NBA Trade Thread #12

[sco]

The worst that can happen is the Bulls resign Giddey after Jones and stick with what they've got. There are so many players flying around that they could consider useful.

If the Bulls have some FA(s) and I mean solid pieces not superstars, in their sights buying out Vucevic has to be strongly considered. There are teams like IND with Tony Bradley listed on the depth chart, that's embarrassing for a Finals team. But they can't send anything to the Bulls.CHA has nothing, what could they send back? The Bulls just don't need $21M of dead weight coming back to clog up next summer.

Mo Wagner, Tristan Vukcevic, Jaxson Hayes, Christiam Koloko could all join the center mix, bring back THT, Issiah Jackson and Precious Achiewa are long, Trey Lyles, Quentin Jackson,

Supposedly the Lakers are watching and waiting on MIL tearing it down and trading Giannis. The Bulls would have to hope that Vucevoc's $21.5M and maybe Terry and Carter help shuffle the money in a huge deal.

The Bulls just can't sit back and hope to improve

You're right. There are still things they can do. Maybe some star becomes surprisingly available. But if all we do beyond signing Giddey is to buyout Vuc (or get positive value in trade), I'd be happy with our offseason.

[WesPeace]

Coward?

YES please

Coby would be their cheaper Bane replacement.

They won’t trade Coward after trading up for him but I bet you could bet Jaylen Wells and a 1st.

I dont think Coby is going to be a crazy overpay. Look what is happening in the market right now.

Not bad deal, Wells is very promising kid

[MGB8]

What do the Bucks lose? I would assume Vincent and Carter are an improvement for them and helps them before lillard is back.

They really like Connaughton.

Do they now

Apparently not as much as Micic… but he is still worlds better than Vincent/Carter.

Edit - now folks are saying the trade was just a way for them to clear cap because Micic is going back to Europe? Not sure re cap and CBA intricacies. But possibly needed to enable Turner signing?

Edit #2 - Grok suggests that if Micic refuses to report and signs with another league (as potentially expected), the Bucks could suspend the contract and it wouldn’t count against the cap.

Edit #3 - apparently more likely is some sort of buy-out, where only the paid amount counts against cap? Probably already negotiated, as well?

[Infinity2152]

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Cam Johnson traded to Nuggets for Michael Porter Jr and 2032 first round pick.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/brooklyn-nets-trade-cam-johnson-in-blockbuster-deal-with-nuggets/ar-AA1HIGa3

Nets might jump into the Kuminga race now, they just traded their starting PF and MPJ can play SF.

Now how the Nuggets plan to play Jokic, Aaron Gordon and Cam Johnson together, have no clue. Maybe Aaron Gordon goes on the block.

Aaron Gordon is a PF and Cam Johnson is a SF. I don’t see the issue here.

That's interesting. I'm looking on Basketball reference.com and they have Cam listed at PF every single year. Hasn't he been playing PF next to Claxton the last few years? Yahoo has him at PF, ESPN has him at SF, but pretty sure he's been playing PF the whole time. Guess he's not much different from MPJ, I thought MPJ was more athletic, I'm not sure. Can he cover perimeter players?

MPJ has been playing SF next to Gordon, is he playing PF now?

[PistolP]

The Rockets are still looking to move Cam Whitmore per The Athletic. His per 36 numbers and interesting (21 & 7). Not sure what the Rockets would want (Ayo?) but Whitmore would be a lower risk swing than giving Kuminga a big contract.

[Infinity2152]

The Rockets are still looking to move Cam Whitmore per The Athletic. His per 36 numbers and interesting (21 & 7). Not sure what the Rockets would want (Ayo?) but Whitmore would be a lower risk swing than giving Kuminga a big contract.

They reportedly are looking to trade him because they have no minutes for him. So would think they'd want a worse player about the same price who doesn't need minutes plus draft assets, probably a vet. Or a cheaper young player who they don't have to give minutes like Phillips plus a second might be interesting to them. Every million counts. We don't really have many minutes available either, lol. But his contract has another year, I'd send Phillips and a second.

They get an expiring young player they can sit at the bottom of the bench and a second. We get a young player who could maybe get real minutes in 2026 and get a year learning the system, playing spot minutes.

