Shams: Myles Turner signs 4YR deal with the Bucks - BUCKS WAIVE LILLARD

[Tha Cynic]

So what happens with Dame. He signs with the Kings or something?

Miami is waiting to get him for free

[Pointgod]

Exactly, your two options are trade them and go into an absolute full rebuild, which neither team can since they have none of their picks, and MIL had that Lillard contract weighing them down by the throat, or lean into it and mortgage that future even more for a shot now.

The latter is what we did, you know, minus having a player or a team worth doing it for.

When have we ever mortgaged out future? Over the last decade, we've never traded a pick beyond the current year and outside Poeltl, we've never traded a prospect. Our future has never been mortgaged.

If you think about it, we've been a very responsible team in that sense. We contended for half a decade, won a championship, pushed for playoffs for a few years and through it all, we never sacrificed our future. Very rarely done in this league.

I don't feel like getting into the entirety of it for the millionth time. But losing FVV, holding onto Siakam/OG for too long, trading for Jak, trading for BI. All of these things have negatively impacted the future outlook of this team, be it in draft position, actual picks, or the returns we received.

This is what happens when you re-tool, we are a capped out team with few prospects and a low ceiling. Not everything has to be as blatant as waiving 100+ mil in salary, the little things add up.

The Bucks are making some insane moves, but there is logic behind it, like us going for Kawhi. Calculated risk and if you flame out, no one will blame you for trying, the opposite of trading for a 28 year old with massive injury concerns and a PO which further limits flexibility....in the future, all for meaningless wins now.

The funny thing is that if the Bucks had traded for Ingram we’d have the same posters that call him a difference maker for our team laughing at the Bucks for tying up their cap in an injury prone player that’s only made the playoffs twice and never gotten out of the first round

[YogurtProducer]

Even though it hurts them long-term, I would have done the same thing. You're screwed anyway if/when Giannis asks out (and likely out of a job), so may as well grasp at straws here.

Exactly, your two options are trade them and go into an absolute full rebuild, which neither team can since they have none of their picks, and MIL had that Lillard contract weighing them down by the throat, or lean into it and mortgage that future even more for a shot now.

The latter is what we did, you know, minus having a player or a team worth doing it for.

When have we ever mortgaged out future? Over the last decade, we've never traded a pick beyond the current year and outside Poeltl, we've never traded a prospect. Our future has never been mortgaged.

If you think about it, we've been a very responsible team in that sense. We contended for half a decade, won a championship, pushed for playoffs for a few years and through it all, we never sacrificed our future. Very rarely done in this league.

We haven’t once. Even when we grabbed Kawhi / Gasol / Ibaka we only gave up a total of 3 firsts (if I remember correctly).

The way these guys talk you’d think we gave up 4 firsts for Jakob and traded away firsts for bench help or something. (Aka - they think the Thad trade was a straight FRP deal lol).

It’s just not worth getting into it with guys like Scass. I get caught up in way more than I should, but his takes just aren’t based on reality for the most part.

The fact he’s defending the Bucks **** show and hating on ours just shows how it isn’t the moves he hates, it’s the Raptors he hates.

[YogurtProducer]

When have we ever mortgaged out future? Over the last decade, we've never traded a pick beyond the current year and outside Poeltl, we've never traded a prospect. Our future has never been mortgaged.

If you think about it, we've been a very responsible team in that sense. We contended for half a decade, won a championship, pushed for playoffs for a few years and through it all, we never sacrificed our future. Very rarely done in this league.

I don't feel like getting into the entirety of it for the millionth time. But losing FVV, holding onto Siakam/OG for too long, trading for Jak, trading for BI. All of these things have negatively impacted the future outlook of this team, be it in draft position, actual picks, or the returns we received.

This is what happens when you re-tool, we are a capped out team with few prospects and a low ceiling. Not everything has to be as blatant as waiving 100+ mil in salary, the little things add up.

The Bucks are making some insane moves, but there is logic behind it, like us going for Kawhi. Calculated risk and if you flame out, no one will blame you for trying, the opposite of trading for a 28 year old with massive injury concerns and a PO which further limits flexibility....in the future, all for meaningless wins now.

