Where Jonathan Kuminga ends ?

[cpower]

A good example of why lotto talent usually dont want to be drafted to good teams. Theres lots of examples of their development taking a back seat, few examples of things working out perfectly

not really lets see if he pans out wearing another jersey. TBH warriors is the perfect team to start your career, you play along side with HOFs and learning about how to win games. Sadly after 292 games he is still not ready.

i understand why you think this but i dont think it applies to guys who want to become stars. This type of player needs the ball and needs opportunity to fail and learn from it. For guys like Podz and Moody it makes a lot of sense. I think a big part of Kumingas problem is he thinks hes way better than he is

292 games and he actually having the 2nd highest usg rating on team is not good enough? Part of reason why he is not getting more touches is because he is not good, he got outplayed by Anthony Lamb and Gui Santos for god sake.

[Wingy]

Another door opens?

Batman Begins?

Anna Begins?

It doesn’t really matter?

[DB23]

Also Kuminga is a better defender who can defend multiple positions. Green is basically a one position player. Kuminga can defend most SGs while also being able to defend Zion. Green isn't going to put on Zion anytime soon.

Biggest disappointment with Kuminga is he's a poor rebounder given his physical attributes.

That’s absolutely not true. Kuminga is an awful defender.

He's easily better than Green who can only guard 1 position, LOL.

What multiple positions are you referring to? Can you point to any single game where this was done to a high level? What’s the point of guarding multiple positions if you do it poorly?

I can’t imagine you’ve actually watched kuminga much to make that statement.

But sure if you want to say green is equally bad then no problem but don’t make out like kuminga is a good defender.

[ShootersShoot]

The problem with kuminga is that he is the type of player to get paid simply to score and not do much else. But at the same time he doesnt space the floor.

In the 4 games he started against minny in the playoffs, he averaged 3.5 rpg, 1.3apg and less than 1 steal and less than one block. That was in 30mpg..

I dont see much of a difference between him and rudy gay other than rudy was a better mid range shooter.

[magee]

S&T for Miles Bridges.

[WiggOuts]

not really lets see if he pans out wearing another jersey. TBH warriors is the perfect team to start your career, you play along side with HOFs and learning about how to win games. Sadly after 292 games he is still not ready.

i understand why you think this but i dont think it applies to guys who want to become stars. This type of player needs the ball and needs opportunity to fail and learn from it. For guys like Podz and Moody it makes a lot of sense. I think a big part of Kumingas problem is he thinks hes way better than he is

292 games and he actually having the 2nd highest usg rating on team is not good enough? Part of reason why he is not getting more touches is because he is not good, he got outplayed by Anthony Lamb and Gui Santos for god sake.

Thats fair, but development isn't linear. A big part about what makes a player who he is is what's going on in his head, and thats kind of the point I was trying to make. The numbers/stats/games played, role etc.only tell so much of the story. Theres a reason that some teams will get rid of their old alpha when bringing in someone new to take over. You want them to develop the mindset of being the man/being the alpha. Dont get me wrong, not everyone needs this, but some guys do and I'm pretty sure Kuminga is one of them. Tbh, i dont think he is a primary option either. He can definitely become a good player, the jury's not out on him and he's way too young to call a finished product

This is pure speculation on my part but I always got the impression that Draymond would be bad for the development of some young players. I could totally see him killing peoples confidence. Not everyone responds the same way

[SA37]

Kuminga needs a new setting, but no one is going to give him $30-$35M/year because he, his mamma, and his agent cross-their-heart-swear he's really worth that kind of money.

Kuminga is not going to feature for GS next season and "playing" for the QO is just risking injury on a team he won't get the kind of run that might get him the contract he thinks he deserves.

If he and his agent had any sense, they'd get him a 3-year deal with another team for ~$20M/year with a player option in year 3. Kuminga would have set-up-for-life money and a chance to be on a team where he can actually play enough to prove he's the player he says he is.

[nate33]

I wonder if he would consider signing a 1+1 MLE deal with Denver to play alongside Jokic and boost his value for a free agency run in 2026? I suppose Golden State would match that unless Denver incentivized them somehow.

[CS707]

i understand why you think this but i dont think it applies to guys who want to become stars. This type of player needs the ball and needs opportunity to fail and learn from it. For guys like Podz and Moody it makes a lot of sense. I think a big part of Kumingas problem is he thinks hes way better than he is

292 games and he actually having the 2nd highest usg rating on team is not good enough? Part of reason why he is not getting more touches is because he is not good, he got outplayed by Anthony Lamb and Gui Santos for god sake.

Thats fair, but development isn't linear. A big part about what makes a player who he is is what's going on in his head, and thats kind of the point I was trying to make. The numbers/stats/games played, role etc.only tell so much of the story. Theres a reason that some teams will get rid of their old alpha when bringing in someone new to take over. You want them to develop the mindset of being the man/being the alpha. Dont get me wrong, not everyone needs this, but some guys do and I'm pretty sure Kuminga is one of them. Tbh, i dont think he is a primary option either. He can definitely become a good player, the jury's not out on him and he's way too young to call a finished product

This is pure speculation on my part but I always got the impression that Draymond would be bad for the development of some young players. I could totally see him killing peoples confidence. Not everyone responds the same way

It's the alpha skillset that he needs to develop. He's already there in his mind, hence the disconnect with the staff.

I promise you that if he showed up to the season actually being able to walk that talk, the team would have made way for him. Steph is absolutely versatile enough to allow someone to thrive next to him.

[Bad Bart]

Bumping this thread, interested to hear what others think he does now.

[magee]

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nba/golden-state-warriors/jonathan-kuminga-trade-kings-rumors-offseason/1860441/?amp=1

I don't blame Golden State for wanting more for him. That being said, benching him and only bringing him in when they needed him isn't a great look for how they handled his player development.

