The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

[Bogyo]

I can feel someone would be unhappy with the minutes on the floor.

Indeed, Rockets are highly overrated. People don't realize this kind of roster construction never works. Jabari Smith minutes will be capped due to KD, Sengun, Steven Adams, Capela, and Thompson.

Eason? He's barely gonna get more than 15 minutes and he's a legit starter on most teams.

It's gonna be an unhappy bunch alongside a nonchalant don't care mentality KD. This team will crash and burn.

"Bogyo" already expressed much of my disagreement. I'll just say I think Udoka and Stone have done a great job thus far, and I do not see team talent as a problem they cannot resolve. Keep in mind that they lost two starters in the trade and most of the world knows that KD is an infinite improvement replacing one of them. The only position they have too much great depth in is center IMO. But I doubt either Adams or Capela will be unhappy. With the league need, Landale will probably be gone. Maybe they foresee a no layup policy.

My starters would be: Sengun at center, Smith at PF, KD at the three, Thompson at the two, and VanVleet at point. Eason started last year, but I see him as a super sub for KD and Smith, who will get big minutes. Ime might again start him instead of Jabari, but I like the biggest at the four. They both had nearly the same points and boards last year. And adding a great defender who can shoot like DFS gives them great forward depth. I will really enjoy watching that team next year.

It's been touched on already, but I think they could use more in the back court, at least another exceptional shooter and another point. It has not been necessary for OKC, but SGA has been unworldly.

You know the funny thing is that the Rockets might be better off (ie: a bit more balanced, less logjam-y at 3/4) if they havent r*ped us this bad on the KD trade, and gave us Jabari instead of Brooks. Brooks could have played even as a starting SG for this team, with good peremiter defense which they badly need, as FVV is trash, and KD as a 3 is too old to chase dudes. FVV/Brooks/KD/Eason/Sengun - Sheppard/Whitmore/Amen/DFS/Capella - Holiday/Tate/?/Green/Adams is better balanced than what they have now. Amen shot 27% last year from 3, so that's not gonna fly.

[KLEON]

LMAO what are the horrible secrets that Jakob Poeltl is holding over the heads of the Raptors??

I've been wondering too

[matt131]

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Nuggets took OKC to 7 with zero bench and now have Valencuinas, Cam, THJ, and Bruce Brown.

Their new management is doing a good job for sure

[bwgood77]

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MPJ GONE

Had to give up an unprotected 1st to move him!! And yall think we can trade Beal!?!?

Well Denver did get the better player too. They are a bit similar on offense, but Cam is a little better at everything outside of rebounding and quite a bit better defender.

[bwgood77]

Damn Cam is gonna kill it on Denver wow

MPJ is a better shooter, but Cam has way way higher BBIQ that Jokic and Murray would love to play alongside with.

And they got Bruce Brown back

Wow

Cam had a 63.2% TS% on a bad team and MPJ has a 61.7% TS% on a great team. They both shot 39% from 3. For their career from 3, MPJr is slightly better from 3 (40.6% vs 39.6%). Cam stays way healthier too which is obviously important.

[Sunsdeuce]

Damn Cam is gonna kill it on Denver wow

MPJ is a better shooter, but Cam has way way higher BBIQ that Jokic and Murray would love to play alongside with.

And they got Bruce Brown back

Wow

Cam had a 63.2% TS% on a bad team and MPJ has a 61.7% TS% on a great team. They both shot 39% from 3. For their career from 3, MPJr is slightly better from 3 (40.6% vs 39.6%). Cam stays way healthier too which is obviously important.

Actually to the contrary on the health thing. Cam stays way less healthier. Cam was always hurt when he was in Phx. And Cam has never played more than 66 games in a season in his entire career.

Cam games played;
2023-2024: 57
2022-2023: 58
2021-2022: 42

MPj games played;
2023-2024:77
2022-2023: 81
2021-2022: 62

[Synyster9]

Overall, I like the moves the Suns have made so far. They definitely seem to have a mindset/vision in mind for what they want their team to look like and play like. They got much bigger and more athletic which will allow them to play a more balanced style as opposed to 1/2 court constantly. They've added some shooters in the guy from the Euro league and Koby. I wish they would've gotten more for KD, but it wasn't a bad return. We got 2 solid players and 3 rookies (ultimately) that have promise and can be the core of our team in a few years.

I don't get a chance to watch too many games any more and I don't "know ball" like some of you do, but from what I saw last year, it seems like Royce O'Neale is the type of player that they're trying to build around with the hustle and the team oriented aspect to his game. I feel like he would be a keep for this FO if his contract wasn't what it is.

