Schroder's gone

[bstein14]

Detroit trades Schroeder & gets Duncan Robinson
Miami trades Duncan Robinson and gets John Collins
Sacramento trades Malik Monk & gets Schroeder
Utah trades John Collins & gets Malik Monk (plus a few 2nds)

Something like this is brewing I think.... lots of pieces moving but it sounds like Miami wants Collins and Collins wants to go to Miami. Jazz getting rid of Sexton and Jordan Clarkston creates some level of need for another wing scorer like Monk.

[Mo_Speights5]

I don’t want Monk

Hopefully something gets worked out where we land Robinson instead. We need his 3 point shooting more than what Monk brings.

Who is replacing Schroder then, according to you?

[MotownMadness]

I don’t want Monk

Hopefully something gets worked out where we land Robinson instead. We need his 3 point shooting more than what Monk brings.

Who is replacing Schroder then, according to you?

Probably gonna have to be like the beginning of last year with Ivey and Sasser covering it for now. What they really need is a 4 but that’s probably not happening.

[thesack12]

I get that Beasley and Schroder were solid and nice fits while they were in Detroit, but I don't get the massive amount of angst in trying to "replace" them.

Those 2 guys are the definition of NBA journeyman. Schroder/Beasley type talents/roles aren't special. Those types aren't that hard to come by.

Detroit needs a steady veteran at backup PG, and a spot up shooting specialist (granted a high % one). These are not foundational roles of the makeup of the roster.

[DetroitSho]

Probably my favorite half year piston ever. He got us one playoff win

2nd. Sheed can't be surpassed here

Sheed played 5 1/2 years here. In your scenario, it would be Mike James.

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[Crymson]

Looks like the Kings are trying to squeeze us.

Play hardball. They don’t need Monk and nobody else is trying to get him.

Monk may well be a better bet than anyone the Pistons would be able to acquire with the Room MLE, which would be the alternative if a Schroder S&T falls through.

[Snakebites]

I get that Beasley and Schroder were solid and nice fits while they were in Detroit, but I don't get the massive amount of angst in trying to "replace" them.

Those 2 guys are the definition of NBA journeyman. Schroder/Beasley type talents/roles aren't special. Those types aren't that hard to come by.

Detroit needs a steady veteran at backup PG, and a spot up shooting specialist (granted a high % one). These are not foundational roles of the makeup of the roster.

Beasley did not play like a journeyman last year. Exactly 3 players in NBA history have had seasons where they hit more threes than him- the value of what he did for us off-ball is massive. Not having it will be a loss.

[Snakebites]

Looks like the Kings are trying to squeeze us.

Play hardball. They don’t need Monk and nobody else is trying to get him.

Monk may well be a better bet than anyone the Pistons would be able to acquire with the Room MLE, which would be the alternative if a Schroder S&T falls through.

It looks to me like we operated without cap space. No room MLE. Caris got non-taxpayer MLE money.

[flow]

I get that Beasley and Schroder were solid and nice fits while they were in Detroit, but I don't get the massive amount of angst in trying to "replace" them.

Those 2 guys are the definition of NBA journeyman. Schroder/Beasley type talents/roles aren't special. Those types aren't that hard to come by.

Detroit needs a steady veteran at backup PG, and a spot up shooting specialist (granted a high % one). These are not foundational roles of the makeup of the roster.

Schroder was our 2nd best player in the playoffs. He's a dog and he rises to the pressure. And his arrival here added a dynamic the team hadn't had. If that's not hard to come by, then go get it, because now it's not here.

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[thesack12]

I get that Beasley and Schroder were solid and nice fits while they were in Detroit, but I don't get the massive amount of angst in trying to "replace" them.

Those 2 guys are the definition of NBA journeyman. Schroder/Beasley type talents/roles aren't special. Those types aren't that hard to come by.

Detroit needs a steady veteran at backup PG, and a spot up shooting specialist (granted a high % one). These are not foundational roles of the makeup of the roster.

Beasley did not play like a journeyman last year. Exactly 3 players in NBA history have had seasons where they hit more threes than him- the value of what he did for us off-ball is massive. Not having it will be a loss.

A loss, sure. A catastrophic team breaking type of loss, I'm not so sure.

Journeyman type guys frequently have spiked production/performances (coincidentally those frequently happen in contract years.) If Beasley proved to be a consistent asset, he wouldn't be constantly passed around the league like a hot potato. Especially when he's never been all that expensive.

[thesack12]

I get that Beasley and Schroder were solid and nice fits while they were in Detroit, but I don't get the massive amount of angst in trying to "replace" them.

Those 2 guys are the definition of NBA journeyman. Schroder/Beasley type talents/roles aren't special. Those types aren't that hard to come by.

Detroit needs a steady veteran at backup PG, and a spot up shooting specialist (granted a high % one). These are not foundational roles of the makeup of the roster.

