Shams: Turner to MIL

[Wizop]

Andrew Nembhard / TJ McConnell
Bennedict Mathurin / Ben Sheppard
Aaron Nesmith / Jarace Walker
Pascal Siakam / Obi Toppin

If they can solve the centre position, there's a decent team there. Still probably outside of the Top 8 in the East, but something for Haliburton to return to in 2026/2027.

but is it outside the top 10?

[BK_2020]

Andrew Nembhard / TJ McConnell
Bennedict Mathurin / Ben Sheppard
Aaron Nesmith / Jarace Walker
Pascal Siakam / Obi Toppin

If they can solve the centre position, there's a decent team there. Still probably outside of the Top 8 in the East, but something for Haliburton to return to in 2026/2027.

but is it outside the top 10?

The worst five teams in the East are Boston, Brookly, Charlotte, Toronto, and Washington, D.C. Indy are in the next tier with the Bulls and the Heat. They could make the lottery but it's not a lock.

[Troubadour]

Andrew Nembhard / TJ McConnell
Bennedict Mathurin / Ben Sheppard
Aaron Nesmith / Jarace Walker
Pascal Siakam / Obi Toppin

If they can solve the centre position, there's a decent team there. Still probably outside of the Top 8 in the East, but something for Haliburton to return to in 2026/2027.

but is it outside the top 10?

The worst five teams in the East are Boston, Brookly, Charlotte, Toronto, and Washington, D.C. Indy are in the next tier with the Bulls and the Heat. They could make the lottery but it's not a lock.

You think the Celtics are bottom five? Derrick White and Jaylen Brown feels like the foundation of a play-in team to me.

[aim2please]

Feel bad for Pacers fans. They have a great front office, but their ownership is awful. They made a bunch of money with two playoff runs in a row. You can't pay some tax for a few seasons to give these guys a chance? If Turner got $30M+ a year, I would understand, but his contract was reasonable.

Some of these owners view their team strictly as a business. They couldn't care less about winning.

[psman2]

Random question..

If Giannis still demands out (I hope he doesn’t).. Is Milwaukee better off with the dead cap and the asset that Turner is or with the two year anchor that Dame would’ve been?

Turner should return an asset or if you get enough for Giannis maybe you don’t tank and Turner sticks around as a floor raising starter..

But then you pay Dame through your 2026’s draft pick rookie contract..

I think I take Turner and deal with the dead cap even if Giannis demands out. But think I’d be in minority.

If Turner can return a 1st then I move him. Even with the Giannis return the Bucks are likely still going to be in asset deficient. I don't think Turner has another gear in his game and likely will look worse on a post Giannis dysfunctional team.

[Mavrelous]

Sure sure Marc, he was considering not picking it up, wink wink

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[Godaddycurse]

Random question..

If Giannis still demands out (I hope he doesn’t).. Is Milwaukee better off with the dead cap and the asset that Turner is or with the two year anchor that Dame would’ve been?

Turner should return an asset or if you get enough for Giannis maybe you don’t tank and Turner sticks around as a floor raising starter..

But then you pay Dame through your 2026’s draft pick rookie contract..

I think I take Turner and deal with the dead cap even if Giannis demands out. But think I’d be in minority.

If Turner can return a 1st then I move him. Even with the Giannis return the Bucks are likely still going to be in asset deficient. I don't think Turner has another gear in his game and likely will look worse on a post Giannis dysfunctional team.

Hard to say if 22M space over 3 years is worth more than the return that Turner would fetch. but yes agree they move turner if giannis is gone

[psman2]

but is it outside the top 10?

The worst five teams in the East are Boston, Brookly, Charlotte, Toronto, and Washington, D.C. Indy are in the next tier with the Bulls and the Heat. They could make the lottery but it's not a lock.

You think the Celtics are bottom five? Derrick White and Jaylen Brown feels like the foundation of a play-in team to me.

Boston would have to really lean into the tank, which they might since it would lead to the best future chance of winning. Hard to imagine they tank hard enough to get a top 5 worse record though.

[Wizop]

The worst five teams in the East are Boston, Brookly, Charlotte, Toronto, and Washington, D.C. Indy are in the next tier with the Bulls and the Heat. They could make the lottery but it's not a lock.

will Philly be healthy enough to move back into the top 10?

[MoneyTalks41890]

Not having a team to rehab with is a downside imo. But it is good that Dame is no longer stuck with Milwaukee if he wasn’t happy.

[BK_2020]

but is it outside the top 10?

The worst five teams in the East are Boston, Brookly, Charlotte, Toronto, and Washington, D.C. Indy are in the next tier with the Bulls and the Heat. They could make the lottery but it's not a lock.

You think the Celtics are bottom five? Derrick White and Jaylen Brown feels like the foundation of a play-in team to me.

They are starting Anfernee Simons, Georges Niang, and Neemias Queta. They don't have a single player who can draw two or run the pick and roll. Georges Niang might be their best rebounder. They are likely to lose yet another rotation player in Hauser. It's gonna be 82 games of Jaylen Brown dribbling for 15 seconds then throwing a grenade to White. No one's getting in the way of the Celtics getting Cam Boozer.

[BK_2020]

The worst five teams in the East are Boston, Brookly, Charlotte, Toronto, and Washington, D.C. Indy are in the next tier with the Bulls and the Heat. They could make the lottery but it's not a lock.

will Philly be healthy enough to move back into the top 10?

It will take some next level bad luck for Philly to endure another season where they lose 4 of their top 5 to long-term injuries.