We just need to figure out the 1 and what that position is going to look like. Even if that is trying to find a way to get a Cole Anthony type that can take some pressure off of Booker. Booker will be the guy with the ball in his hands late and will be the focal point of the offense from here on out. From a betting perspective, I feel like he's going to be a lock to have more assists than he did last year with the quality of bigs we have now in Williams and the rookies. Also with the 100 times per game that Durant isn't going to be isolating this coming season. Some people will question Bookers ability, but it wouldn't surprise me too much for him to average 25+ and 9+ assists this coming season. They're probably going to double him quite a bit which is where we'll need the shooters to knock down the open shots (which would be where holding on to Allen could potentially be a benefit).

I definitely don't think it's possible that the current roster is going to be the same as the beginning of the season, there are still multiple moves that will be made. Move on from Richards and Allen, get in another 1 to allow Booker to play off-ball some would be beneficial.

Side Note: I really like Booker, always have (not saying he is a franchise player anymore and can carry a team like I used to think). I think he got tainted by KD a bit over the last couple years but I think he could thrive with this being his team again. I kind of see trading him as the same situation as the Dbacks were with Paul Goldschmidt a few years ago where they could trade him while he could still provide a haul and could potentially be the best thing for him as a player. I would hate to see him go personally as I want to see him finish his career here, but I wouldn't hate the fact that we'd be selling high (potentially) and he can get to a better situation as he's been much more patient than I probably would've been through what he's been through as a member of the Suns.

[PhxLax]

Beal gonna stick around. There's a logjam at SG and I just can't see them successfully unloading Allen, Beal, and/or Royce.

I think you unload Richards for 2 second round picks. Think that's easily doable. That'll open up a roster spot for a decent bench POWER FORWARD like Chris Boucher. I think you make Koby Brea start off on 2-way contract in order to have room for a veteran minimum PG such as Chris Paul. Roster depth chart would then be:

G: Green, CP3, Gillespie
G: Book, Allen, Beal
F: Brooks, Dunn, Hayes
F: Royce, Fleming, Boucher
C: Mark, Maluach, Ighodaro

[BobbieL]

Beal gonna stick around. There's a logjam at SG and I just can't see them successfully unloading Allen, Beal, and/or Royce.

I think you unload Richards for 2 second round picks. Think that's easily doable. That'll open up a roster spot for a decent bench POWER FORWARD like Chris Boucher. I think you make Koby Brea start off on 2-way contract in order to have room for a veteran minimum PG such as Chris Paul. Roster depth chart would then be:

G: Green, CP3, Gillespie
G: Book, Allen, Beal
F: Brooks, Dunn, Hayes
F: Royce, Fleming, Boucher
C: Mark, Maluach, Ighodaro

I thought Allen had a chance to go to Detroit but it looks like Duncan Robinson will be the target for the Pistons

[Dr Manute]

Beal gonna stick around. There's a logjam at SG and I just can't see them successfully unloading Allen, Beal, and/or Royce.

I think you unload Richards for 2 second round picks. Think that's easily doable. That'll open up a roster spot for a decent bench POWER FORWARD like Chris Boucher. I think you make Koby Brea start off on 2-way contract in order to have room for a veteran minimum PG such as Chris Paul. Roster depth chart would then be:

G: Green, CP3, Gillespie
G: Book, Allen, Beal
F: Brooks, Dunn, Hayes
F: Royce, Fleming, Boucher
C: Mark, Maluach, Ighodaro

CP(not3), Beal wears #3

[Djedefre]

Poorly constructed roster yet again. We are going to be a horror to watch under this Ott fraud. But at least now we have a few youngsters to be excited about and root for to turn into great players, so maybe in a few years, with a real GM and a real coach they could achieve big things.

[Slim Charless]

Indeed, Rockets are highly overrated. People don't realize this kind of roster construction never works. Jabari Smith minutes will be capped due to KD, Sengun, Steven Adams, Capela, and Thompson.

Eason? He's barely gonna get more than 15 minutes and he's a legit starter on most teams.

It's gonna be an unhappy bunch alongside a nonchalant don't care mentality KD. This team will crash and burn.

"Bogyo" already expressed much of my disagreement. I'll just say I think Udoka and Stone have done a great job thus far, and I do not see team talent as a problem they cannot resolve. Keep in mind that they lost two starters in the trade and most of the world knows that KD is an infinite improvement replacing one of them. The only position they have too much great depth in is center IMO. But I doubt either Adams or Capela will be unhappy. With the league need, Landale will probably be gone. Maybe they foresee a no layup policy.

