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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#781 » by HornetJail » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:32 am

Bassman wrote:Well NO, I’m not happy with signing a clod hopper center who wasn’t worth a crap when here earlier, and is less capable as an older pile of crap. There are multiple FA’s we could have signed that were tons better and not uber expensive. Sharpe has more game and potential than anyone we’ve got or had. But NO….had to retread a tire to be cheap.

People here saying they’ll start Diabetes at center. WTF? He’s a rail thin lightweight, who I love as an effort guy, but he will be killed in the middle! At this point I’d start Kalkbrenner over him and the Plumber, and he hasn’t set foot on an NBA court yet. Sickening is what this is.

Peterson had his secret deal with Utah to skip over Bailey, gets us a really good player in Sexton for a bag of rocks. Great move…so WHY STUNT THE GROWTH WITH A CHICKEN CRAP CHOICE LIKE THIS?? It boggles my mind really. I think Jeffie is scared to put himself on the line very much. No wonder other NBA players bemoan their guys who get traded here.

for once, I'm not going to blame Jeff Peterson

it is blatantly obvious that one or both of Clifford/Kupchak still have a say in player personnel, and the team needs to shut that **** down ASAP. Why are you listening to two people who have utterly destroyed the last 8 years of Hornets basketball in just about every way imaginable? I am not going to be comfortable in anything this team does until both of them are completely gone.

It also makes me really believe the KOC tweet about Clifford being in love with Salaun.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#782 » by JDR720 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:42 am

I'm pretty sure Cliff/Kup had a say in this as well.

Plumlee doesn't fit what Lee has wanted at center, he doesn't shoot and isn't a lob threat either.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#783 » by JDR720 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:45 am

I think the plan is for Kalk to start as soon as he's ready.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#784 » by wilson115 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:49 am

Sixers need to dump salary to resign Yabusele. Drummond alone won't cut it, so... who wants to see Oubre back?

(I'd just go ahead and snatch Yabusele away tbh)

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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#785 » by Bassman » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:53 am

Clifford the dog should have been retired long ago. He’s a dinosaur and I very much DO blame Jeffie Peterson for all of this. The buck stops with him. Instead of paying more money to secure a decent young starter like Sharpe he goes cheap on a 35 yo backup retread who isn’t a good shooter, can’t hit 3’s, poor FT percentage and very average defender. He is a decent passer and rebounder unless he’s getting dominated by well over 2/3’s of the league’s starting 5’s on any given night. Just a pathetic choice.

And no O do not expect a trade to be forthcoming for a REAL QUALITY STARTING CENTER. If that does happen, and he did this because he’s including Diabetes or Kalkbrenner (no way on Kalk don’t you dare) in that deal, I may eat all these words with a full serving of crow.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#786 » by JMAC3 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:57 am

I really don’t want to go down this road the Panthers did where every move we like we credit person A and every one we don’t like we credit person B.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#787 » by Braggins » Tue Jul 1, 2025 8:06 am

wilson115 wrote:who wants to see Oubre back?

Everyone knows the golden age of Hornets basketball was the Plumlee/Oubre era. Jeff somehow managed to get the hottest commodity on the free agent market, which is obviously Plumlee. If he gets Oubre then the Hornets have their big 2 back!
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#788 » by SWedd523 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:46 am

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Rays Pompadour wrote:Yall, what did you expect? Some franchise-altering trade? The Hornets front office is not known for its craftiness or imagination. This is proof positive that we should believe the plan Peterson has put in place to build slowly, incrementally.

?????????????

The first half is saying clearly, that the front office is bad at its job. Why should I believe in the worthless horse **** they put out?


Mainly because they’re doing what they said they’d do - stockpile assets, draft for character and build slowly. It ain’t sexy and they’ll continue to lose, but it is their stated plan.

Sounds like the Big Daddy movie when his ex leaves him for the old guy and she goes "But he has a 5 Year Plan!"

"What's his plan, don't die?!"


.... and he ends up working the grill at Hooters.


That's a perfect analogy for how I view all this "incremental, sustainable building" BS
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#789 » by Braggins » Tue Jul 1, 2025 10:52 am

I would rather have Mark Williams and Tre Mann going forward than Kneuppel and Sexton. The other additions are Plumlee and 2nd round picks. They are spinning their wheels at best.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#790 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:27 am

The new owners are signing the checks to Plumlee.

The debt holders like him.

Guess where they went to school.

Jeff is just taking orders and being a yes man.

Surely he's more creative than this.

The trade market for playoff level centers must be outright hostile right now.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#791 » by KembaWalker » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:36 am

Its funny to me that you can nab the by far lowest wctive winning percentage player in the league, draft an extremely limited upside class that neither optimized talent or fit, reacquire some of the biggest bums in team history and like half the fan base will give you an A offseason grade so far.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#792 » by MasterIchiro » Tue Jul 1, 2025 11:44 am

KembaWalker wrote:Its funny to me that you can nab the by far lowest wctive winning percentage player in the league, draft an extremely limited upside class that neither optimized talent or fit, reacquire some of the biggest bums in team history and like half the fan base will give you an A offseason grade so far.


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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#793 » by BlackOutBuzz » Tue Jul 1, 2025 12:20 pm

wilson115 wrote:This right? How are they taking on Plumlee 2.0?

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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#794 » by JMAC3 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:04 pm

BlackOutBuzz wrote:
wilson115 wrote:This right? How are they taking on Plumlee 2.0?

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It's a vet min deal.

It's fine

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I don't care about Plumlee, nor his 3.6 million dollar deal in a vacuum.
What matters to me is that that
1. This takes a roster spot, so immediately you are cutting Okogie or NSJ or giving Sion a 2way.
2. This means Curry is likely gone as the Vet.
3. We are likely done chasing other centers now, which is the biggest reason why I don't like it.

