Discussing Other Teams' Moves - Part 8

[closg00]

Jonás on the move again.

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[gambitx777]

This reminds me of a story o read a couple months back about Costco and door dash doing eat not pay later options basically loans with "0%" that I can only imagine isn't really 0 if you read the terms of service.

Like most common sense people will go this is the stupid thing I've ever seen. While someone in the corner is being quiet in the corner with a stupid amount of hot dog debt.

That's the bucks. They now have hot dog debt.
That kuzma trade was the stupidest thing I've ever seen and now just just do this thing with dame? Jesus I thought the suns were headed for a generational crash. But this is going to be a legendary burn out when it finally catches fire.

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What is happening in Milwaukee. Stretch Dame so they're paying him 20 mil a year for 5 years. Then sign Miles Turner. They could use Smart or McCollum but I'm not sure what they'd send back.

[nate33]

Jonás on the move again.

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That's a GREAT move for Denver.

Denver already has the ecosystem in place to compensate for a drop coverage center. So JV should fit in defensively far easier there than on many teams who are more inclined to switch and trap.

If only Denver can now land a good wing with their MLE, they may be back in business for title contention.

[Northwest Roddy]

Maybe Houston signed Capela for the sole purpose of having center depth versus the Joker in case they have to get through Denver in the playoffs.

[closg00]

You’re first point has already been disproven, he is in the NBA now because he was effective playing against the NBA’s best players at the Olympics.

Re: Whether it was one of the best off-season moves, I wrote that it “may” be, not that it is was, and I was conservative. A survey of NBA GM’s ranked Philly’s off season a close 2nd best to OKC’s
1. OKC 37%
2. Philly 33%
3. NYK 20%
https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nba/philadelphia-76ers/news/nba-gm-survey-76ers-best-offseason-title-top-championship-contender-okc-thunder-2024/5b6627aa0afda3c7ab9b4cb1

He averaged 17 mpg over 3 games in the Olympics with international rules averaging as many fouls as rebounds and as many turnovers as assists. I'm not sure how you can argue that proves anything.

As doe Philly having the 2nd best offseason, sure. But Yabusele is a drop in the bucket there. Their offseason included re-signing Maxey, Lowry and Oubre, signing George, Gordon, Martin, Drummond and Jackson, and having Jared McCain fall into their laps in the draft. NBA GMs liking their offseason has a lot more to do with that stuff than signing Yabusele for the minimum. You can tell NBA GMs liked the other stuff more because lots of them would have paid more than the minimum for most of those other guys but none of them were willing to pay more than the minimum for Yabusele. Yabusele wasn't even a tip 3 Sixers offseason move let alone one of the best offseason moves in the league.

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[nate33]

But I think Denver still has enough from their MPJ TPE that they could package that with Zeke Nnaji to us in exchange for Marcus Smart. It's mechanically possible, but I don't know if Denver has any pick capital left to make the deal worthwhile for us. But certainly Smart would be a good fit in Denver.

[Rafael122]

But I think Denver still has enough from their MPJ TPE that they could package that with Zeke Nnaji to us in exchange for Marcus Smart. It's mechanically possible, but I don't know if Denver has any pick capital left to make the deal worthwhile for us. But certainly Smart would be a good fit in Denver.

The only pick they have to trade is the '26 first round pick, and I think it's tradeable since it doesn't fall under the Stepien rule correct?

[nate33]

But I think Denver still has enough from their MPJ TPE that they could package that with Zeke Nnaji to us in exchange for Marcus Smart. It's mechanically possible, but I don't know if Denver has any pick capital left to make the deal worthwhile for us. But certainly Smart would be a good fit in Denver.

The only pick they have to trade is the '26 first round pick, and I think it's tradeable since it doesn't fall under the Stepien rule correct?

True. They do have swaps they could make in 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2031, but how much is a swap with Denver worth?

One idea I saw and mentioned on another thread is that we might see some value in their 2026 swap if we swapped it with our 2026 OKC pick. If OKC picks 30th and Denver picks, say, 25th, that's 5 spots in the draft. That's not a lot, but it's not nothing.

[doclinkin]

True. They do have swaps they could make in 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2031, but how much is a swap with Denver worth?

I think a late year swap with Denver could be worth a good deal. Once Jokic is out the door they could fall into a chasm and have a serious rebuild to deal with. Jokic often sounds fatigued with his job of playing basketball, and even if he doesn't quit their owner is already market testing the idea in press conferences of shipping him out while whining about the 2nd apron. Implication is he's not going to want to overpay to keep a contending team together.

To me future picks and swaps with any single superstar team is generally a good idea. Often proves to have far higher value than their front office respects.

[nate33]

True. They do have swaps they could make in 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2031, but how much is a swap with Denver worth?

