Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[themoneyteam2]

Duncan Robinson just got $16M/yr, for all these clowns wanting to get rid of Hauser who makes only $10M and is a far superior player (and just about to hit his prime). He’s a piece you want to keep when JT gets back from injury

[phincsfan]

Right now they're $331,539 above the 2nd apron and $20,260,539 above the tax. That's with 15 players signed. They only need 14.

They might not duck the tax this year but they should give themselves options to. Therefore, I expect Hauser to be moved next. It's just too risky to keep him on a 4 year deal. I hate to speak of bad things, but imagine a world where he pops his knee in November. That becomes an albatross 4 year term to move at the deadline if he's hurt like that. Too, too risky.

If they dump Hauser they're back down to the required 14 players and $10,215,896 above the luxury tax. At that point, if they do want to duck the tax midyear, it's as "simple" as dumping Niang and 2 minimum/rookie contract players and then replacing those 3 guys with pro rated minimum salaries for whoever the 2-way guys are (presumably the 2 rookies and Peterson). I hesitate to call dumping 3 players "simple" but Niang on an $8.2M deal is usually fine to move at the deadline and then the rookie/minimum deals are usually easy enough too.

I think it's important to give themselves an avenue to duck the tax without NEEDING to touch the Simons deal. That's a big number to move in this league where everyone ends up hard capped at some threshold. Hauser would have to go if they keep Simons and duck the tax, and on a 4 year deal too much risk to carry into the year.

I gave this an And 1 not so much for the deep substance, but for the fact that you put Drew on the roster.

[hugepatsfan]

If you exclude losing Tatum to Achilles probably Al Kornet Jrue and KP it's been a solid offseason.

Wyc told us long before Tatum went down that they were gonna hack the payroll this summer.

Yeah, my guess is that if Tatum were healthy they'd be using future draft capital to turn the $35M expiring salary of Niang/Simons into playable front court player(s). It would take future picks and staying in the tax (not not 2nd apron) and that's what you do if Tatum is playing.

Now that Tatum is out though, it's just not worth pouring picks into this team. I'm sure they would if a really good viable long term starting front court players was there for them, but giving up pieces to move around ancillary parts in a year Tatum is out is just poor resource allocation. Pocket that draft capital for when Tatum is back.

[jfs1000d]

This reminds me of the Celtics offseasons from 1994-2006 when they were consistently in the lottery.

Just saying…

How often we had a title team in the sidelines. This is like 2006 when pierce got hurt.


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[jfs1000d]

Bobby Manning‬

#Celtics:

-Traded Porzingis for cap/tax relief, offsetting a return from ATL to BKN
-Did not re-route Simons/Niang to create flexibility to keep Horford/Kornet
-Drafted a 19yo & 2 players on 2ways, trading back from 32 to 46/57
-Signed 2 development players

Looking beyond ‘26

I have no problem at all with what Brad Stevens is doing. Masterful!

The 2-ways are just penny-pinching. And sounds like they wanted to reroute Simons. Probably just no takers.
And Porzi was a pure money dump.

But yeah, seems like the sitch is just up Brad's alley.

What do you think was his choice? Stay over second apronf with a $52M player out fior the year. You wouldn't be able to trade for any players unless salaries matches. U can't do a 2 for 1, can't use on the MLE, and you can't use your draft picks to trade. And it costs 8x the salary.

I mean, if Brad didn't do what he is doing he is an idiot.


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[jfs1000d]

And to get on those who don't like what Brad is doing…i just think staying above apron is dumb basketball management.

The owners wanted this stupid system, brad just living in it.


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[jfs1000d]

Duncan Robinson just got $16M/yr, for all these clowns wanting to get rid of Hauser who makes only $10M and is a far superior player (and just about to hit his prime). He’s a piece you want to keep when JT gets back from injury

Agree. But he is also beat way to get draft picks back that they can use to get a big. I am for Hauser for a young players and a future first.


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[themoneyteam2]

Duncan Robinson just got $16M/yr, for all these clowns wanting to get rid of Hauser who makes only $10M and is a far superior player (and just about to hit his prime). He’s a piece you want to keep when JT gets back from injury

Agree. But he is also beat way to get draft picks back that they can use to get a big. I am for Hauser for a young players and a future first.


