Rebound Mound wrote:The Rockets are loaded.
Three centers and Sengun,
Then KD and Finney-Smith.
Thomsn and Eason, Whitmore, VV, Holiday, Green...
I can feel someone would be unhappy with the minutes on the floor.
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Rebound Mound wrote:The Rockets are loaded.
Three centers and Sengun,
Then KD and Finney-Smith.
Thomsn and Eason, Whitmore, VV, Holiday, Green...
lilfishi22 wrote:Saberestar wrote:lilfishi22 wrote:I'm going to say something that might be a bit divisive but I've kinda gone the other way on the Williams trade. At first I thought value was fine, 2 late FRP's isn't going to break the draft bank but as I laid out the moves we made and what we walked away with in the end, it's kinda poor value and to be completely frank, could we have made do with Nick Richards as the placeholder starting 5 but splitting time with Maluach?
1. Richards isn't as good as Williams and I know people weren't happy with him last season but he's great value and gives you the big man basics
2. Doesn't create a logjam at the 5 between Williams and our C of the future, Maluach
3. Richards is also the sensible/logical starting 5 in name only, holding down the position until Maluach has had a few months NBA games under his belt and you can then gradually rework the balance in minutes between Richards and Maluach.
4. If we didn't do the Williams trade, Fleming would still have been there because he was available at #29 and we get to keep the 2029 pick for something else
5. The Fleming move also cost a net of 4 future SRP. There were 2 future seconds that went to Brooklyn for the #36 which we then packaged with another 2 future SRPs to get the Wolves' #31. Is that really a good use of most of the SRP haul we got from the KD trade?
First...we got Mark Williams AND 2029 Suns 2nd for Micic + #29 + 2029 FRP (superlow because it will be the worst of 3-4 teams).
That trade is AMAZING. We got him literally for no one (Micic is gonna play in Europe next year) + #29.
In 2029 we just downgraded from #25+ to (probably) #40+.
Health issues..of course...but this guy is 23 years old and putting already 15/10/2.5 numbers and he keeps improving so it's high reward acquisition and the price was really low.
I am pretty happy with the trade and I was suggesting to get him in 26th April. Here is my post where I was giving up a bit more for him in a trade this offseason:Another high risk high reward player would be Mark Williams from the Hornets.
I know that the Lakers canceled the trade but he kept playing after the trade deadline with some game DNP here and there and he was the same very good starting C anytime he played for his team.
Not sure about what is the biggest concern about his health, probably some foot issues, but he is an impactful young player. Can he play over 60 games per season in his prime?
Next year it will be his 4th season in the league and he would want a new contract. If we can get him we would have his rights to match any offer and we can see how injury prone he is o he isn't for real.
We can send Cody Martin back to Charlotte next to our two late FRPs available for a trade.
I think they would want more for him
Knetch and 1 unprotected FRP is much more than the offer that I said but probably his value is lower this summer. Just an idea to try a different thing.
Doesn't really address the value points
1. Cost us 2 FRPs for an injury prone (at 23) player and also introduced redundancy at the C position. Richards would've been a really good placeholder C until Maluach is ready. Even if Richards isn't a factor, you still have 2 guys at the 5 who I anticipate either of which could be the C of the future. Maybe the price tag was low for a reason but I'm not completely convinced that was a value move.
2. It essentially cost us 4 SRPs to buy a single SRP. Granted it's the #1 pick in the 2nd round but Fleming was also available at #29. Again, I like the player we took but there are certainly shades of an Ishbia move here, throwing all of these assets to get the guy he wants.
3. Even if you don't consider either the 4 SRPs or the 2 FRPs to be good on their own, there are opportunity costs because they may have been useful in other moves eg getting off Beal
Essentially, if we didn't do that one Mark Williams trade, we would still have Maluach, we would still have Fleming and we would still have 4 SRPs and 2029 FRP
Frank Lee wrote:Competition is one thing…. Respect is another.
Plus we have so little to offer and with each signing our opportunities diminish. If anything, we are trying to dump talent disguised as salary.
Sorry for the dark cloud, but yall need to look at the weather forecast
Frank Lee wrote:Competition is one thing…. Respect is another.
Plus we have so little to offer and with each signing our opportunities diminish. If anything, we are trying to dump talent disguised as salary.
Sorry for the dark cloud, but yall need to look at the weather forecast
Fifii wrote:Fo-Real wrote:Fifii wrote:Hi again. I’m back after one season break. I don’t like that we trade KD. I’m a little disappointed fact that he join us to give us a ring. He leave without ring and one series winning. It wasn't supposed to be like this but which is more important we don’t get back even 50% value when we got for him.
I like that we have Dilon. This is kind of player you love if he is in your team and hate if opposite. Maybe he control our locker room and DB don’t be little pussy.
Our picks from draft was good but I describe a little more when they are playing in SL and couple matches in the NBA.
Chris Paul said he chose between LA and Phoenix. He is perfect fit for us, but I don’t know that he would like come for minimum. Maybe he look for any exception.
Maybe we should trade one of our center + Grayson for Austin? I know that Ayton is targeting, but it’s worth trying.
Our guy from Euroleague interesting move.
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starbosa10 wrote:King4Day wrote:
That'd be fun, would like to see more people go east lol
BobbieL wrote:starbosa10 wrote:King4Day wrote:
That'd be fun, would like to see more people go east lol
If they sign Ayton
I truly wonder if they would ask about Beal
Dame out would create a possible lost year for Giannis
WeekapaugGroove wrote:having Dame on a big expiring WITHOUT a no trade clause is probably worth it to flip Beal for Dame if that was a possibility.
Ghost of Kleine wrote:
I really hope that the Bucks land Ayton girls two big reasons!
1- It further screws over the teams that wouldn't trade better assets for KD because they were holding out for a potential Giannis trade ( San Antonio, Miami, Brooklyn, New York, etc).
I hope that Giannis resigns there, and these teams completely miss out because I'm petty like that.......lol.
2- The Lakers become even more desperate in needing a center option and they also happen to desperately need a SG/ SF. So perhaps we could broker a trade for Richards and O'neale for Vincent or Kleber ($11 million expiring contracts) and Goodwins' expiring.
So we'd get off of O'neales' multi year money and the flakers get their center and Finney Smith replacement ??
Then we could look to buy out or trade Vincent or Klebers' $11 million expiring contract around the deadline and get under the 2nd apron and/ or glean an asset ( 2nds or whatever). And Vincent would give us a more legit backup guard option, or if Kleber, a more legit PF/ small center option??
starbosa10 wrote:
Or the pacers....they offered him before