I think a late year swap with Denver could be worth a good deal. Once Jokic is out the door they could fall into a chasm and have a serious rebuild to deal with. Jokic often sounds fatigued with his job of playing basketball, and even if he doesn't quit their owner is already market testing the idea in press conferences of shipping him out while whining about the 2nd apron. Implication is he's not going to want to overpay to keep a contending team together.

To me future picks and swaps with any single superstar team is generally a good idea. Often proves to have far higher value than their front office respects.

It would have to be pretty far out. Jokic is only 30. A 2031 swap would be the draft after the season where Jokic turns 35.

[doclinkin]

True. They do have swaps they could make in 2026, 2028, 2030 and 2031, but how much is a swap with Denver worth?

I think a late year swap with Denver could be worth a good deal. Once Jokic is out the door they could fall into a chasm and have a serious rebuild to deal with. Jokic often sounds fatigued with his job of playing basketball, and even if he doesn't quit their owner is already market testing the idea in press conferences of shipping him out while whining about the 2nd apron. Implication is he's not going to want to overpay to keep a contending team together.

To me future picks and swaps with any single superstar team is generally a good idea. Often proves to have far higher value than their front office respects.

It would have to be pretty far out. Jokic is only 30. A 2031 swap would be the draft after the season where Jokic turns 35.

I'd bet dollars to donuts Jokic isn't there in 3 years. For one reason or another. Cap being chief among them. And history the other. What other superstar stays with their team 13-15 years? Things fall apart, the center cannot hold.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Orlando made a great trade for Desmond Bane and added Jase Richardson and Noah Penda in the draft. That front office is top shelf.

Let's wait and see how those draft picks turn out in the long run. I am not convinced.

The picks were solid. I had Penda and Jase both top 20 - so, that was terrific value. And Jase could be a nice spark plug behind Bane and Suggs. Penda gets a chance to develop (and he definitely needs time) behind Wagner.

Either way, they are in a pretty good place to compete if the injury bug doesn't bite them again. I still think they are missing a rim protector to take them to the next level. And I don't buy their cap management thus far.

Was looking at EPM today. Franz Wagner is 10th in the NBA, above Curry, Wemby AD, Anthony Edwards.

One of the most underrated players in the league. I think they can compete for a championship next year.

I do as well.

Desmond Bane and Jase Richardson were more than enough additions to propel the Magic to the top in the East.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Listening to a yahoo podcast. Apparently there are several Duke alums among the Hornets owners/FO which explains the Kon love.

I can Google, but I was unaware that MJ is out in Charlotte.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Listening to a yahoo podcast. Apparently there are several Duke alums among the Hornets owners/FO which explains the Kon love.

I suppose there is also some marketing synergy going on there. It's like the Wizards drafting Juan Dixon and Steve Blake.

Solid moves by Wizard standards.

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I wouldn't mind signing Ayton if we could to trade later. But he almost has laker written all over him.

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I wouldn't mind signing Ayton if we could to trade later. But he almost has laker written all over him.

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Ayton is a loser and want no part of him around our young core. We value hustle, physicality, and BBIQ... Ayton is the antithesis of all of those

Were McGee, Portis, or Gafford considered winners early on.

Did any them derail win teams?

What's Ayton worth considering what Portis and Gafford recently signed for?

What are the Lakers going to give him?

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

I wouldn't mind signing Ayton if we could to trade later. But he almost has laker written all over him.

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Ayton is a loser and want no part of him around our young core. We value hustle, physicality, and BBIQ... Ayton is the antithesis of all of those

Exactly.

We want guys like Olynyk, who know how to play but are not too old and too slow to actually be effective defensively. Those guys can still effectively teach technique, but they won't accidentally win us too many games.I agree that Olynyk is a much better player for this Wizards roster.

This didn't age well.

To quote Conor McGregor, "Who the fook is that guy?"

[Chocolate City Jordanaire]

Jonas Valanciunas looks like a great pickup for Denver.

[DukeLecker]

Listening to a yahoo podcast. Apparently there are several Duke alums among the Hornets owners/FO which explains the Kon love.

I suppose there is also some marketing synergy going on there. It's like the Wizards drafting Juan Dixon and Steve Blake.

Solid moves by Wizard standards.

Imagine if the wiz had Steve Blake as the back up during the John wall era? Things may have ended a lot different. His backups were always trash making him play 40 mpg. Eric maynor, earl boykins, aj price, shelvin Mack. I’m sorry.

[gambitx777]

The bucks implosion needs to be studied. . . . .
It really started with the same trade. . . Then the moves after. kuzma . By god what a disaster and now they are dead cap that's the size of the gdp of some mid west counties.

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