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Re: Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley 

Post#341 » by ATLTimekeeper » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:30 pm

I think it's too much money but also he was getting paid regardless. People quibble for an extra 5 million/year. It's not the difference between a good and bad contract. IQ not staying on the floor and the Raptors losing make it a bad contract.

You win and everyone looks good. It's always as simple as that. When you tank, everyone wears that stink.
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Post#342 » by HumbleRen » Tue Jul 1, 2025 3:32 pm

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DatHomieYouHaTe wrote:no1 wants these players. Not very good and overpaid from everyone's favorite Masai Ujiri. He was just handing out money like no other team would


We have maybe 2 really valuable assets.

The rest are on rookie deals. IQ, RJ and Ingram are negative assets,

While paying for a team that cost as much as contenders. :lol:

Genius retooling from Masai.


LOL. Yeah we definitely disagree.


Of course we do, you think our guys have positive trade value. :lol:
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Post#343 » by Scase » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:00 pm

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Polar bear sighting.

Knicks really bent us over on that OG trade.

This should be a video with the sesame street "One of these things is not like the other" playing in the back ground.

Thank god we're capped out all the time with zero flexibility, that's what smart and successful teams do. I wonder how long it will take the people endlessly defending every single time Masai farted, to finally start realizing the **** show he's put us in the last few years. Who am I kidding, they are already trying to pin it all on MLSE forcing him to make win now moves :crazy:

Clutch0z24 wrote:Losing Masai, Not being able to upgrade the roster in any sort of way....While teams in our conference are improving each passing day.....Makes it hard to get excited about next season....It will be fun to see how CMB does and Ingram addition...But i don't think it will translate to our record being drastically better ....We will see if we get anything in a trade...

For us to leapfrog some of these teams in the East i think we would need to get a impact player on a decent trade. Like a Sabonis level guy without trading much out.

Ok but, Masai was the reason we aren't able to upgrade the roster in any sort of way. I'm so confused how people can pine for losing Masai, and have issues with the mess of a roster/cap sheet, in the same breath.

One or the other my friend, it makes no sense to have issues with both. We didn't get into this situation by accident, this was all by design. This is what happens when you don't change with the times, it's why our roster is devoid of shooting and we keep trying to zig when everyone else is zagging. It doesn't make you a maverick, it makes you an idiot who thinks they are smarter than overarching trends.

Practically every move since the chip has been a bad one, it's impressive really.

What's the alternative to being capped out? Having cap space and not being able to sign anyone? Signing free agents to overpriced deals like we gave IQ?

They aren't zigging or sagging. They're taking calculated risks. IQ should break out, he was hidden behind Brunson. Ingram is a former all star and still in his prime years. Then we have several high potential prospects that have shown some promise.

It could be much worse than it currently is.

I feel like CPTs post should be stickied at the top of the boards for people like you.

CPT wrote:*handwaving* Free agents don't want to come here anyway (which is definitely the only practial application of cap space)
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Re: Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley 

Post#344 » by Rapsfan07 » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:07 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:IQ is going to be one of the Raps most impressive players this year and he will be well worth the money.

His all-around numbers as a Raptor are good. He's just suffered some injuries, and he was held out during a tank season.


I do hope you're right because he can't get passed his man, isn't great at creating his own shot, doesn't score well at the rim and isn't a great defender.

If his 3 ball isn't dropping, he really isn't offering much and he's getting paid a lot of money.
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Re: Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley 

Post#345 » by SharoneWright » Tue Jul 1, 2025 4:51 pm

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SharoneWright wrote:IQ signing was a joke from the start. Knicks balked at the contract demands he floated, and so smartly traded him. We did one better and paid him more than his rumoured asking price.

Just because you hope he’s a $32 million player, doesn’t mean you can wish it or pay it into existence.

The player/contract is a net negative. We’re going to have to bite the bullet on something.


Everyone is so sure of themselves until the real games start.


Well, Masai sure was. And he’s gone.

I had the opposite view of him on the IQ deal. And I’m still here ;-)
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Post#346 » by theonlyeastcoastrapsfan » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:22 pm

Masai might be here too, you don’t know that. And being here is not the flex you think it is. We’re all here too.
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Post#347 » by SharoneWright » Tue Jul 1, 2025 5:33 pm

theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:Masai might be here too, you don’t know that. And being here is not the flex you think it is. We’re all here too.


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Post#348 » by Merit » Tue Jul 1, 2025 6:55 pm

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We have maybe 2 really valuable assets.

The rest are on rookie deals. IQ, RJ and Ingram are negative assets,

While paying for a team that cost as much as contenders. :lol:

Genius retooling from Masai.


LOL. Yeah we definitely disagree.


Of course we do, you think our guys have positive trade value. :lol:


Based upon those who liked your post, it’s safe to say I’m cool with that.

Oh and, how about that Poeltl extension. We should’ve traded him for pittance though, right?
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Post#349 » by Merit » Tue Jul 1, 2025 6:56 pm

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SharoneWright wrote:IQ signing was a joke from the start. Knicks balked at the contract demands he floated, and so smartly traded him. We did one better and paid him more than his rumoured asking price.

