Semi-OT: Bucks waived Lillard to sign Turner

[m0ng0]

Or maybe Dame needed to adapt to Giannis? Your second fiddle here... maybe HE needed to adapt, just curious

[The Sebastian Express]

Or maybe Dame needed to adapt to Giannis? Your second fiddle here... maybe HE needed to adapt, just curious

I actually do think he adapted. But Dame is one of the best pick and roll players, possibly ever. Giannis really didn't help maximize that or his own potential as the roller in those scenarios. I think it's fair to call that a disappointment and something that hurt the team and its success potential (outside of injuries).

[mighty_duck]

Dame is the gift that keeps on giving. Aside from his memorable time here, he then helps us get 3 unprotected MIL picks. Now he helps us make sure those are super high picks with dead salary anchoring MIL until the picks are conveyed.
Thanks Dame!

[m0ng0]

Dame is the gift that keeps on giving. Aside from his memorable time here, he then helps us get 3 unprotected MIL picks. Now he helps us make sure those are super high picks with dead salary anchoring MIL until the picks are conveyed.
Thanks Dame!

GREAT POINT hahahaha

[DusterBuster]

Interesting note from Sam Amick...

"Even if Lillard hadn't been injured in the playoffs, he and the Bucks were going to discuss a potential exit this offseason. Lillard had some on-court fit issues and also struggled with being away from his children."

Not sure how accurate this is, but if true, this would lend that he or his team may really push to see if Portland would resign him this summer. If Portland has interest is another thing.

[DusterBuster]

I suspect Dame might just take next year off for rehab. He can be back with family for a year, reset, rehab and be back for next year and sign wherever he wants. I think any reunion with Portland is probably unlikely.

[Dame Lizard]

Milwaukee signing Myles Turner is a really bad outcome for Portland.

While it's years away and a lot can happen between now and then, all of a sudden those Milwaukee draft pick assets that we have look less attractive.

[tester551]

Milwaukee signing Myles Turner is a really bad outcome for Portland.

While it's years away and a lot can happen between now and then, all of a sudden those Milwaukee draft pick assets that we have look less attractive.

I disagree. Turner is a decent player, but that is an over-pay for his talent.

This is essentially a last-ditch effort for the Bucks. We want the Bucks to still 'go for it' during the next 2 years before they crash & burn...

[Dame Lizard]

Milwaukee signing Myles Turner is a really bad outcome for Portland.

While it's years away and a lot can happen between now and then, all of a sudden those Milwaukee draft pick assets that we have look less attractive.

I disagree. Turner is a decent player, but that is an over-pay for his talent.

This is essentially a last-ditch effort for the Bucks. We want the Bucks to still 'go for it' during the next 2 years before they crash & burn...

I disagree that it's an overpay. It's absolutely miles better (no pun intended) than JJJ's contract extension.

Ideally Giannis was traded away for young assets (Banchero etc) who either flopped or left Milwaukee before our Milwaukee draft assets came into play.

[BlazersBroncos]

Milwaukee signing Myles Turner is a really bad outcome for Portland.

While it's years away and a lot can happen between now and then, all of a sudden those Milwaukee draft pick assets that we have look less attractive.

I disagree. Turner is a decent player, but that is an over-pay for his talent.

This is essentially a last-ditch effort for the Bucks. We want the Bucks to still 'go for it' during the next 2 years before they crash & burn...

Ya. This is where I am at.

Moving on from Giannis this offseason, or even next offseason, is the least ideal scenario for Portland. They could be fully rebuilt by the time we have their picks. I think this type of last ditch move is exactly what we want - its desperate and only moves the needle a tiny bit if at all IMO.

I think Dame takes the year off to rehab. If we decide to flip Jrue for value after 25/26 and sign him - then go for it. But he shouldnt be in the plans right now. And there is a good chance Holiday is such a good fit he makes any delayed interest in Dame dissipate.

[The Sebastian Express]

Milwaukee signing Myles Turner is a really bad outcome for Portland.

While it's years away and a lot can happen between now and then, all of a sudden those Milwaukee draft pick assets that we have look less attractive.

I disagree. Turner is a decent player, but that is an over-pay for his talent.

