Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[PG Graveyard]

I can't really knock the media for ripping the Bucks. We have (and will have for a while) a very bare cupboard in terms of assets and our roster still has significant holes. I appreciate that we're trying to make this work for Giannis but when you're trading 2nd round picks 6 and 7 years from now just to get off a bad contract so that you can sign someone who's gettable only because you agreed to eat 23 million of dead money for 5 years...it's an absolute indictment of our front office that we are in this situation.

Things go different if Dame doesn’t blow his Achilles obviously. You can’t predict that

[soxperry]

I can't really knock the media for ripping the Bucks. We have (and will have for a while) a very bare cupboard in terms of assets and our roster still has significant holes. I appreciate that we're trying to make this work for Giannis but when you're trading 2nd round picks 6 and 7 years from now just to get off a bad contract so that you can sign someone who's gettable only because you agreed to eat 23 million of dead money for 5 years...it's an absolute indictment of our front office that we are in this situation.

Lol


Or, its something we had to do because our 35 year old pg who makes 112M over the next two seasons tore his achilles.

[jimmybones]

I can't really knock the media for ripping the Bucks. We have (and will have for a while) a very bare cupboard in terms of assets and our roster still has significant holes. I appreciate that we're trying to make this work for Giannis but when you're trading 2nd round picks 6 and 7 years from now just to get off a bad contract so that you can sign someone who's gettable only because you agreed to eat 23 million of dead money for 5 years...it's an absolute indictment of our front office that we are in this situation.

Khris and Dame missing back to back to back playoffs and eventually needing to be held together by duct tape are not an indictment of anyone.

It’s unfortunate, it sucks, but to withstand **** happening and continue to compete with our once in a lifetime superstar, future draft assets are the cost of doing business.

[yb90]

For those who know the Bucks finances:

How much room could the Bucks created waiving Kuzma instead of Dame? Could the Bucks have waived Kuzma and remained over the 1st Apron and use their exceptions to pay the FAs they got?

Is Kuzma valued or is his salary easier to trade?

[Ruben Quevedo]

I can't really knock the media for ripping the Bucks. We have (and will have for a while) a very bare cupboard in terms of assets and our roster still has significant holes. I appreciate that we're trying to make this work for Giannis but when you're trading 2nd round picks 6 and 7 years from now just to get off a bad contract so that you can sign someone who's gettable only because you agreed to eat 23 million of dead money for 5 years...it's an absolute indictment of our front office that we are in this situation.

Things go different if Dame doesn’t blow his Achilles obviously. You can’t predict that

Obviously the Dame injury was terrible luck. But we left ourselves so little margin for error. That's a result of multiple years worth of questionable decisions.

[engelmartin]

I just checked. No NBA team with two players named Gary on the roster has ever won a title.

St Louis Hawks.

Underrated post

[skbucks1985]

I think it'll be tough to get Wiggins for just Kuzma and Micic and I don't think a pick swap for next season will do the trick either. The rationales for why I think the Heat could do it are if everything they're saying about Ware is largely a smokescreen and they plan on Bam at the 5 being their primary lineup then Kuzma has more value to them than I think he does now. The other is that Kuzma is signed through 2 more seasons while Wiggins has a player option next summer which I would guess he opts out of because even though I doubt he gets 30 per year, which is what he'd be scheduled to make in the last year of his contract, he can probably still get a substantial multi-year contract which may not be the case in 27. I don't know if that's an advantage or disadvantage for the Heat.

My guess is Kuzma is on the team to start next season and the Bucks move him at the deadline to a team that is falling short of expectations and ends up being sellers at the trade deadline.

You don’t have to pair another player with Kuz to trade him for Wiggins. You can save Miami $5M+ in salary this season and send them $7M+ in cash. Their owner is cheap. They might do Kuz/Cash/26swap for Wiggins

I will readily acknowledge that I am the furthest thing from a cap expert so I'm very open to you being right and me being wrong. But based on everything I've read about how, generally, restrictive this system is it seems like the Bucks being able to take back 130% in salary by just cutting a check would not be allowed.