If we had 6 open roster spots then I wouldn't care but it is more the trickle down effect why this move sucks so much to me.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#795 » by Chapelchilla » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:31 pm

It seems pretty obvious that Sharpe and the nets had already agreed to a deal before they made him a UFA. That was not his top value and he signed immediately. Most of the other guys went to already good teams.
I expect we are trying to develop Kalk and actually like Moussa. Plumlee was a cheap vet leftover to take some bullets while Kalk gets up to speed. As I wrote before the plumlee signing, I think next year we add a much bigger name big in a trade or the draft. Clearly, they want all the new guys to play real minutes and develop into a team. They are being methodical and building up a young core.
They aren't going to be tanking outright but they aren't putting in all the chips yet either. They told us that. Unless - the newbs are looking much better than expected at the deadline and we decide to make a play for it then. Deals may come up as the season goes on. We have trade chips and moveable parts.
I get the frustration with hoping for more help immediately, but I am excited to watch this new group of rooks and Sexton play with a healthy Melo, Miller and Miles.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#796 » by Bassman » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:45 pm

BINGO JMAC!

With all due respect to our fellow board posters, are you a victim of Hornets PTSD? I understand…I’m one of you. But accepting just another pathetic move of mediocrity as acceptable is a bad symptom.

We have no media that tries to hold this Hornets front office accountable for anything. They lapdog at every opportunity. Who’s going to challenge Peterson on why he wouldn’t spend a little more money to get a much better center after he traded away our starter and reserve centers? I like Kalkbrenner but it’s not like we drafted Wemby and can roll him out as a starter day 1.

Is he this cheap? Did none of the other free agents who went for pretty reasonable money NOT WANT TO COME HERE? Hell, it’s a pretty wide open runway for a guy to land and be THE MAN in the middle right away, with some pretty strong talent all around you. Sharpe re-signed with the Nets for 2 years, $12M. We could have topped that by many millions and even an extra year. Did he not want to come home to NC? You can’t tell me Peterson isn’t fully aware of how much better a player Sharpe is than the Plumber. What the hell Jeffie? :banghead:
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#797 » by yosemiteben » Tue Jul 1, 2025 1:57 pm

JMAC3 wrote:
BlackOutBuzz wrote:
wilson115 wrote:This right? How are they taking on Plumlee 2.0?

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It's a vet min deal.

It's fine

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I don't care about Plumlee, nor his 3.6 million dollar deal in a vacuum.
What matters to me is that that
1. This takes a roster spot, so immediately you are cutting Okogie or NSJ or giving Sion a 2way.
2. This means Curry is likely gone as the Vet.
3. We are likely done chasing other centers now, which is the biggest reason why I don't like it.

If we had 6 open roster spots then I wouldn't care but it is more the trickle down effect why this move sucks so much to me.

I agree with this analysis, but it still doesn't bother me that much. This is basically Taj Gibson 2.0.

The roster spot shuffle is interesting and I'm curious if something resembling a consolidation trade is coming to clear that out.

I don't care about Seth being gone as a vet.

On chasing other centers, I agree in the short term but I doubt they think they've solved our C rotation long term so I'm curious what the long term vision is. I at least appreciate that we are in a position to quickly pivot and take advantage of an opportunity at C that presents itself. If the season starts and our C rotation is clearly not getting it done (I have zero insight on Kalkbrenner and don't know how reliable he could be in our rotation), we can just cut Mason (or Kalkbrenner I suppose if he's awful) and we'll still have both our MLE and annual exemption to get a replacement, assuming they don't otherwise use it, plus lots of tradeable salary and draft assets.

I'm just struggling to conceptualize what sort of C we want. Diabate is a very mobile, defensive oriented big with virtually no shooting ability. My understanding is Kalkbrenner is a drop dependent big with spread skills. I'm just not sure which of these two archetypes is more interesting. I wonder if part of the logic here is that they are interested in going 5 out and maybe they think Grant and Salaun could plausibly spend time at the 5.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#798 » by KembaWalker » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:05 pm

the "Next Year™"s are comin out early this season
last year I was told this year we start trying
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#799 » by KingCat » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:36 pm

KembaWalker wrote:Its funny to me that you can nab the by far lowest wctive winning percentage player in the league, draft an extremely limited upside class that neither optimized talent or fit, reacquire some of the biggest bums in team history and like half the fan base will give you an A offseason grade so far.


I'm shocked too. A lot of the fanbase is acting like JP is Presti just cause of the Sexton move. Lockon Hornets has been so positive about everything we've done, that it's starting to feel like propaganda lol. Our ceiling right now is still 9th seed playin.
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Re: Offseason 2025 Thread 

Post#800 » by Chapelchilla » Tue Jul 1, 2025 2:41 pm

KembaWalker wrote:the "Next Year™"s are comin out early this season
last year I was told this year we start trying


No, they are not trying to ACTIVELY lose this year.

I believe (and the owners said much of this to us in person in their "plan")
this year is about working in the new guys, seeing where they need to add more talent, acquiring more players via the draft, maybe also a big trade at the deadline or more likely next summer , adding picks thru roster moves and smaller trades, changing the culture, getting stronger and learning how to play with a more consistent team of actual NBA players. Having a consistent rotation of dudes that plays together and builds chemistry.

This is a full 3 season planned rebuild and we are about 2/3 of the way through is the way I read it.

I am fine with being organically better and more entertaining next year. Smarter Passionate Healthy Players who work hard and are more productive is more easy to be a fan of then the garbage g leaguers, lazy guys, and the "needs a day off" crew.

I'm guessing 32-42 wins unless we make a surprise huge deal now or at the deadline if we are better than expected at that point. Here's to hoping.....

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