The funny thing is that if the Bucks had traded for Ingram we’d have the same posters that call him a difference maker for our team laughing at the Bucks for tying up their cap in an injury prone player that’s only made the playoffs twice and never gotten out of the first round

If MIL somehow got Ingram for Middleton and a late first i would applaud them because that would’ve been an incredible move.

Instead they got Kuzma

[duppyy]

Siakam said last few years in Toronto were dark days for him, they are about to get dark in Indiana for a year at least.

[OakleyDokely]

That's a good signing for the Bucks. Now they are 2 man team instead of a 1 man team.

[ciueli]

damn we should have kept that pick! Pelicans definitely shouldn't have traded it back to them lol

lmao we will never hear the end of it if BI doesn't work out here

That was already the case with the Ingram trade being an extremely risky move, the Indiana pick now looking like it will be decent just makes it worse. At least it was top 4 protected, so there was no chance of it being better than 5 and still a fairly low chance of it being top 10.

[sidsid]

Ya Masai and Bobby shouldve known that Haliburton was going to tear his achilles

They didn't know they were going to give up the 7th pick in the draft for Jak either, but when you give up valuable low lottery protection picks up, that's what you're risking.

That's what retooling over rebuilding looks like. When you lack patience, you give up the potential higher rewards that come with it.

They would've drafted Edey with that pick.....so it's either Poeltl or Edey.....it's not groundbreaking stuff.

Or they could have traded it for two future unprotected Minny picks the same way the Spurs with Wemby on their team did. We just had this same question about the Dumars trade of next year's best of Bucks/Pels lottery pick.

That path requires patience. Same as the Thunder championship did.

[MoneyBall]

Wasn't that long ago we had people here saying they'd trade ROY Barnes for Lillard. What a terrible mistake that would have been.

[sidsid]

5 year 22.5 mil per year stretched lillard.

That's a crazy amount of dead cap. They're really doing everything they can to go for it THIS year. They must be really worried about Giannis leaving.

Turner isn’t impact player either though. Crazy gamble move

He's a spacing C which is an absolute must to play next to Giannis (this is also a must on our team, but team building has been a huge issue for this FO since the Jak trade). and he can eat up a ton of minutes compared to the alternatives. There isn't anything out in FA which will make a difference.

It doesn't really matter because they should just be trading him. Losing this 2 year term on Giannis' contract for max trade value to set them up for their future is just a big mistake.

[Duffman100]

damn we should have kept that pick! Pelicans definitely shouldn't have traded it back to them lol

lmao we will never hear the end of it if BI doesn't work out here

That was already the case with the Ingram trade being an extremely risky move, the Indiana pick now looking like it will be decent just makes it worse. At least it was top 4 protected, so there was no chance of it being better than 5 and still a fairly low chance of it being top 10.

Not sure I'd say it was "Extremely risky" as it cost very little.

[YogurtProducer]

Siakam said last few years in Toronto were dark days for him, they are about to get dark in Indiana for a year at least.

I honestly somewhat expect him to be moved this offseason now.

He has no reason to be retained in IND. Why would they even want him there anymore/ Hali is probably 2 years away from being truly "back", and Siakam just will ruin the ping pong balls.

IND really should tear it down now, and try again in 2026/27.

[OakleyDokely]

Siakam said last few years in Toronto were dark days for him, they are about to get dark in Indiana for a year at least.

I honestly somewhat expect him to be moved this offseason now.

He has no reason to be retained in IND. Why would they even want him there anymore/ Hali is probably 2 years away from being truly "back", and Siakam just will ruin the ping pong balls.

IND really should tear it down now, and try again in 2026/27.

Pacers never really tank though.

I'm guessing they're a .500ish team this year and at least make the play-in. The east sucks and they have enough depth to hang in unless they gut their roster further.

[Yeezus_]

Idk Turner started playing pretty bad towards the end of their run. He was missing so many open 3s. He was somewhat frustrating to watch.

[YogurtProducer]

Siakam said last few years in Toronto were dark days for him, they are about to get dark in Indiana for a year at least.

