Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley

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We’re the only team in the league that hasn’t done a damn thing. lol

Masai being gone really put a stop to everything for them for the time being.

[HumbleRen]

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We’re the only team in the league that hasn’t done a damn thing. lol

Masai being gone really put a stop to everything for them for the time being.

It’s not like we do moves anyways during FA under Masai since the 2020’s started.

We’ve haven’t been making progressive moves since the 2010’s.

[PushDaRock]

Yeah just i don't think the addition of Ingram/rookie CMB is enough to add to make the current team we have take a big step next year....We will be better no doubt....But i don't see 20+ wins better....Maybe 10 or 11 if all things go well and that would put us at around +500 team and either a play in or 8th seed....

We need a good addition to the team to be in the mix with the teams 1-6 in the East next year IMO.

If we have reasonable health and are only 10 wins better, things likely went pretty bad and the future outlook isn't good at all. This was a 30 win team while intentionally losing games for the last 1/4 of the season and getting decimated by injuries through the first half of the year while playing the toughest schedule in the league. If we had reasonable health and tried to win all our games even without Ingram, we probably would have been in the mid to high 30's in wins. 40 wins would basically be little if any improvement over that and pretty disappointing.

Ingram is good but idk if he and CMB alone would make us a 15-20+ More win team....Also got to factor in at the end of the year there were about 10-13 teams litearlly all tanking as well for Flagg....So them wins we racked up against them other teams also tanking means really nothing....

Imo could go either way and i won't be shocked....If we are in the lottery next year again because of bad luck/injuries i won't be shocked, If we are the 6th seed i won't be shocked...

Will teams not be tanking in an even stronger draft class next year?

I am expecting improvement in some shape of form from just about everyone on the roster. We really shouldn't have too many guys that have topped out already outside of maybe Jak.

[HumbleRen]

IQ would have not gotten more than 25M a year in this current cap climate btw.

Crazy how much a difference a year makes once all of the teams realize the severity of the new CBA.

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Polar bear sighting.

Knicks really bent us over on that OG trade.

This should be a video with the sesame street "One of these things is not like the other" playing in the back ground.

Thank god we're capped out all the time with zero flexibility, that's what smart and successful teams do. I wonder how long it will take the people endlessly defending every single time Masai farted, to finally start realizing the **** show he's put us in the last few years. Who am I kidding, they are already trying to pin it all on MLSE forcing him to make win now moves

Losing Masai, Not being able to upgrade the roster in any sort of way....While teams in our conference are improving each passing day.....Makes it hard to get excited about next season....It will be fun to see how CMB does and Ingram addition...But i don't think it will translate to our record being drastically better ....We will see if we get anything in a trade...

For us to leapfrog some of these teams in the East i think we would need to get a impact player on a decent trade. Like a Sabonis level guy without trading much out.

Ok but, Masai was the reason we aren't able to upgrade the roster in any sort of way. I'm so confused how people can pine for losing Masai, and have issues with the mess of a roster/cap sheet, in the same breath.

One or the other my friend, it makes no sense to have issues with both. We didn't get into this situation by accident, this was all by design. This is what happens when you don't change with the times, it's why our roster is devoid of shooting and we keep trying to zig when everyone else is zagging. It doesn't make you a maverick, it makes you an idiot who thinks they are smarter than overarching trends.

Practically every move since the chip has been a bad one, it's impressive really.

[Thaddy]

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Polar bear sighting.

Knicks really bent us over on that OG trade.

This should be a video with the sesame street "One of these things is not like the other" playing in the back ground.

Thank god we're capped out all the time with zero flexibility, that's what smart and successful teams do. I wonder how long it will take the people endlessly defending every single time Masai farted, to finally start realizing the **** show he's put us in the last few years. Who am I kidding, they are already trying to pin it all on MLSE forcing him to make win now moves

Losing Masai, Not being able to upgrade the roster in any sort of way....While teams in our conference are improving each passing day.....Makes it hard to get excited about next season....It will be fun to see how CMB does and Ingram addition...But i don't think it will translate to our record being drastically better ....We will see if we get anything in a trade...

For us to leapfrog some of these teams in the East i think we would need to get a impact player on a decent trade. Like a Sabonis level guy without trading much out.