This is essentially a last-ditch effort for the Bucks. We want the Bucks to still 'go for it' during the next 2 years before they crash & burn...

I disagree that it's an overpay. It's absolutely miles better (no pun intended) than JJJ's contract extension.

Ideally Giannis was traded away for young assets (Banchero etc) who either flopped or left Milwaukee before our Milwaukee draft assets came into play.

It's an overpay because they stretched Dame's contract to do it. They now have years of twenty-two million dead money on their cap. Right through the years we have the picks.

[BlazersBroncos]

I disagree. Turner is a decent player, but that is an over-pay for his talent.

This is essentially a last-ditch effort for the Bucks. We want the Bucks to still 'go for it' during the next 2 years before they crash & burn...

I disagree that it's an overpay. It's absolutely miles better (no pun intended) than JJJ's contract extension.

Ideally Giannis was traded away for young assets (Banchero etc) who either flopped or left Milwaukee before our Milwaukee draft assets came into play.

It's an overpay because they stretched Dame's contract to do it. They now have years of twenty-two million dead money on their cap. Right through the years we have the picks.

Yep. And they have traded or swapped all their picks until like 2031. We want the wheels to fall off summer 2027 ideally.

[Dame Lizard]

I disagree. Turner is a decent player, but that is an over-pay for his talent.

This is essentially a last-ditch effort for the Bucks. We want the Bucks to still 'go for it' during the next 2 years before they crash & burn...

I disagree that it's an overpay. It's absolutely miles better (no pun intended) than JJJ's contract extension.

Ideally Giannis was traded away for young assets (Banchero etc) who either flopped or left Milwaukee before our Milwaukee draft assets came into play.

It's an overpay because they stretched Dame's contract to do it. They now have years of twenty-two million dead money on their cap. Right through the years we have the picks.

That's a good point that the dead cap space significantly hampers them.

The Myles Turner signing significantly improves them in the short-term. Long-game I guess.

[Dame Lizard]

My theory of being disappointed was that given they don't own their own draft picks for years, any Giannis trade would result in them prioritising win-now pieces. And my thought process was that initially post-trade they would still be competitive, but a couple years after, following free agency departures etc, the wheels would fall off.

That's why I was hoping that they would blow it up this year. That dead cap space is an absolute burden for the next 5 years though.

[m0ng0]

My god they are playing Dame roughly 22 million a year for the next 5 years? Is that right?

[DusterBuster]

My god they are playing Dame roughly 22 million a year for the next 5 years? Is that right?

I'm not sure about "when" he gets that paid, but the 22mil cap hold will be on their books for the next 5 years.

Stretching players is a really punitive option that you should really only use in a "break glass in case of emergency" situation. They clearly felt that urgency with Giannis, but long term it's absolutely terrible for your books. That's almost 15% of their salary cap tied up in nothing for the next 5 years. 22mil is basically the going rate per year for a starting NBA player these days.

Blazers experienced this with Nicholson, stretched him in 2017, didn't finally fall off the books until 2024... thanks Neil... granted, that deal was pennies compared to what the Bucks just did.

I'll reserve judgement until the FA period is largely over, but I kinda think the Bucks are really **** up their summer. My thoughts of Dame aside, the "get" of them stealing Turner away from a conference rival is overlooking the fact that they've now screwed up their books for a long while, Turner is an upgrade but not massively so from Lopez (age big consideration even if talent is only just a mild improvement), but then their replacement for Dame so far is... Gary Harris. A g-leaguer would be a better fit there than Harris, he's been garbage for awhile now.

The moves are more "flashy" than substantive to keep the Bucks in contention or actually improve them. And they're spending a lot to do it.

[Dame Lizard]

My god they are playing Dame roughly 22 million a year for the next 5 years? Is that right?

I'm not sure about "when" he gets that paid, but the 22mil cap hold will be on their books for the next 5 years.

Stretching players is a really punitive option that you should really only use in a "break glass in case of emergency" situation. They clearly felt that urgency with Giannis, but long term it's absolutely terrible for your books. That's almost 15% of their salary cap tied up in nothing for the next 5 years. 22mil is basically the going rate per year for a starting NBA player these days.