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Sure, but realistically looks like there isn't a deal out there that is going to net you a young player and future 1st for him. My guess is they ride it out until the deadline and if they suck will and 0% chance JT returns will then dump Simons and Niang and others to try to get below luxury tax.

I've heard Brad wants to keep JT, JB, White, Pritchard, and Hauser going forward.

[Hal14]

After the minott signing isn't the team in the 2nd apron? then why they are signing minott instead of dump some players first?

Because the tax bill isn't calculated till the end of the season. We have like 8 months to dump another player. But Brad wanted Minott so he signed him - if he waited, then another team may have signed him..

[keevsnick1]

Right now they're $331,539 above the 2nd apron and $20,260,539 above the tax. That's with 15 players signed. They only need 14.

They might not duck the tax this year but they should give themselves options to. Therefore, I expect Hauser to be moved next. It's just too risky to keep him on a 4 year deal. I hate to speak of bad things, but imagine a world where he pops his knee in November. That becomes an albatross 4 year term to move at the deadline if he's hurt like that. Too, too risky.

If they dump Hauser they're back down to the required 14 players and $10,215,896 above the luxury tax. At that point, if they do want to duck the tax midyear, it's as "simple" as dumping Niang and 2 minimum/rookie contract players and then replacing those 3 guys with pro rated minimum salaries for whoever the 2-way guys are (presumably the 2 rookies and Peterson). I hesitate to call dumping 3 players "simple" but Niang on an $8.2M deal is usually fine to move at the deadline and then the rookie/minimum deals are usually easy enough too.

I think it's important to give themselves an avenue to duck the tax without NEEDING to touch the Simons deal. That's a big number to move in this league where everyone ends up hard capped at some threshold. Hauser would have to go if they keep Simons and duck the tax, and on a 4 year deal too much risk to carry into the year.

I don't think even this plan works. If you removed all of Hauser, Niang and say Tillman at trade deadline you'd still, by my math, be only 600K under the tax. You'd still have to fill in two roster spots with rookie min guys for roughly 1/3 of the season. I think you'd still end up just over. 2x1/3x1.27=846K

[Hal14]

Stevens needs to include Walsh as a filler in his next trade so the Celtics can sign Drew Peterson who is 2 times the player that Walsh is right now.

We're at 15 guys on the roster now, though. And given our financial situation and how we're basically punting this season, I'm assuming we'll only go with 14 guys..so if we trade/waive Walsh, that simply brings us down to 14 guys..which is where we will likely stay.

So I doubt we are bringing Peterson back..unless we dump 2 more guys..

Or maybe Peterson gets a 2-way again. But we already have 3 2-ways (Norris, Williams, Shulga)..but 2-ways are non-guaranteed deals so I suppose 1 of our 2-ways could get waived at any point, like if they suck during summer league. But it seems unlikely we'd waive 1 of our 2-ways until we're at least a couple months into the season..

[cloverleaf]

After the minott signing isn't the team in the 2nd apron? then why they are signing minott instead of dump some players first?

Because the tax bill isn't calculated till the end of the season. We have like 8 months to dump another player. But Brad wanted Minott so he signed him - if he waited, then another team may have signed him..

But meanwhile you can't use the greater flexibility.

[Riverwalk2021]

Duncan Robinson just got $16M/yr, for all these clowns wanting to get rid of Hauser who makes only $10M and is a far superior player (and just about to hit his prime). He’s a piece you want to keep when JT gets back from injury

Far superior player who averaged 3 ppg in the POs and cooked on defense like a stuffed Thanksgiving turkey

[hugepatsfan]

Right now they're $331,539 above the 2nd apron and $20,260,539 above the tax. That's with 15 players signed. They only need 14.

They might not duck the tax this year but they should give themselves options to. Therefore, I expect Hauser to be moved next. It's just too risky to keep him on a 4 year deal. I hate to speak of bad things, but imagine a world where he pops his knee in November. That becomes an albatross 4 year term to move at the deadline if he's hurt like that. Too, too risky.