Ok but, Masai was the reason we aren't able to upgrade the roster in any sort of way. I'm so confused how people can pine for losing Masai, and have issues with the mess of a roster/cap sheet, in the same breath.

One or the other my friend, it makes no sense to have issues with both. We didn't get into this situation by accident, this was all by design. This is what happens when you don't change with the times, it's why our roster is devoid of shooting and we keep trying to zig when everyone else is zagging. It doesn't make you a maverick, it makes you an idiot who thinks they are smarter than overarching trends.

Practically every move since the chip has been a bad one, it's impressive really.

What's the alternative to being capped out? Having cap space and not being able to sign anyone? Signing free agents to overpriced deals like we gave IQ?

They aren't zigging or sagging. They're taking calculated risks. IQ should break out, he was hidden behind Brunson. Ingram is a former all star and still in his prime years. Then we have several high potential prospects that have shown some promise.

It could be much worse than it currently is.

[rapz101]

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Polar bear sighting.

Knicks really bent us over on that OG trade.

This should be a video with the sesame street "One of these things is not like the other" playing in the back ground.

Thank god we're capped out all the time with zero flexibility, that's what smart and successful teams do. I wonder how long it will take the people endlessly defending every single time Masai farted, to finally start realizing the **** show he's put us in the last few years. Who am I kidding, they are already trying to pin it all on MLSE forcing him to make win now moves

Losing Masai, Not being able to upgrade the roster in any sort of way....While teams in our conference are improving each passing day.....Makes it hard to get excited about next season....It will be fun to see how CMB does and Ingram addition...But i don't think it will translate to our record being drastically better ....We will see if we get anything in a trade...

For us to leapfrog some of these teams in the East i think we would need to get a impact player on a decent trade. Like a Sabonis level guy without trading much out.

Ok but, Masai was the reason we aren't able to upgrade the roster in any sort of way. I'm so confused how people can pine for losing Masai, and have issues with the mess of a roster/cap sheet, in the same breath.

One or the other my friend, it makes no sense to have issues with both. We didn't get into this situation by accident, this was all by design. This is what happens when you don't change with the times, it's why our roster is devoid of shooting and we keep trying to zig when everyone else is zagging. It doesn't make you a maverick, it makes you an idiot who thinks they are smarter than overarching trends.

Practically every move since the chip has been a bad one, it's impressive really.

What's the alternative to being capped out? Having cap space and not being able to sign anyone? Signing free agents to overpriced deals like we gave IQ?

They aren't zigging or sagging. They're taking calculated risks. IQ should break out, he was hidden behind Brunson. Ingram is a former all star and still in his prime years. Then we have several high potential prospects that have shown some promise.

It could be much worse than it currently is.

It could be BC or Rob Babcock bad. For all the moves Masai made that people dislike, the incompetence this organization has shown under other regimes is not even close. So for that reason I don’t understand why the last 3-4 years can’t be processed in a way that takes the positives into consideration too. It’s almost like Masai has done no right the way some people talk. Even this current iteration of the roster, I’d take it over the teams we were trotting out with BC, including the 2 years we went to the playoffs. Like do we really want Calderon over IQ? Even if Calderon on paper has performed better, the ceiling of IQ is way higher and everyone knows it.

[Tripod]

every season, many teams expected to be better on paper end up falling short for a variety of reasons. there are also teams that surprise and have a good season then drop back down the following year.

we are 4 months away from next season. let's see how it plays out.

Yeah just i don't think the addition of Ingram/rookie CMB is enough to add to make the current team we have take a big step next year....We will be better no doubt....But i don't see 20+ wins better....Maybe 10 or 11 if all things go well and that would put us at around +500 team and either a play in or 8th seed....

We need a good addition to the team to be in the mix with the teams 1-6 in the East next year IMO.

If we have reasonable health and are only 10 wins better, things likely went pretty bad and the future outlook isn't good at all. This was a 30 win team while intentionally losing games for the last 1/4 of the season and getting decimated by injuries through the first half of the year while playing the toughest schedule in the league. If we had reasonable health and tried to win all our games even without Ingram, we probably would have been in the mid to high 30's in wins. 40 wins would basically be little if any improvement over that and pretty disappointing.