Schroder was our 2nd best player in the playoffs. He's a dog and he rises to the pressure. And his arrival here added a dynamic the team hadn't had. If that's not hard to come by, then go get it, because now it's not here.

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That says more about the team around him's performance, more than it does about Schroder.

Lots of folks around here didn't want Schroder at the TDL..... Because he's Dennis Schroder

[oldncreaky]

I get that Beasley and Schroder were solid and nice fits while they were in Detroit, but I don't get the massive amount of angst in trying to "replace" them.

Those 2 guys are the definition of NBA journeyman. Schroder/Beasley type talents/roles aren't special. Those types aren't that hard to come by.

Detroit needs a steady veteran at backup PG, and a spot up shooting specialist (granted a high % one). These are not foundational roles of the makeup of the roster.

Beasley did not play like a journeyman last year. Exactly 3 players in NBA history have had seasons where they hit more threes than him- the value of what he did for us off-ball is massive. Not having it will be a loss.

A loss, sure. A catastrophic team breaking type of loss, I'm not so sure.

Journeyman type guys frequently have spiked production/performances (coincidentally those frequently happen in contract years.) If Beasley proved to be a consistent asset, he wouldn't be constantly passed around the league like a hot potato. Especially when he's never been all that expensive.

Agree.

Schroeder had a good run in DET. However, that is typical of Dennis at the end of a contract. Dennis has the talent to be one of the better 6th-man, but at each of his last half dozen stops, he has chafed whenever he doesn't get to start etc.

Beasley had a career year. I wasn't really expecting him to repeat it, either on the Pistons or elsewhere. I think he was/is good value at the TPMLE or below, and was hoping we could keep him on a nice contract, but I'd be leery of paying more.

[Billl]

In terms of team building, I don't think it's necessary to sign all of our role players back. But we do need to keep signing guys who can play those particular roles. Having some quality floor spacers around cade is the absolute bare minimum we need to expect.

[flow]

I get that Beasley and Schroder were solid and nice fits while they were in Detroit, but I don't get the massive amount of angst in trying to "replace" them.

Those 2 guys are the definition of NBA journeyman. Schroder/Beasley type talents/roles aren't special. Those types aren't that hard to come by.

Detroit needs a steady veteran at backup PG, and a spot up shooting specialist (granted a high % one). These are not foundational roles of the makeup of the roster.

Schroder was our 2nd best player in the playoffs. He's a dog and he rises to the pressure. And his arrival here added a dynamic the team hadn't had. If that's not hard to come by, then go get it, because now it's not here.

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That says more about the team around him's performance, more than it does about Schroder.

Lots of folks around here didn't want Schroder at the TDL..... Because he's Dennis Schroder

Those folks were ignorant to the subject and ended up eating crow quickly.

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[TPA]

I get that Beasley and Schroder were solid and nice fits while they were in Detroit, but I don't get the massive amount of angst in trying to "replace" them.

Those 2 guys are the definition of NBA journeyman. Schroder/Beasley type talents/roles aren't special. Those types aren't that hard to come by.

Detroit needs a steady veteran at backup PG, and a spot up shooting specialist (granted a high % one). These are not foundational roles of the makeup of the roster.

Schroder was our 2nd best player in the playoffs. He's a dog and he rises to the pressure. And his arrival here added a dynamic the team hadn't had. If that's not hard to come by, then go get it, because now it's not here.

.

That says more about the team around him's performance, more than it does about Schroder.

Lots of folks around here didn't want Schroder at the TDL..... Because he's Dennis Schroder

Is that right? I don't remember it that way... Maybe some, but I think most posters here understood the need for a good backup PG. Schroder was that, and it didn't cost Detroit much to take him on...

[Kilo]

Sacto traded Val for Saric. Not sure if this has any impact on any interest in S&T. Monk for Schroder with nothing else attached would be a coup for Detroit.

[Crymson]

It looks to me like we operated without cap space. No room MLE. Caris got non-taxpayer MLE money.

The Pistons can operate over the cap only if they take back a significant salary in exchange for Schroder. They'll otherwise be a cap space team by default -- unless they manage to swing something highly improbable sign-and-trade with a big one-plus-non-guaranteed contract to THJ -- and LeVert and Reed will fit right into cap space.

Teams can't just *choose* to operate above the cap; they need to actually *be* above the cap in order to do so.

[Snakebites]

It looks to me like we operated without cap space. No room MLE. Caris got non-taxpayer MLE money.

The Pistons can operate over the cap only if they take back a significant salary in exchange for Schroder. They'll otherwise be a cap space team by default -- unless they manage to swing something highly improbable sign-and-trade with a big one-plus-non-guaranteed contract to THJ -- and LeVert and Reed will fit right into cap space.

Teams can't just *choose* to operate above the cap; they need to actually *be* above the cap in order to do so.

I thought we might be over without Dennis. Haven’t looked at it all that closely.

[LSV]

Made, and not with S&T

[aad]

Welp no SNT