[soxperry]

Just occurred to me that if San Antonio trades us Fox for some combo of Kuzma and our 31 and 32, they then have something of particular interest to us if they later want to try and trade for Giannis. At least, i could see them thinking that.

[fansinceforever]

KPJ
Trent Jr.
Kuzma (yuck)
Giannis
Turner

Is that what people expect the starting 5 to look like as of how the roster currently stands?

I kind of expect the unit that showed in the playoffs and for the Bucks to emulate what the Pacers did.

KPJ
Green
Trent Jr.
Giannis
Turner

I'd bet that unit is actually pretty damn good defensively too.

Can Trent guard 3s? Can Green? I think we need a 6'7", 6'8" 3 and D guy for that spot.

Yeah, agreed but this whole off season is about making the best of a bad situation and the reality is we're not getting a good wing for kuzma. That's probably our best lineup as of now.

I also don't want to trade the '31 first or '32 swap unless this theoretical guy is a legit starter/difference maker.

[AussieBuck]

Well that was a wild ride. Seems we're left with a roster ripe for Doc to ruin with stupid big lineups.

[bucksfansince88]

I can't really knock the media for ripping the Bucks. We have (and will have for a while) a very bare cupboard in terms of assets and our roster still has significant holes. I appreciate that we're trying to make this work for Giannis but when you're trading 2nd round picks 6 and 7 years from now just to get off a bad contract so that you can sign someone who's gettable only because you agreed to eat 23 million of dead money for 5 years...it's an absolute indictment of our front office that we are in this situation.

you're right, but we had to do something to position ourselves better towards contention. this all started from not having a real vision or continuity since the championship. we shouldve built around Giannis and got more shooters and athletecism around him on the wings and in the paint. it appears that the last 10 game stretch of the season and elimination game unit is the identity that they want to now focus on building around.

[stillgotgame]

So when does Horst address the real problem, Doc?

[Matches Malone]

So when does Horst address the real problem, Doc?

Feels like even if Horst wanted to make a move there, Haslam won't let him.

[Wonka]

If Doc is still here and THIS is our roster, we are going to be 10 games worse next year. This jumbo basketball bull from Doc’s decrepit brain needs to end.

[soxperry]

Lol you guys


Never change

[GoldenAntlers]

That Pina piece is so, so bad.

The best part of the entire thing is Turner's on/off 3 point shooting splits with Haliburton. It's a real shame the Bucks don't have anybody that can get open looks for his teammates as well.

KPJ can.

ETA: Didn't realize this was a Giannis joke and thought we were talking anybody other than Giannis.

[buckboy]

If Doc is still here and THIS is our roster, we are going to be 10 games worse next year. This jumbo basketball bull from Doc’s decrepit brain needs to end.

I highly doubt the 10 games worse bit, but yeah, Doc is a dope.

[Neuromancer56]

Giannis rightfully hates CP3, no chance.

Bucks clearly needed to release Rollins cap hold to sign Turner into cap space. They also pivoted from using the BAE on KPJ to using the Room Exception. So they have the rest of the room exception left if they want to keep Rollins around, or he can sign a 1+1 for the min and then opt out next offseason when they have his bird rights again. I’d probably just lock him up longer with the room though.

Also, can they decline AJG’s option then use lock him up long term or simply extend him?

Dame hated Pat Bev. But he's not Giannis.

[Prez]

I've posted the numbers before but if you're looking for reasons for optimism it would primarily be the GTJ/Green/Giannis trio, and also KPJ's upside and quick chemistry with Giannis. GTJ/Green/Giannis without Dame had a +24.9 net rating in 253 minutes without Dame, it's the 4th best 3-man lineup out of 755 total lineups in the league with 300+ minutes played. You add KPJ in the mix it's +43.9 net rating (lol) in 111 minutes. You swap in a better two-way C in Turner for Bobby and it could get pretty sick. Any good coach is starting and leaning into that lineup.

But yeah, the reason for all of that optimism to quickly evaporate is that Doc is still our coach and is a full fledged **** moron who will almost certainly delude himself into thinking a training camp was all he needed to make the Prince/Kuzma lineups work.

[GoldenAntlers]

I swear to God if Prince & Kuzma are both starters...