Yup.

I am expecting 45+ wins next year IF we add a reliable backup C. Anything less will be a disappointment

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

Quickley was an asset when we got him. Instead of watching and seeing if he could be our lead guard of the future- we paid it into existence for no reason, and he became negative asset. If he can stay healthy- I haven’t seen anything defensively that makes me think he’s a good starting pg. he shoots above the break 3’s. I was more impressed with Battle a yet we can’t even find minutes for him because overpriced overvalued players we have in front of him.

[Kingsway_fan]

IQ would have not gotten more than 25M a year in this current cap climate btw.

Crazy how much a difference a year makes once all of the teams realize the severity of the new CBA.

Doesn't change the Raptors cost of acquisition. Think of it as a canadian tax. Cost of doing business in Toronto.

While Other US teams MAY have paid less, that does not mean that we [Toronto Raptors] are equal. We need to pay a PREMIUM, all things being equal.

[Los_29]

RJ’s contract expires at the end of the 26/27 season. That’s not a bad contract to take on.

Teams aren’t taking on extra years unless it’s a significant upgrade or they’re incentivized to do so. The apron rules and CBA is too restrictive. Portland decided to cut Ayton because they couldn't find a trade where anyone was willing to give up expiring contracts even though Ayton himself is expiring.

The problem with Ayton is he's not a good basketball player and doesn't seem to have much passion for the game.

[Yallbecrazy]

Yeah just i don't think the addition of Ingram/rookie CMB is enough to add to make the current team we have take a big step next year....We will be better no doubt....But i don't see 20+ wins better....Maybe 10 or 11 if all things go well and that would put us at around +500 team and either a play in or 8th seed....

We need a good addition to the team to be in the mix with the teams 1-6 in the East next year IMO.

If we have reasonable health and are only 10 wins better, things likely went pretty bad and the future outlook isn't good at all. This was a 30 win team while intentionally losing games for the last 1/4 of the season and getting decimated by injuries through the first half of the year while playing the toughest schedule in the league. If we had reasonable health and tried to win all our games even without Ingram, we probably would have been in the mid to high 30's in wins. 40 wins would basically be little if any improvement over that and pretty disappointing.

Yup.

I am expecting 45+ wins next year IF we add a reliable backup C. Anything less will be a disappointment

Adding a C will reduce CMB's minutes from 25 to < 15 a night. Currently he can be in the game for both Poeltl and Scottie. Think the Raps just need a 2.5nd string centre that really only sees time if 1 of Jak, Barnes, CMB is injured.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

IQ would have not gotten more than 25M a year in this current cap climate btw.

Crazy how much a difference a year makes once all of the teams realize the severity of the new CBA.

Doesn't change the Raptors cost of acquisition. Think of it as a canadian tax. Cost of doing business in Toronto.

While Other US teams MAY have paid less, that does not mean that we [Toronto Raptors] are equal. We need to pay a PREMIUM, all things being equal.

no, this is just excuse making for mistakes.

[DG88]

Yep imo it would take a perfect season with good health from all our guys for us to get 6th...I think Cavs/Knicks/Magic/Hawks/Pistons are better than us next year....We would need to beat out all of the other teams to get 6th which i think is possible if we have good health...

But if some things go wrong next year we are either 8th or play ins....Health will be key and the history of our health has been poor so i hope it changes next year.

We're not top 6 but probably a Play-In team with the 7th or 8th seed. We should win 40ish games next year.

Yeah i could see 76ers being better next year, Pacers as well will not be totally bad they have a deep roster even with Hali out....Celtics could be bad with all their bigs gone.....Bulls/Wiz/Hornets could all improve...We are in a weird mix for sure...

Only thing that worries me we are an Ingram/Yak injury away from being a 30 win team again next year.

That and the schedule. Last year are scheduled was brutal to start the first half of the year.

[Tripod]

We did nothing...except already make our move to add a 22+point scorer for dirt cheap.

We all know we are not a FA destination so adding guys "when you can" to improve the team, is a necessity. Our improvement is coming from not tanking, internal improvement from so many young guys, adding 22 pt Ingram, and adding CMB.

Some of the same people complaining today about the locked in roster are the ones bitching about the Raps winning games while resting starters.