[Boneman2]

I'm good with losing Myles for nothing as opposed to committing future cap space on him or whomever Milwaukee would've sent via s&t. The Pacers need to be more concerned about the development of Bennedict and Jarace during Hali's recuperation. Once Pacer fans get over the nostalgia, they will see that having financial flexibility is far more valuable than re-signing him. Not necessarily for next season, but when Hali returns.

[basketballwacko2]

Feel bad for Pacers fans. They have a great front office, but their ownership is awful. They made a bunch of money with two playoff runs in a row. You can't pay some tax for a few seasons to give these guys a chance? If Turner got $30M+ a year, I would understand, but his contract was reasonable.

Some of these owners view their team strictly as a business. They couldn't care less about winning.

The ownership kept the team in Indianapolis! This is a small market you can pay tax if you're going to the finals but when you are not and don't have a shot at it you can't. They made a great run with what they had.

The Bucks made a crazy move to stretch waive Lillard and get Turner, long term I think this blows up in their face. They don't have an NBA point point guard and no draft flexibility. PLUS $22.5 million of dead cap for the next 5 years.

[gswhoops]

The worst five teams in the East are Boston, Brookly, Charlotte, Toronto, and Washington, D.C. Indy are in the next tier with the Bulls and the Heat. They could make the lottery but it's not a lock.

You think the Celtics are bottom five? Derrick White and Jaylen Brown feels like the foundation of a play-in team to me.

They are starting Anfernee Simons, Georges Niang, and Neemias Queta. They don't have a single player who can draw two or run the pick and roll. Georges Niang might be their best rebounder. They are likely to lose yet another rotation player in Hauser. It's gonna be 82 games of Jaylen Brown dribbling for 15 seconds then throwing a grenade to White. No one's getting in the way of the Celtics getting Cam Boozer.

I would be 0% surprised if Brown milks his post-surgery rehab until well into the middle of the season.

Come back in 2026 with a lineup of Dybantsa, White, Brown, Tatum, and whoever at C.

[basketballwacko2]

Random question..

If Giannis still demands out (I hope he doesn’t).. Is Milwaukee better off with the dead cap and the asset that Turner is or with the two year anchor that Dame would’ve been?

Turner should return an asset or if you get enough for Giannis maybe you don’t tank and Turner sticks around as a floor raising starter..

But then you pay Dame through your 2026’s draft pick rookie contract..

I think I take Turner and deal with the dead cap even if Giannis demands out. But think I’d be in minority.

If Turner can return a 1st then I move him. Even with the Giannis return the Bucks are likely still going to be in asset deficient. I don't think Turner has another gear in his game and likely will look worse on a post Giannis dysfunctional team.

Don't forget Turner has a 15% trade kicker on his deal and they can't trade him for a while, until his FA signing restriction expires.

[basketballwacko2]

but is it outside the top 10?

The worst five teams in the East are Boston, Brookly, Charlotte, Toronto, and Washington, D.C. Indy are in the next tier with the Bulls and the Heat. They could make the lottery but it's not a lock.

You think the Celtics are bottom five? Derrick White and Jaylen Brown feels like the foundation of a play-in team to me.

As long as Brown and White are healthy Boston is not a bottom 5 team.

[psman2]

Random question..

If Giannis still demands out (I hope he doesn’t).. Is Milwaukee better off with the dead cap and the asset that Turner is or with the two year anchor that Dame would’ve been?

Turner should return an asset or if you get enough for Giannis maybe you don’t tank and Turner sticks around as a floor raising starter..

But then you pay Dame through your 2026’s draft pick rookie contract..

I think I take Turner and deal with the dead cap even if Giannis demands out. But think I’d be in minority.

If Turner can return a 1st then I move him. Even with the Giannis return the Bucks are likely still going to be in asset deficient. I don't think Turner has another gear in his game and likely will look worse on a post Giannis dysfunctional team.

Don't forget Turner has a 15% trade kicker on his deal and they can't trade him for a while, until his FA signing restriction expires.

Still likely will keep value into this year's deadline, especially if the Bucks take on money....at that point the bucks are going to be bad and cap wrecked for awhile so more bad salary is not going to matter.

[machu46]

Bucks still waifer thin,
Giannis, porter, Turner, kuzma, trent.

Am I missing anyone decent?

They still have a steep hill to climb to make that team good

Bucks fans may sell you on Tauren Prince being the best shooter in the NBA

You will not find many Bucks that will vouch for Prince lol. He's fine a minimum contract, but most fans are hoping he'll be used very minimally. I would say the two players being left off are AJ Green and Portis (and also, Kuzma has basically a 0% approval rating amongst Bucks fans).

It is what it is. Turner is a huge pickup for the Bucks and given the fact that Boston and Indiana seem to be taking the year off, there's at least a semblance of a chance that Milwaukee could make a run again (though I have to imagine Cleveland and New York remain heavy favorites).

The nice thing is Milwaukee was able to add Turner without getting rid of the few assets they have so they can still potentially use those future picks for something if they want. My guess is that Milwaukee heads into the season with Porter as the lead guard, but they desperately need another ball-handler in the mix because right now, Giannis and Porter are basically the only two players capable of dribbling.

[basketballwacko2]

This is just an owner who doesn't want to spend.

I don't think that's fair. you need to build with a timeline in mind and our timeline doesn't include a big year in 2025-26 with no Tyrese.

This gives me the same feeling as when Lance jumped to the Hornets for $9 million for 3 yrs instead of taking the 5 year deal the Pacers offered him for $7.5 million with raises. If they offered Turner $22 million for 5 yrs with raises he could have made more. But maybe that was not offered. We'll see if it has the same effect.


Pacers may as well now shop Siakam for a maximum return.