My starters would be: Sengun at center, Smith at PF, KD at the three, Thompson at the two, and VanVleet at point. Eason started last year, but I see him as a super sub for KD and Smith, who will get big minutes. Ime might again start him instead of Jabari, but I like the biggest at the four. They both had nearly the same points and boards last year. And adding a great defender who can shoot like DFS gives them great forward depth. I will really enjoy watching that team next year.

It's been touched on already, but I think they could use more in the back court, at least another exceptional shooter and another point. It has not been necessary for OKC, but SGA has been unworldly.

You know the funny thing is that the Rockets might be better off (ie: a bit more balanced, less logjam-y at 3/4) if they havent r*ped us this bad on the KD trade, and gave us Jabari instead of Brooks. Brooks could have played even as a starting SG for this team, with good peremiter defense which they badly need, as FVV is trash, and KD as a 3 is too old to chase dudes. FVV/Brooks/KD/Eason/Sengun - Sheppard/Whitmore/Amen/DFS/Capella - Holiday/Tate/?/Green/Adams is better balanced than what they have now. Amen shot 27% last year from 3, so that's not gonna fly.

Amen is gonna be fine as SG.

FVV/Amen/KD/Jabari/Sengun is a great starting five they also have Eason for the KD injures that will happen.

[BobbieL]

Poorly constructed roster yet again. We are going to be a horror to watch under this Ott fraud. But at least now we have a few youngsters to be excited about and root for to turn into great players, so maybe in a few years, with a real GM and a real coach they could achieve big things.

It was going to be hard to turn this roster around in one off-season. I am still leery of the order they did things - like I would have tried to move off of players before taking on Williams. But Richards will probably be traded and who knows with Royce and Allen. And at that point can bring in players that might fit better longer term.

[dremill24]

Maybe John Collins is bought out and he'll take the minimum for a starting spot?

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[BobbieL]

This was my trade for Grayson Allen. Alas, Duncan Robinson goes to the Pistons

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[BobbieL]

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Damn - I thought Allen to Detroit was perfect for that player. Would have saved the Suns 6-7m and an expiring contract

[dremill24]

Beal gonna stick around. There's a logjam at SG and I just can't see them successfully unloading Allen, Beal, and/or Royce.

I think you unload Richards for 2 second round picks. Think that's easily doable. That'll open up a roster spot for a decent bench POWER FORWARD like Chris Boucher. I think you make Koby Brea start off on 2-way contract in order to have room for a veteran minimum PG such as Chris Paul. Roster depth chart would then be:

G: Green, CP3, Gillespie
G: Book, Allen, Beal
F: Brooks, Dunn, Hayes
F: Royce, Fleming, Boucher
C: Mark, Maluach, Ighodaro

I thought Allen had a chance to go to Detroit but it looks like Duncan Robinson will be the target for the Pistons

I'm running out of Allen teams that make sense without jumping through some weird logical hoops.

[Dr Manute]

I hope the Lakers sign Ayton. They already have so many players I can't stand the most in the whole NBA on their team.

So easy to root against a Lakers team rolling with:

PG: Luka
SG: Reaves
SF: Knecht
PF: LeBron
C: Ayton

I would love to see Ayton do a 2 foot fade-away only to get blocked by Maluach so hard that the ball hits Lebron in his face causing him to stumble into Reaves who exaggerates contact and steps on Luka's ankle causing him to be out for the rest of the season.

Now that would be Showtime in LA.

[BobbieL]

Beal gonna stick around. There's a logjam at SG and I just can't see them successfully unloading Allen, Beal, and/or Royce.

I think you unload Richards for 2 second round picks. Think that's easily doable. That'll open up a roster spot for a decent bench POWER FORWARD like Chris Boucher. I think you make Koby Brea start off on 2-way contract in order to have room for a veteran minimum PG such as Chris Paul. Roster depth chart would then be:

G: Green, CP3, Gillespie
G: Book, Allen, Beal
F: Brooks, Dunn, Hayes
F: Royce, Fleming, Boucher
C: Mark, Maluach, Ighodaro

I thought Allen had a chance to go to Detroit but it looks like Duncan Robinson will be the target for the Pistons

I'm running out of Allen teams that make sense without jumping through some weird logical hoops.

Hornets for Grant Williams - granted its barely any salary cap savings