Reality is we have yet to see how good this team can be. When we flicked that defensive switch in Jan, we completely changed as a team. It became our identity. And both of our picks have that same identity. We are going to be a pain in the ass to play against next year for teams. Just relax. We added arguably the top FA...we just did it at the deadline.

Still need that backup C IMO. We don't need all of RJ, Ochai, Walter, Dick, Battle.

Battle doesn't make enough so he stays.

RJ...honestly...I keep him and make him a 6th man. In games Ingram or Barnes miss, his scoring will be needed. And playing with "defensive" guys like Shead, CMB, etc.. Hopefully he ups that side of his game.

Walter shows signs of that pressure defense and his shooting improved every month.

Ochai 3+D is nice

Dick seems like the odd man out that doesn't match our defense identity but still has lots of upside teams might want.

But in saying that, maybe Ochai is the one if they think Walter can replace what he does and is cheaper in a year and has more upside.

RJ, Dick and Ochai...who will it be? And who it is could dictate the level of C coming back. That's the only move I expect. I was hoping for a sneaky Masai trade but Bobby...not so much.

Now we wait.

[Tripod]

If we have reasonable health and are only 10 wins better, things likely went pretty bad and the future outlook isn't good at all. This was a 30 win team while intentionally losing games for the last 1/4 of the season and getting decimated by injuries through the first half of the year while playing the toughest schedule in the league. If we had reasonable health and tried to win all our games even without Ingram, we probably would have been in the mid to high 30's in wins. 40 wins would basically be little if any improvement over that and pretty disappointing.

Yup.

I am expecting 45+ wins next year IF we add a reliable backup C. Anything less will be a disappointment

Adding a C will reduce CMB's minutes from 25 to < 15 a night. Currently he can be in the game for both Poeltl and Scottie. Think the Raps just need a 2.5nd string centre that really only sees time if 1 of Jak, Barnes, CMB is injured.

Well 1st we don't even know CMB's impact. Most rookies are negative.

Make these guys earn their playing time...internal competition is a good thing. Let the best rise to the top.

And we WILL have injuries. We have extra wings...move one to fill the hole at C. It's a very simple concept.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

If Dick has any value we should look at cashing it in. I think Walter can be the more compete guy and I’d rather not have huge defensive sieves on the roster. At all.

[raps95]

IQ would have not gotten more than 25M a year in this current cap climate btw.

Crazy how much a difference a year makes once all of the teams realize the severity of the new CBA.

Doesn't change the Raptors cost of acquisition. Think of it as a canadian tax. Cost of doing business in Toronto.

While Other US teams MAY have paid less, that does not mean that we [Toronto Raptors] are equal. We need to pay a PREMIUM, all things being equal.

no, this is just excuse making for mistakes.

Just to be clear here are you saying there isn’t a premium we have to pay? I might agree that IQ’s is a little high but there is absolutely a premium. With all the goodwill that should have been there from us investing time and money in growing players and helping them to become the best they can be, name a single one that gave us a discount of any kind. Kyle, Fred, OG and Pascal all either left for more money, only stayed because they couldn’t get more money (Kyle) or in OG’s case forced his way out with clear signals he wasn’t going to resign.

To be fair, in Kyle’s case after the chip we eventually just agreed to part ways but he did have his, fine I’ll stay because you’re paying me more than I can get elsewhere moment earlier. In the case of the other three we literally took them to the mountaintop with the 2019 championship. You would have thought with all of that success, development, etc etc, that we would have had crazy good will built up. Nope, all three in their own unique way flipped us the middle finger.

And this isn’t even going into the longer list of Carter, Bosh, Tracy, etc. so with all of that plus our history of having, it feels like, virtually every contract having a head-scratching amount, or term, or player option or whatever. I think it’s pretty clear the Raptor premium is a thing.

[OakleyDokely]

IQ is going to be one of the Raps most impressive players this year and he will be well worth the money.

His all-around numbers as a Raptor are good. He's just suffered some injuries, and he was held out during a tank season.

[theonlyeastcoastrapsfan]

There’s the most desired markets, and there’s everyone else. We gotta pay a higher premium than Minny, det, Utah, Cleveland, charlotte? I’m saying there’s no good excuse for a bad decision.