(Shams) MPJ and '32 FRP traded for CamJ

[gswhoops]

Yeah, I think they need to actually use the room created here for it to really be a good move competitively. Cam is better than MPJ, but I'd say it's lateral vs. marked improvement. If they just pocket the money and all they get out of their 2032 1st as the last real chip they have is the incremental improvement from MPJ to Cam, that's not really much. They need to turn the extra space into another functional player.

Just rough math, but I think this puts them far enough under the first apron to use the full MLE, which is huge.

[Devilanche]

so another Net that didn't return anything close to what we told they would. And all this floor worry was for naught.

Not sure how much better Denver got with this, but they are active and gained some flexibility so they can improve some more on the margins.

Unprotected first in 2032 could be a #1 pick. The next asset to be overvalued in trade in the sense that need a star player back for that high high lotto pick in 2032 value.

[gswhoops]

so another Net that didn't return anything close to what we told they would. And all this floor worry was for naught.

Not sure how much better Denver got with this, but they are active and gained some flexibility so they can improve some more on the margins.

Unprotected first in 2032 could be a #1 pick. The next asset to be overvalued in trade in the sense that need a star player back for that high high lotto pick in 2032 value.

There were certain people on this board who were insisting that Cam was worth 2 1sts and expiring filler. Instead he returned 1 1st and Brooklyn had to eat a massive negative contract (partially using cap space).

I don't think this can be spun as "Nets fans were right"

[TheNetsFan]

so another Net that didn't return anything close to what we told they would. And all this floor worry was for naught.

Not sure how much better Denver got with this, but they are active and gained some flexibility so they can improve some more on the margins.

An unprotected first from Denver when Jokic will be 36 is a very high upside, albeit far out asset. MPJ, while overpaid, is a starting level player. Talent-wise it's pretty close to lateral. The compensation is more for the salary difference than talent gap.

[Devilanche]

so another Net that didn't return anything close to what we told they would. And all this floor worry was for naught.

Not sure how much better Denver got with this, but they are active and gained some flexibility so they can improve some more on the margins.

Unprotected first in 2032 could be a #1 pick. The next asset to be overvalued in trade in the sense that need a star player back for that high high lotto pick in 2032 value.

There were certain people on this board who were insisting that Cam was worth 2 1sts and expiring filler. Instead he returned 1 1st and Brooklyn had to eat a massive negative contract (partially using cap space).

I don't think this can be spun as "Nets fans were right"

The thing with storyline , it can always be spun.

Contract not that negative . That unprotected first is actually way more valuable that 2 protected first

[ReggiesKnicks]

Reggies is a known "jokester"

I love the guy so I lol'd.

Nice work King Troll. ReggiesKnicks is Best!

Looks like the jokester wasn't far off

[Toine85]

Saving $17m per year over two years for an unprotected future 1st. Super risky for both sides.

[giberish]

I don't think this is really much if any improvement on the court. But will makes roster management easier.

The upgrade would come from a vet depth piece or two they can now sign that they otherwise couldn't (Brown + ?)

[psman2]

I don't think this is really much if any improvement on the court. But will makes roster management easier.

The upgrade would come from a vet depth piece or two they can now sign that they otherwise couldn't (Brown + ?)

I guess it is depends on the ? here. Brown alone is fine but not worth that pick imo. I think he is just a league min signing, so another signing is likely to determine if this was a good move or not.

[Dat2U]

Great deal for Denver. Out of their big 4 - MPJ's play had declined the most since their championship year, especially on defense. Getting rid of his salary while adding a current upgrade in Cam Johnson is tremendous - because they play a similar role. Its really a plug & play. With Braun's development, this may be the best starting 5 Jokic has played with.

[ecuhus1981]

As many have mentioned, it's a home run for Denver. The Nuggets might give up a high lottery pick in 2032 but they have given themselves the financial flexibility to put a contender around Nikola now. I think that's worth it.