He also hasn't helped himself with how he's shown his willingness to adapt. I just feel it was a "square peg, round hole" situation for both he and Golden State. They took BPA (best player available), it didn't work out, and now they are trying to re-coup Top 10 pick value for him, which they won't get.

[Mr. Perfect]

How would a Kings trade even work, S&T Kuminga for Monk and Keegan Murray? That's assuming Sacramento is willing to pay him the 30 mil+ he's looking for.

[magee]

How would a Kings trade even work, S&T Kuminga for Monk and Keegan Murray? That's assuming Sacramento is willing to pay him the 30 mil+ he's looking for.

Monk gets dealt to Detroit, Saric, Devin Carter and picks to Golden State, Kuminga to Sacto.

*I think this was the initial plan, along with Dennis Schroder going to the Kings as part of a Sign & Trade, if I'm not mistaken. Weird 3-team deal, where the Warriors might have to send something more out to Detroit in order to make the money work.

[facothomas22]

Do the Warriors just bring in back if they're not getting what they want in a sign and trade? The Warriors appear to want a lot for him and other team are not willing to meet the asking price.

[dhsilv2]

i understand why you think this but i dont think it applies to guys who want to become stars. This type of player needs the ball and needs opportunity to fail and learn from it. For guys like Podz and Moody it makes a lot of sense. I think a big part of Kumingas problem is he thinks hes way better than he is

292 games and he actually having the 2nd highest usg rating on team is not good enough? Part of reason why he is not getting more touches is because he is not good, he got outplayed by Anthony Lamb and Gui Santos for god sake.

Thats fair, but development isn't linear. A big part about what makes a player who he is is what's going on in his head, and thats kind of the point I was trying to make. The numbers/stats/games played, role etc.only tell so much of the story. Theres a reason that some teams will get rid of their old alpha when bringing in someone new to take over. You want them to develop the mindset of being the man/being the alpha. Dont get me wrong, not everyone needs this, but some guys do and I'm pretty sure Kuminga is one of them. Tbh, i dont think he is a primary option either. He can definitely become a good player, the jury's not out on him and he's way too young to call a finished product

This is pure speculation on my part but I always got the impression that Draymond would be bad for the development of some young players. I could totally see him killing peoples confidence. Not everyone responds the same way

What do you mean when you say alpha? Cause if you think Kuminga has the potential to be a go to first option type player. You're just down right insane. He doesn't have that talent or ability.

[dhsilv2]

I wonder if he would consider signing a 1+1 MLE deal with Denver to play alongside Jokic and boost his value for a free agency run in 2026? I suppose Golden State would match that unless Denver incentivized them somehow.

This is the kinda move that would make sense if he wants to gamble. That said if you can't manage a 0.00 BPM playing next to Curry. I'm not sure Jokic helps.

[ropjhk]

He needs to go to a tanking team that is willing to build up his value at the expense of winning games.

[WiggOuts]

292 games and he actually having the 2nd highest usg rating on team is not good enough? Part of reason why he is not getting more touches is because he is not good, he got outplayed by Anthony Lamb and Gui Santos for god sake.

Thats fair, but development isn't linear. A big part about what makes a player who he is is what's going on in his head, and thats kind of the point I was trying to make. The numbers/stats/games played, role etc.only tell so much of the story. Theres a reason that some teams will get rid of their old alpha when bringing in someone new to take over. You want them to develop the mindset of being the man/being the alpha. Dont get me wrong, not everyone needs this, but some guys do and I'm pretty sure Kuminga is one of them. Tbh, i dont think he is a primary option either. He can definitely become a good player, the jury's not out on him and he's way too young to call a finished product

This is pure speculation on my part but I always got the impression that Draymond would be bad for the development of some young players. I could totally see him killing peoples confidence. Not everyone responds the same way

What do you mean when you say alpha? Cause if you think Kuminga has the potential to be a go to first option type player. You're just down right insane. He doesn't have that talent or ability.

I mean I clearly stated what I think of him. This was not about what I think of him, it was about what he thinks of himself. If you read what I said it answers your question, unless you just read the word alpha and then none of the other info landed lol

[dhsilv2]

Thats fair, but development isn't linear. A big part about what makes a player who he is is what's going on in his head, and thats kind of the point I was trying to make. The numbers/stats/games played, role etc.only tell so much of the story. Theres a reason that some teams will get rid of their old alpha when bringing in someone new to take over. You want them to develop the mindset of being the man/being the alpha. Dont get me wrong, not everyone needs this, but some guys do and I'm pretty sure Kuminga is one of them. Tbh, i dont think he is a primary option either. He can definitely become a good player, the jury's not out on him and he's way too young to call a finished product

This is pure speculation on my part but I always got the impression that Draymond would be bad for the development of some young players. I could totally see him killing peoples confidence. Not everyone responds the same way

What do you mean when you say alpha? Cause if you think Kuminga has the potential to be a go to first option type player. You're just down right insane. He doesn't have that talent or ability.

I mean I clearly stated what I think of him. This was not about what I think of him, it was about what he thinks of himself. If you read what I said it answers your question, unless you just read the word alpha and then none of the other info landed lol

I didn't understand and thus I asked.

[WiggOuts]

What do you mean when you say alpha? Cause if you think Kuminga has the potential to be a go to first option type player. You're just down right insane. He doesn't have that talent or ability.

I mean I clearly stated what I think of him. This was not about what I think of him, it was about what he thinks of himself. If you read what I said it answers your question, unless you just read the word alpha and then none of the other info landed lol

I didn't understand and thus I asked.

fair enough, i retract my final statement. i sensed some hostility so i tried to match it lol