Just because you hope he’s a $32 million player, doesn’t mean you can wish it or pay it into existence.

The player/contract is a net negative. We’re going to have to bite the bullet on something.


Everyone is so sure of themselves until the real games start.


Well, Masai sure was. And he’s gone.

I had the opposite view of him on the IQ deal. And I’m still here ;-)


LOL keep carrying the hate for Masai. You’re out here on a message board and he won a chip. One is not like the other.
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Re: Fisher: Raptors are still shopping RJ Barrett and Immanuel Quickley 

Post#350 » by Merit » Tue Jul 1, 2025 6:57 pm

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theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:Masai might be here too, you don’t know that. And being here is not the flex you think it is. We’re all here too.


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When you have to explain the joke it’s probably not funny.
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Post#351 » by Merit » Tue Jul 1, 2025 6:58 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:I think it's too much money but also he was getting paid regardless. People quibble for an extra 5 million/year. It's not the difference between a good and bad contract. IQ not staying on the floor and the Raptors losing make it a bad contract.

You win and everyone looks good. It's always as simple as that. When you tank, everyone wears that stink.


Literally this. We were tanking/developing last year and this year it shifts towards winning/developing.
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Post#352 » by SharoneWright » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:32 pm

Merit wrote:
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theonlyeastcoastrapsfan wrote:Masai might be here too, you don’t know that. And being here is not the flex you think it is. We’re all here too.


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When you have to explain the joke it’s probably not funny.


Oh, I even watered down the joke with a :wink: so even the slow coaches might get it.

I’m on a flipping message board.

But to think that everybody universally was applauding the IQ deal from the very beginning is just not true.

You can continue to uncritically believe in Masai. But you don’t need to anymore. Step into the light. Step into the freedom.
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Post#353 » by PushDaRock » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:33 pm

After this Jak extension, feels like the plan is if nothing changes to just let RJ play out these 2 seasons and have his contract come off the books and they likely have one of Ochai, Gradey or Walter replace him. If one of them really stands out, that makes the decision easier. But, things can change if the team does really well and RJ takes a big step and/or is a big part of the team's success. I think that opens up the possibility that they will go into the tax as long as it's for a good team.
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Post#354 » by Merit » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:35 pm

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When you have to explain the joke it’s probably not funny.


Oh, I watered down the joke with a :roll: so even the slow coaches might get it.

I’m on a flipping message board.

But to think that everybody universally was applauding the IQ deal from the very beginning is just not true.

You can continue to uncritically believe in Masai. But you don’t need to anymore. Step into the light. Step into the freedom.


I have been critical of Masai. I wanted him to force the tank on the team in the wemby year. I didn’t like the Thad trade.

The trade of OG for IQ and RJ is one I particularly like.

IMO the biggest issue with IQ is we haven’t seen enough of him yet. Other than that, we did really well in that trade.
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Post#355 » by Merit » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:37 pm

PushDaRock wrote:After this Jak extension, feels like the plan is if nothing changes to just let RJ play out these 2 seasons and have his contract come off the books and they likely have one of Ochai, Gradey or Walter replace him. If one of them really stands out, that makes the decision easier. But, things can change if the team does really well and RJ takes a big step and/or is a big part of the team's success. I think that opens up the possibility that they will go into the tax as long as it's for a good team.


I can foresee either or both of RJ and IQ being moved if we make a trade for a disgruntled star.
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Post#356 » by PushDaRock » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:40 pm

Merit wrote:
PushDaRock wrote:After this Jak extension, feels like the plan is if nothing changes to just let RJ play out these 2 seasons and have his contract come off the books and they likely have one of Ochai, Gradey or Walter replace him. If one of them really stands out, that makes the decision easier. But, things can change if the team does really well and RJ takes a big step and/or is a big part of the team's success. I think that opens up the possibility that they will go into the tax as long as it's for a good team.


I can foresee either or both of RJ and IQ being moved if we make a trade for a disgruntled star.


We still will likely need to be a good team for that to happen. Basically, winning games next season will open up a lot more options for us.
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Post#357 » by Mattatron » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:46 pm

fodes... who tf is this guy.
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Post#358 » by ItsDanger » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:48 pm

PushDaRock wrote:After this Jak extension, feels like the plan is if nothing changes to just let RJ play out these 2 seasons and have his contract come off the books and they likely have one of Ochai, Gradey or Walter replace him. If one of them really stands out, that makes the decision easier. But, things can change if the team does really well and RJ takes a big step and/or is a big part of the team's success. I think that opens up the possibility that they will go into the tax as long as it's for a good team.

Going into the tax for this roster would make no business sense. That's a lot of tax pool money you're ignoring.
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Post#359 » by Tripod » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:55 pm

We won't go into the tax. Relax.
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Post#360 » by Potential » Tue Jul 1, 2025 7:59 pm

Wait why are we a lottery team and in that group with those teams?
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