[Muzbar]

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Cam Johnson traded to Nuggets for Michael Porter Jr and 2032 first round pick.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/brooklyn-nets-trade-cam-johnson-in-blockbuster-deal-with-nuggets/ar-AA1HIGa3

Nets might jump into the Kuminga race now, they just traded their starting PF and MPJ can play SF.

Now how the Nuggets plan to play Jokic, Aaron Gordon and Cam Johnson together, have no clue. Maybe Aaron Gordon goes on the block.

Aaron Gordon is a PF and Cam Johnson is a SF. I don’t see the issue here.

That's interesting. I'm looking on Basketball reference.com and they have Cam listed at PF every single year. Hasn't he been playing PF next to Claxton the last few years? Yahoo has him at PF, ESPN has him at SF, but pretty sure he's been playing PF the whole time. Guess he's not much different from MPJ, I thought MPJ was more athletic, I'm not sure. Can he cover perimeter players?

MPJ has been playing SF next to Gordon, is he playing PF now?

Bballref lists Giddey as a SF, PF, SG and PG over his first 4 season. Giddey isn't all those positions.

PFs in today's NBA are essentially SFs. Look at Jayson Tatum for example.

Cam Johnson can definitely play 'PF' in the modern NBA, but he'll play SF (for the most part) in Denver. There'll be zero fit issues.

[Infinity2152]

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Aaron Gordon is a PF and Cam Johnson is a SF. I don’t see the issue here.

That's interesting. I'm looking on Basketball reference.com and they have Cam listed at PF every single year. Hasn't he been playing PF next to Claxton the last few years? Yahoo has him at PF, ESPN has him at SF, but pretty sure he's been playing PF the whole time. Guess he's not much different from MPJ, I thought MPJ was more athletic, I'm not sure. Can he cover perimeter players?

MPJ has been playing SF next to Gordon, is he playing PF now?

Bballref lists Giddey as a SF, PF, SG and PG over his first 4 season. Giddey isn't all those positions.

PFs in today's NBA are essentially SFs. Look at Jayson Tatum for example.

Cam Johnson can definitely play 'PF' in the modern NBA, but he'll play SF (for the most part) in Denver. There'll be zero fit issues.

Het, I agree there's not much difference in Cam Johnson and MPJ. SF requires more lateral quickness, PF more strength in my humble opinion. SF's should be better man defenders, PF's should help with rebounding, shot blocking, etc. There are a lot of true PF's in the league, Zion and JJJ for instance. You might as well run all guards if different positions don't have different responsibilities. Don't know how good Cam Johnson's lateral quickness and man defense is, but AFAIK he's played PF most if not all of his career. MPJ wasn't a great defender so won't change much, but personally with Aaron Gordon and Jokic, ideally I'd look for an Iguodola, Jimmy Butler, yes Jayson Tatum type. He's 100% a prototypical SF and he would have played it much more if Porzingas and Horford could stay on the court at the same time more.

It's not really his height or size, does Cam play like a wing player? Ballhandling, shot creation, wing defense? Tatum plays more like a wing player than a traditional PF, for instance. Like you said, Giddey has played all those positions, he's still a point guard. PF and SF are as interchangeable as PG and SG or PF and center. Guys play multiple positions, they're still usually best at one.

[2weekswithpay]

The Rockets' rotation is full. They probably prefer to have a future asset like the POR pick over Ayo, who wouldn't play much unless they prioritize him over Reed Sheppard.

[GuardianEnzo]

I'm all for taking a flyer on Whitmore if the cost is low, but Shepphard is the guy I'd really love to try and pry away from them.

[Muzbar]

That's interesting. I'm looking on Basketball reference.com and they have Cam listed at PF every single year. Hasn't he been playing PF next to Claxton the last few years? Yahoo has him at PF, ESPN has him at SF, but pretty sure he's been playing PF the whole time. Guess he's not much different from MPJ, I thought MPJ was more athletic, I'm not sure. Can he cover perimeter players?

MPJ has been playing SF next to Gordon, is he playing PF now?

Bballref lists Giddey as a SF, PF, SG and PG over his first 4 season. Giddey isn't all those positions.

PFs in today's NBA are essentially SFs. Look at Jayson Tatum for example.

