

The point is we shouldn't expect any trades or signings of power forwards. We are running with Bub at point Tre at SG, two wings and Sarr.

Yeah, these days, the position of "power forward" has mostly gone away. Mostly, teams just have two "forwards", with one maybe being a bit bigger than the other. Ideally, your bigger "forward" has enough girth to match up with the handful of true power forwards that still remain, like Giannis and Randle. That's what makes Jalen Williams such a useful player. He is built like a tank and has a 7'-2.25" wingspan, so he can guard those bigger guys while still playing like a versatile wing on offense.

I agree that management probably doesn't perceive that we have some massive hole at the PF position for the long term. I think both Bilal and Kyshawn have the length to guard "power forwards" once they add a little more heft. But since both guys are still a little light in the loafers, I wouldn't mind swapping Kispert for a bigger veteran forward to help balance the roster a bit. I brought up Kispert for Jonathan Isaac a while back. I thought it made sense for both teams.

[Northwest Roddy]

the 2023/24 OKC Thunder didn't have a PF in their starting lineup. We need to get used to that.

It was 6'6' 180 SGA at point
6'8 210 Josh Giddy,
6'4'' 220 Lou Dort
6'6" 220 Jalen Williams
7'1" 212 Chet

There was no Terry Catledge type PF. The plan was to develop the wings. They must have some data that scoring by wings and length at defense and steals is more important than rebounds and they ran with it until Dallas eliminated them for want of rebounds. Hartenstein came in and Giddy out and they won the title this year.

The point is we shouldn't expect any trades or signings of power forwards. We are running with Bub at point Tre at SG, two wings and Sarr.

Yeah, these days, the position of "power forward" has mostly gone away. Mostly, teams just have two "forwards", with one maybe being a bit bigger than the other. Ideally, your bigger "forward" has enough girth to match up with the handful of true power forwards that still remain, like Giannis and Randle. That's what makes Jalen Williams such a useful player. He is built like a tank and has a 7'-2.25" wingspan, so he can guard those bigger guys while still playing like a versatile wing on offense.

I agree that management probably doesn't perceive that we have some massive hole at the PF position for the long term. I think both Bilal and Kyshawn have the length to guard "power forwards" once they add a little more heft. But since both guys are still a little light in the loafers, I wouldn't mind swapping Kispert for a bigger veteran forward to help balance the roster a bit. I brought up Kispert for Jonathan Isaac a while back. I thought it made sense for both teams.

I think a little light in the loafers may have a different nuance than light in the cakes. Semantics…

[Silvie Lysandra]

Simple Was/Den trade

Wizards outgoing:
Corey Kispert

Wizards Incoming
Zeke Nnaji
Removed protections on 2028 2nd

Why for the Wizards?

Helps clear the log jam we have at wing and gives us a rotational big man that won't add too many wins. Possibly flippable down the road if he develops. Also saves us 5m a year over the life of the contract.

Why for the Nuggets?

Shooting, shooting, shooting. With the JV trade, they have a legit playoff caliber backup C.

[9 and 20]

We need to trade McCollum to ensure the tank remains strong. Once he's gone, I really don't know who is going to score for the team, especially if they limit Midds' minutes or he's hurt, or let's be real - both. Tre probably will lead the team in scoring, which is actually great and may put him in line for ROY. Maybe Bilal if he really takes a step forward but he still may struggle to create for himself. Same with Sarr.

McCollum's probably not worth more than another expiring contracts and 2nd round picks, but that's ultimately fine.

[9 and 20]

Simple Was/Den trade

Wizards outgoing:
Corey Kispert

Wizards Incoming
Zeke Nnaji
Removed protections on 2028 2nd

Why for the Wizards?

Helps clear the log jam we have at wing and gives us a rotational big man that won't add too many wins. Possibly flippable down the road if he develops. Also saves us 5m a year over the life of the contract.

Why for the Nuggets?

Shooting, shooting, shooting. With the JV trade, they have a legit playoff caliber backup C.

I might hold out for more than this and wait to trade him if this is all Kispert will bring back.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nnajize01.html

This guy averaged 3 and 2 for the past 2 years. At least throw in a real 2nd round pick or two.

[nate33]

Simple Was/Den trade

Wizards outgoing:
Corey Kispert

Wizards Incoming
Zeke Nnaji
Removed protections on 2028 2nd

Why for the Wizards?

Helps clear the log jam we have at wing and gives us a rotational big man that won't add too many wins. Possibly flippable down the road if he develops. Also saves us 5m a year over the life of the contract.

Why for the Nuggets?

Shooting, shooting, shooting. With the JV trade, they have a legit playoff caliber backup C.