Blazers experienced this with Nicholson, stretched him in 2017, didn't finally fall off the books until 2024... thanks Neil... granted, that deal was pennies compared to what the Bucks just did.

I'll reserve judgement until the FA period is largely over, but I kinda think the Bucks are really **** up their summer. My thoughts of Dame aside, the "get" of them stealing Turner away from a conference rival is overlooking the fact that they've now screwed up their books for a long while, Turner is an upgrade but not massively so from Lopez (age big consideration even if talent is only just a mild improvement), but then their replacement for Dame so far is... Gary Harris. A g-leaguer would be a better fit there than Harris, he's been garbage for awhile now.

The moves are more "flashy" than substantive to keep the Bucks in contention or actually improve them. And they're spending a lot to do it.

Honestly waiving Nicholson was the most unnecessary move I've seem a GM make.

As you said, it was relatively loose change, but instead of eating his salary in a year we were not realistically competing, he waived it such that it would impact us in years we were targeting to be competing.

Olshey was truly a horrible GM.

[m0ng0]

My god they are playing Dame roughly 22 million a year for the next 5 years? Is that right?

I'm not sure about "when" he gets that paid, but the 22mil cap hold will be on their books for the next 5 years.

Stretching players is a really punitive option that you should really only use in a "break glass in case of emergency" situation. They clearly felt that urgency with Giannis, but long term it's absolutely terrible for your books. That's almost 15% of their salary cap tied up in nothing for the next 5 years. 22mil is basically the going rate per year for a starting NBA player these days.

Blazers experienced this with Nicholson, stretched him in 2017, didn't finally fall off the books until 2024... thanks Neil... granted, that deal was pennies compared to what the Bucks just did.

I'll reserve judgement until the FA period is largely over, but I kinda think the Bucks are really **** up their summer. My thoughts of Dame aside, the "get" of them stealing Turner away from a conference rival is overlooking the fact that they've now screwed up their books for a long while, Turner is an upgrade but not massively so from Lopez (age big consideration even if talent is only just a mild improvement), but then their replacement for Dame so far is... Gary Harris. A g-leaguer would be a better fit there than Harris, he's been garbage for awhile now.

The moves are more "flashy" than substantive to keep the Bucks in contention or actually improve them. And they're spending a lot to do it.

Pardon my ignorance but if another team picks him up are THEY now on the hook for the salary owed or is that still on Milwaukee? So in essence we could pay him vet min and Milwaukee is still paying the 22mil? My god that's not a bad gig at all lol

[DusterBuster]

My god they are playing Dame roughly 22 million a year for the next 5 years? Is that right?

I'm not sure about "when" he gets that paid, but the 22mil cap hold will be on their books for the next 5 years.

Stretching players is a really punitive option that you should really only use in a "break glass in case of emergency" situation. They clearly felt that urgency with Giannis, but long term it's absolutely terrible for your books. That's almost 15% of their salary cap tied up in nothing for the next 5 years. 22mil is basically the going rate per year for a starting NBA player these days.

Blazers experienced this with Nicholson, stretched him in 2017, didn't finally fall off the books until 2024... thanks Neil... granted, that deal was pennies compared to what the Bucks just did.

I'll reserve judgement until the FA period is largely over, but I kinda think the Bucks are really **** up their summer. My thoughts of Dame aside, the "get" of them stealing Turner away from a conference rival is overlooking the fact that they've now screwed up their books for a long while, Turner is an upgrade but not massively so from Lopez (age big consideration even if talent is only just a mild improvement), but then their replacement for Dame so far is... Gary Harris. A g-leaguer would be a better fit there than Harris, he's been garbage for awhile now.

The moves are more "flashy" than substantive to keep the Bucks in contention or actually improve them. And they're spending a lot to do it.

Honestly waiving Nicholson was the most unnecessary move I've seem a GM make.

As you said, it was relatively loose change, but instead of eating his salary in a year we were not realistically competing, he waived it such that it would impact us in years we were targeting to be competing.

Olshey was truly a horrible GM.

I’m trying to recall if there was a specific reason he did this for extra cap space? I feel like there was, but I can’t recall now…

[m0ng0]

Something pretty bad must have happened for Milwaukee to just eat 112 million unless my math is wrong, besides a potentially catastrophic injury