Cam Johnson can definitely play 'PF' in the modern NBA, but he'll play SF (for the most part) in Denver. There'll be zero fit issues.

Het, I agree there's not much difference in Cam Johnson and MPJ. SF requires more lateral quickness, PF more strength in my humble opinion. SF's should be better man defenders, PF's should help with rebounding, shot blocking, etc. There are a lot of true PF's in the league, Zion and JJJ for instance. You might as well run all guards if different positions don't have different responsibilities. Don't know how good Cam Johnson's lateral quickness and man defense is, but AFAIK he's played PF most if not all of his career. MPJ wasn't a great defender so won't change much, but personally with Aaron Gordon and Jokic, ideally I'd look for an Iguodola, Jimmy Butler, yes Jayson Tatum type. He's 100% a prototypical SF and he would have played it much more if Porzingas and Horford could stay on the court at the same time more.

It's not really his height or size, does Cam play like a wing player? Ballhandling, shot creation, wing defense? Tatum plays more like a wing player than a traditional PF, for instance. Like you said, Giddey has played all those positions, he's still a point guard. PF and SF are as interchangeable as PG and SG or PF and center. Guys play multiple positions, they're still usually best at one.

Cam is a definite upgrade over MPJ, he's still a very good shooter but he has a wider offensive game. He can create his own offense too.

Denver has retooled big time, IMO.

[2weekswithpay]

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We could try a Vuc for Collins swap.

Collins has no trade value, likely because he's overpaid, and the Jazz want to tank and play their young guys. They take Vuc and buy him out. They'd save 5M buying out Vuc vs Collins. They could save even more if Vuc is willing to return some of the money.

We get Collins for one year. I'm not the biggest fan of Collins, but he'd be the best PF we've had since Lauri.

[ChiefILL53]

Het, I agree there's not much difference in Cam Johnson and MPJ. SF requires more lateral quickness, PF more strength in my humble opinion. SF's should be better man defenders, PF's should help with rebounding, shot blocking, etc. There are a lot of true PF's in the league, Zion and JJJ for instance. You might as well run all guards if different positions don't have different responsibilities. Don't know how good Cam Johnson's lateral quickness and man defense is, but AFAIK he's played PF most if not all of his career. MPJ wasn't a great defender so won't change much, but personally with Aaron Gordon and Jokic, ideally I'd look for an Iguodola, Jimmy Butler, yes Jayson Tatum type. He's 100% a prototypical SF and he would have played it much more if Porzingas and Horford could stay on the court at the same time more.

It's not really his height or size, does Cam play like a wing player? Ballhandling, shot creation, wing defense? Tatum plays more like a wing player than a traditional PF, for instance. Like you said, Giddey has played all those positions, he's still a point guard. PF and SF are as interchangeable as PG and SG or PF and center. Guys play multiple positions, they're still usually best at one.

I think Cam is a 3/4 that came in and got slotted as a 4 because of the situation he was drafted into. That suns team had Book at the 2, Mikal at the 3, so he'd slot in at 4 and play spot minutes at 3. Ironically, Aaron gordon was kinda the same. I remember him playing the 3 in Orlando and then he got shifted over to the 4 before he got traded to denver. There wont be any fit issues. Like you said, a lot of 3s end up playing the 4 because of the way the league has gone with space and shooting (and injuries).

[ChiefILL53]

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We could try a Vuc for Collins swap.

Collins has no trade value, likely because he's overpaid, and the Jazz want to tank and play their young guys. They take Vuc and buy him out. They'd save 5M buying out Vuc vs Collins. They could save even more if Vuc is willing to return some of the money.

We get Collins for one year. I'm not the biggest fan of Collins, but he'd be the best PF we've had since Lauri.

With no trade market, wonder if we could pry a draft pick from Ainge to do it.

[Infinity2152]

Bulls from last offseason to this one:

Sign and traded Demar Derozan
Traded Caruso for Giddey. Probable future All Star, Pg for years
Drafted Matas Buzelis: Probable starter, maybe high level for years
Traded Zach lavine: Turned 1 huge contract into 3 tradeable contracts and got our draft pick back
Used that draft pick to draft Noa essengue
Traded down in the second round, got a two way contract and freed a roster spot
Put Vucevic on the trade block
Put Patrick Williams on the trade block
Re-signed Tre Jones to 3yrs/ $24 mill great deal
Traded Lonzo Ball for Okoro

And we're already 4 whole days into FA and he hasn't managed to trade Vucevic yet. Gasp.