If they dump Hauser they're back down to the required 14 players and $10,215,896 above the luxury tax. At that point, if they do want to duck the tax midyear, it's as "simple" as dumping Niang and 2 minimum/rookie contract players and then replacing those 3 guys with pro rated minimum salaries for whoever the 2-way guys are (presumably the 2 rookies and Peterson). I hesitate to call dumping 3 players "simple" but Niang on an $8.2M deal is usually fine to move at the deadline and then the rookie/minimum deals are usually easy enough too.

I think it's important to give themselves an avenue to duck the tax without NEEDING to touch the Simons deal. That's a big number to move in this league where everyone ends up hard capped at some threshold. Hauser would have to go if they keep Simons and duck the tax, and on a 4 year deal too much risk to carry into the year.

I don't think even this plan works. If you removed all of Hauser, Niang and say Tillman at trade deadline you'd still, by my math, be only 600K under the tax. You'd still have to fill in two roster spots with rookie min guys for roughly 1/3 of the season. I think you'd still end up just over. 2x1/3x1.27=846K

Are you factoring in that we have 15 guys right now when we only need 14?

Right now we are at $208,155,539 in salary for 15 guys. That's $20,260,539 above the tax and $331,539 above the 2nd apron. Let's say they waive Jordan Walsh to get down to 14 players and below the 2nd apron. Even assume they maintain the $200K dead cap hit for his partial guarantee. That brings them to $206,134,372 in salary - $18,239,372 above the tax and $$1,689,628 below 2nd apron.

Midseason, let's say they dump Hauser, Niang and Tillman. That's a combined $20,791,318. So now they go to $2,551,946 UNDER the tax but with 3 spots to fill. I presume the 2 2nd rounders and Drew Peterson will be our 2-way guys, so I'll use them to fill the roster.

The rookie minimum is $1,272,870. Signing the rookies to that halfway through the year would be $636,435 each. Peterson's minimum as a 1 year experience player would be $2,048,494 so his half season proration is $1,024,247. Add those 3 signings together and the total is $2,297,117 which fits under the $2,551,946 of room I calculated above.

My concern though is that if, unfortunately, Hauser ever got seriously hurt, that 4 year deal becomes an absolute beast to unload at the deadline. So I don't like the risk of carrying him into the year with a plan to dump him to duck the tax. And I'm also skeptical they'll be able to shed at amount of money on Simons' deal. So if they do seriously plan to duck the tax, I think they should move him now to get down to 14 players instead of Walsh. And then you play out the same math I did above, except at the deadline it's Walsh being moved for a pro rated minimum instead of Hauser. Or sub in some other vet min player for Walsh/Tillman.

[cloverleaf]

Right now they're $331,539 above the 2nd apron and $20,260,539 above the tax. That's with 15 players signed. They only need 14.

They might not duck the tax this year but they should give themselves options to. Therefore, I expect Hauser to be moved next. It's just too risky to keep him on a 4 year deal. I hate to speak of bad things, but imagine a world where he pops his knee in November. That becomes an albatross 4 year term to move at the deadline if he's hurt like that. Too, too risky.

If they dump Hauser they're back down to the required 14 players and $10,215,896 above the luxury tax. At that point, if they do want to duck the tax midyear, it's as "simple" as dumping Niang and 2 minimum/rookie contract players and then replacing those 3 guys with pro rated minimum salaries for whoever the 2-way guys are (presumably the 2 rookies and Peterson). I hesitate to call dumping 3 players "simple" but Niang on an $8.2M deal is usually fine to move at the deadline and then the rookie/minimum deals are usually easy enough too.

I think it's important to give themselves an avenue to duck the tax without NEEDING to touch the Simons deal. That's a big number to move in this league where everyone ends up hard capped at some threshold. Hauser would have to go if they keep Simons and duck the tax, and on a 4 year deal too much risk to carry into the year.

I don't think even this plan works. If you removed all of Hauser, Niang and say Tillman at trade deadline you'd still, by my math, be only 600K under the tax. You'd still have to fill in two roster spots with rookie min guys for roughly 1/3 of the season. I think you'd still end up just over. 2x1/3x1.27=846K

Are you factoring in that we have 15 guys right now when we only need 14?