I might hold out for more than this and wait to trade him if this is all Kispert will bring back.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nnajize01.html

This guy averaged 3 and 2 for the past 2 years. At least throw in a real 2nd round pick or two.

I saw a similar trade proposed on the Trade Board, but the incentive was a 2026 FRP swap where we get the better of our 2026 OKC pick and Denver's 2026 pick.

At the time, I figured Denver would finish with maybe the #24 overall pick so we would move up 6 slots. But with the way Denver has improved their roster, their pick might be #27 or so, which isn't much incentive.

[nate33]

With Milwaukee looking like they are all-in with Giannis, I wonder if we could work out a trade with them. They are presumably shopping their 2031 FRP swap and their 2032 pick, to package it with Kuzma to land a real good guard or wing player.

Are any of McCollum, Brogdon or Smart good enough to get in on this action. Could we trade, say, McCollum for Kuzma and a 2031 pick swap? One problem is that I don't think we can trade for Kuzma until a full year has elapsed since we traded him. So he would have to be sent to a 3rd team, and I don't know who would want him. Maybe Charlotte for Grant Williams? Or Phoenix for Dillon Brooks?

[Dat2U]

the 2023/24 OKC Thunder didn't have a PF in their starting lineup. We need to get used to that.

It was 6'6' 180 SGA at point
6'8 210 Josh Giddy,
6'4'' 220 Lou Dort
6'6" 220 Jalen Williams
7'1" 212 Chet

There was no Terry Catledge type PF. The plan was to develop the wings. They must have some data that scoring by wings and length at defense and steals is more important than rebounds and they ran with it until Dallas eliminated them for want of rebounds. Hartenstein came in and Giddy out and they won the title this year.

The point is we shouldn't expect any trades or signings of power forwards. We are running with Bub at point Tre at SG, two wings and Sarr.

And the bench is AJ Johnson and a bunch of shooting guards and wings. Holmes or Vuk will have to hold down the back up center position. Dazed and confused doesn't exist for me on the Wiz.

This year, and maybe next, will stay all about developing that OKC style of play. It's the opposite of my OG beloved Bullets when Wes, Kupchak and the Big E were three different versions of great power forwards. (Elvin Hayes was 6'9".)

Personally, I hope we get Boozer next year and that he's the real deal.

Yep, Kenrich Williams has been the only real PF for them and he's their Anthony Gill - but as a credible role player.

A pure PF like Rasheer Fleming or Asa Newell were probably never given much consideration. It appears they want their Fs to have dribble, shoot & pass skills so unless its Cameron Boozer, we probably won't see a true starting 4 on the roster going forward.

[gambitx777]

I don't think you can. But can you trade dead cap?

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[nate33]

I don't think you can. But can you trade dead cap?

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No.

[gambitx777]

I don't think you can. But can you trade dead cap?

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No.

Thanks that would be an interesting over correction when the NBA PA eventually fights back against this basically hard cap CBA.

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[penbeast0]

Yeah, these days, the position of "power forward" has mostly gone away. Mostly, teams just have two "forwards", with one maybe being a bit bigger than the other. Ideally, your bigger "forward" has enough girth to match up with the handful of true power forwards that still remain, like Giannis and Randle. That's what makes Jalen Williams such a useful player. He is built like a tank and has a 7'-2.25" wingspan, so he can guard those bigger guys while still playing like a versatile wing on offense.

I agree that management probably doesn't perceive that we have some massive hole at the PF position for the long term. I think both Bilal and Kyshawn have the length to guard "power forwards" once they add a little more heft. But since both guys are still a little light in the loafers, I wouldn't mind swapping Kispert for a bigger veteran forward to help balance the roster a bit. I brought up Kispert for Jonathan Isaac a while back. I thought it made sense for both teams.

You might want to check Urban Dictionary or similar slang dictionary for what "light in the loafers" means.

[AFM]

Yeah, these days, the position of "power forward" has mostly gone away. Mostly, teams just have two "forwards", with one maybe being a bit bigger than the other. Ideally, your bigger "forward" has enough girth to match up with the handful of true power forwards that still remain, like Giannis and Randle. That's what makes Jalen Williams such a useful player. He is built like a tank and has a 7'-2.25" wingspan, so he can guard those bigger guys while still playing like a versatile wing on offense.

I agree that management probably doesn't perceive that we have some massive hole at the PF position for the long term. I think both Bilal and Kyshawn have the length to guard "power forwards" once they add a little more heft. But since both guys are still a little light in the loafers, I wouldn't mind swapping Kispert for a bigger veteran forward to help balance the roster a bit. I brought up Kispert for Jonathan Isaac a while back. I thought it made sense for both teams.

You might want to check Urban Dictionary or similar slang dictionary for what "light in the loafers" means.

LOL. Didn’t even catch that…