Might argue with the results, hard to say he hasn't been extremely active.

The man has flipped damn near the whole team in a year, and everybody we don't want except Pat is expiring. Please no more mid player trades this season! No John Collins, no Kuminga's, no players that aren't good enough to replace Coby White. We re-signed Tre Jones. Great, love it, another mid player for years. Okoro could be great, probably another mid player add.

Really hoping AK is saving his ammo for a power move and looking for those, consolidate two mid pieces like Ayo, Huerter, Collins, Vucevic with White for a high-end player.

[ChiTownHero1992]

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We could try a Vuc for Collins swap.

Collins has no trade value, likely because he's overpaid, and the Jazz want to tank and play their young guys. They take Vuc and buy him out. They'd save 5M buying out Vuc vs Collins. They could save even more if Vuc is willing to return some of the money.

We get Collins for one year. I'm not the biggest fan of Collins, but he'd be the best PF we've had since Lauri.

Why pick up Collins to take away development minutes from Buz and Essengue though? We need a five to play beside them.

[sco]

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We could try a Vuc for Collins swap.

Collins has no trade value, likely because he's overpaid, and the Jazz want to tank and play their young guys. They take Vuc and buy him out. They'd save 5M buying out Vuc vs Collins. They could save even more if Vuc is willing to return some of the money.

We get Collins for one year. I'm not the biggest fan of Collins, but he'd be the best PF we've had since Lauri.

Why pick up Collins to take away development minutes from Buz and Essengue though? We need a five to play beside them.

Fine, play Collins at the 5, but please just trade Vuc!

[ChettheJet]

The thing is before Matas showed to be the 4 I was all for getting Collins as the 6-11 usual PF playing inside and out with Vuc to get beyond the play in but now for one year, with Patrick still here to be the backup on the front line and Noa getting some experience there's no point.

I'm all for taking a flyer on Whitmore if the cost is low, but Shepphard is the guy I'd really love to try and pry away from them.

Here's what you've got to explain

who are you sitting or trading to get the playing time to even look at either of those guys

Giddey, White, Jones, Dosunmu, Huerter and this is ignoring Carter and Terry
even if you want to list Giddey as the SF,

how many meaningful minutes per game do you see for Whitmore or Shepphard, honestly? With no pie in the sky trades where the Bulls get nothing but picks in return

[2weekswithpay]

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We could try a Vuc for Collins swap.

Collins has no trade value, likely because he's overpaid, and the Jazz want to tank and play their young guys. They take Vuc and buy him out. They'd save 5M buying out Vuc vs Collins. They could save even more if Vuc is willing to return some of the money.

We get Collins for one year. I'm not the biggest fan of Collins, but he'd be the best PF we've had since Lauri.

Why pick up Collins to take away development minutes from Buz and Essengue though? We need a five to play beside them.

We have 2 fives. Zach Collins and Smith.

Few players on this team are worth investing in. Just play Buz and Essengue. Pat, Terry, and Phillips shouldn't take minutes away from them.

Giddey/Tre
Coby/Ayo
Huerter/Matas
Collins/Noa
Z.Collins/Smith

This is a fine 10-man rotation.

[Infinity2152]

Starting to see the Anfernee Simons for Vucevic trade in a new light. We're going to have a logjam somewhere whether we make a trade or not. Simons is expiring, younger than Coby. If he plays sixth man, he's great Coby insurance if they decide to ride Coby until free agency. Even if he's not as good as Coby, we might be able to extend Simons during the season at a relatively cheap sixth man rate and have some leverage.

Giddey/Jones/Carter, Terry
White/Simons/Ayo
Okoro/Huerter/Phillips
Matas/Williams/Essengue
Collins/Smith/

Deal they talked about was Simons and a second for Vucevic. Despite his flaws, Simons is undoubtedly the most talented player we should expect in a Vucevic trade. Maybe they do Simons for Vucevic and Carter, straight up, no pick. They still save a little money, get a center and vet PG and we clear Carter and a roster spot.

He's also great insurance if a Coby trade comes up for something other than SG.