I honestly somewhat expect him to be moved this offseason now.

He has no reason to be retained in IND. Why would they even want him there anymore/ Hali is probably 2 years away from being truly "back", and Siakam just will ruin the ping pong balls.

IND really should tear it down now, and try again in 2026/27.

Pacers never really tank though.

I'm guessing they're a .500ish team this year and at least make the play-in. The east sucks and they have enough depth to hang in unless they gut their roster further.

I could see them tanking in a year where its easily sold as "1-year, Hali comes back, and we run it back in 2026).

They could get a moderately solid haul for Siakam you would think. They could have jumped onto a Cam Johnson + 1st type deal that Denver did for MPJ.

[sidsid]

I think what's getting buried here is reporting is Pacers low balled myles Turner. Apparently their offer was no where close to bucks offer.

Another team talking about they'll go into tax to keep their core, who went to finals, but just lip service. If anything we should try to go after Pacers gm or president, as they'll be use to cheap owners like Rogers, who wants cost cutting.

Who is the next casualty of the Pacers cheapness? Mathurin?

What hasn't changed even with CBA cap inflation is that you can't be stuck paying role players the inflated contracts that leaves you stuck without flexibility (you are already seeing this here with RJ/IQ). Your quality role player, like Caruso, Dort or Jak here, should be making around the 20m or below number. IHart, Jak's clone, who was averaging about 20 minutes in the finals, is making 30mil in a cap maneuver, but they shouldn't be making more than the 20mil or so for their contribution. You trade them for value and groom replacements before it gets out of hand.

Mathurin will become another MPJ/RJ contract if you treat him any different. He's a slightly above MLE player. You saw how he didn't even have a regular role on a finals team.

[Clutch0z24]

damn we should have kept that pick! Pelicans definitely shouldn't have traded it back to them lol

Pels fans gotta be in shambles.

I think Raps and Pels fans will be in Shambles....Indy prolly get a top 8 pick in a stacked class which would of been ours....Ingram would have to be incredible for that trade to be even worth it from our point of view as well.

[ciueli]

lmao we will never hear the end of it if BI doesn't work out here

That was already the case with the Ingram trade being an extremely risky move, the Indiana pick now looking like it will be decent just makes it worse. At least it was top 4 protected, so there was no chance of it being better than 5 and still a fairly low chance of it being top 10.

Not sure I'd say it was "Extremely risky" as it cost very little.

It's extremely risky when you take on a player who is never healthy, is a 1x All-Star 5 years ago, not even necessarily a great fit with our team (defence is questionable when we can't afford more poor defenders) then give that player $40M/year with the intention of making him your top scorer. If Ingram plays 18 games again this season we might not even make the playoffs and be stuck with Ingram's unmovable contract the next two seasons, that's extremely risky.

[wegotthabeet]

Exactly, your two options are trade them and go into an absolute full rebuild, which neither team can since they have none of their picks, and MIL had that Lillard contract weighing them down by the throat, or lean into it and mortgage that future even more for a shot now.

The latter is what we did, you know, minus having a player or a team worth doing it for.

When have we ever mortgaged out future? Over the last decade, we've never traded a pick beyond the current year and outside Poeltl, we've never traded a prospect. Our future has never been mortgaged.

If you think about it, we've been a very responsible team in that sense. We contended for half a decade, won a championship, pushed for playoffs for a few years and through it all, we never sacrificed our future. Very rarely done in this league.

We haven’t once. Even when we grabbed Kawhi / Gasol / Ibaka we only gave up a total of 3 firsts (if I remember correctly).

The way these guys talk you’d think we gave up 4 firsts for Jakob and traded away firsts for bench help or something. (Aka - they think the Thad trade was a straight FRP deal lol).

It’s just not worth getting into it with guys like Scass. I get caught up in way more than I should, but his takes just aren’t based on reality for the most part.

The fact he’s defending the Bucks **** show and hating on ours just shows how it isn’t the moves he hates, it’s the Raptors he hates.

Two first round picks. They got Gasol without giving up a pick. The two picks were in the 20s too.

[TRik]

Pelican’s are rejoicing.