For Brooklyn, I would have wanted more. However, MPJ is 2 years younger, and his skill set is more suited to a 1st/2nd option role on a rebuilding team than Johnson. He could legitimately average 24/6/2 on good percentages, and be worth more than Cam J this time next season. But if all else fails (and this part is important for valuation), his 26-27 season is only partially guaranteed. It opens up options to be a factor in the 2026 free agent market. I say, decent for the Nets.

[JKiddy]

Reggies is a known "jokester"

I love the guy so I lol'd.

Nice work King Troll. ReggiesKnicks is Best!

Looks like the jokester wasn't far off

ReggiesKnicks is Best!

[tmorgan]

Yeah, a lot of folks tend to forget how old Cam is since he came into the league late. He’s 29.

I like this for both sides, I think. Nets take money (which they can afford) and perhaps some health risk (tho Cam is hardly durable) and get rewarded with a high variance asset. Denver makes space for other moves, gets a similar player, and gets to the see Jokic effect on someone new. Cam is gonna get open shots galore.

[ReggiesKnicks]

As many have mentioned, it's a home run for Denver. The Nuggets might give up a high lottery pick in 2032 but they have given themselves the financial flexibility to put a contender around Nikola now. I think that's worth it.

For Brooklyn, I would have wanted more. However, MPJ is 2 years younger, and his skill set is more suited to a 1st/2nd option role on a rebuilding team than Johnson. He could legitimately average 24/6/2 on good percentages, and be worth more than Cam J this time next season. But if all else fails (and this part is important for valuation), his 26-27 season is only partially guaranteed. It opens up options to be a factor in the 2026 free agent market. I say, decent for the Nets.

MPJ is fully guaranteed in 2026-2027.

[Monky15]

Would of been nice if Denver could of squeezed a little bit more out of that first. Getting some 2nds back in the years they don't have a 1st or including Saric would of been nice.

[ecuhus1981]

As many have mentioned, it's a home run for Denver. The Nuggets might give up a high lottery pick in 2032 but they have given themselves the financial flexibility to put a contender around Nikola now. I think that's worth it.

For Brooklyn, I would have wanted more. However, MPJ is 2 years younger, and his skill set is more suited to a 1st/2nd option role on a rebuilding team than Johnson. He could legitimately average 24/6/2 on good percentages, and be worth more than Cam J this time next season. But if all else fails (and this part is important for valuation), his 26-27 season is only partially guaranteed. It opens up options to be a factor in the 2026 free agent market. I say, decent for the Nets.

MPJ is fully guaranteed in 2026-2027.

I stand corrected, thank you.

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[jayjaysee]

The search function on RealGM is quite user friendly.

I don’t really like it for Denver though. Would’ve found other ways to build depth, but do see I’m in the minority there.

[Godaddycurse]

Saving $17m per year over two years for an unprotected future 1st. Super risky for both sides.

if they avoid the tax savings is alot more than 17M a year

[BelgradeNugget]

I don't think this is really much if any improvement on the court. But will makes roster management easier.

The upgrade would come from a vet depth piece or two they can now sign that they otherwise couldn't (Brown + ?)

I guess it is depends on the ? here. Brown alone is fine but not worth that pick imo. I think he is just a league min signing, so another signing is likely to determine if this was a good move or not.

This move was not just about another free agent, but Nuggets ability to resign Braun and Watson next season while being under 2nd apron. If they kept MPJ, with Braun and Watson new contracts, they would have been over 2nd apron next season atleast $15M. In 2 years they would have been in the same situation as Boston is, getting rid of championship core anyway posible to get under 2nd apron (Porzingis for Nijang and Jrue for Simons).
Boston is now in situation they must build new contender again when Tatum comes back, Denver will be contender for the next 4-5 years.
So I don't expect them to sign 2 expensive FAs, after Brown, they need 1 backup C and they are fine.

[zimpy27]

Was the FRP for moving MPj or for getting CamJ?