Right now we are at $208,155,539 in salary for 15 guys. That's $20,260,539 above the tax and $331,539 above the 2nd apron. Let's say they waive Jordan Walsh to get down to 14 players and below the 2nd apron. Even assume they maintain the $200K dead cap hit for his partial guarantee. That brings them to $206,134,372 in salary - $18,239,372 above the tax and $$1,689,628 below 2nd apron.

Midseason, let's say they dump Hauser, Niang and Tillman. That's a combined $20,791,318. So now they go to $2,551,946 UNDER the tax but with 3 spots to fill. I presume the 2 2nd rounders and Drew Peterson will be our 2-way guys, so I'll use them to fill the roster.

The rookie minimum is $1,272,870. Signing the rookies to that halfway through the year would be $636,435 each. Peterson's minimum as a 1 year experience player would be $2,048,494 so his half season proration is $1,024,247. Add those 3 signings together and the total is $2,297,117 which fits under the $2,551,946 of room I calculated above.

My concern though is that if, unfortunately, Hauser ever got seriously hurt, that 4 year deal becomes an absolute beast to unload at the deadline. So I don't like the risk of carrying him into the year with a plan to dump him to duck the tax. And I'm also skeptical they'll be able to shed at amount of money on Simons' deal. So if they do seriously plan to duck the tax, I think they should move him now to get down to 14 players instead of Walsh. And then you play out the same math I did above, except at the deadline it's Walsh being moved for a pro rated minimum instead of Hauser. Or sub in some other vet min player for Walsh/Tillman.

if we can't risk Hauser's contract, we'd better hurry up and dump Brown and White too! (Tatum's already injured, so not much more risk there for now.)

[hugepatsfan]

I don't think even this plan works. If you removed all of Hauser, Niang and say Tillman at trade deadline you'd still, by my math, be only 600K under the tax. You'd still have to fill in two roster spots with rookie min guys for roughly 1/3 of the season. I think you'd still end up just over. 2x1/3x1.27=846K

Are you factoring in that we have 15 guys right now when we only need 14?

Right now we are at $208,155,539 in salary for 15 guys. That's $20,260,539 above the tax and $331,539 above the 2nd apron. Let's say they waive Jordan Walsh to get down to 14 players and below the 2nd apron. Even assume they maintain the $200K dead cap hit for his partial guarantee. That brings them to $206,134,372 in salary - $18,239,372 above the tax and $$1,689,628 below 2nd apron.

Midseason, let's say they dump Hauser, Niang and Tillman. That's a combined $20,791,318. So now they go to $2,551,946 UNDER the tax but with 3 spots to fill. I presume the 2 2nd rounders and Drew Peterson will be our 2-way guys, so I'll use them to fill the roster.

The rookie minimum is $1,272,870. Signing the rookies to that halfway through the year would be $636,435 each. Peterson's minimum as a 1 year experience player would be $2,048,494 so his half season proration is $1,024,247. Add those 3 signings together and the total is $2,297,117 which fits under the $2,551,946 of room I calculated above.

My concern though is that if, unfortunately, Hauser ever got seriously hurt, that 4 year deal becomes an absolute beast to unload at the deadline. So I don't like the risk of carrying him into the year with a plan to dump him to duck the tax. And I'm also skeptical they'll be able to shed at amount of money on Simons' deal. So if they do seriously plan to duck the tax, I think they should move him now to get down to 14 players instead of Walsh. And then you play out the same math I did above, except at the deadline it's Walsh being moved for a pro rated minimum instead of Hauser. Or sub in some other vet min player for Walsh/Tillman.

if we can't risk Hauser's contract, we'd better hurry up and dump Brown and White too! (Tatum's already injured, so not much more risk there for now.)

You're missing the context. They know their payroll picture. They know how strong their intentions are or aren't to duck the tax. I'm saying that if they do plan to duck the tax, it very likely includes dumping Hauser into a TPE or a MLE somewhere. And if he ever did get hurt, that becomes a tough proposition with a 4 year deal to just offload that money. Trading a guy like that with a serious injury would cost pick(s) to do. Just life.

Obviously it would be a disaster of Brown or White got hurt as well. But I'm not forecasting any expectation of dumping them midseason. It's an apples to oranges comparison.

[Gant]

Bobby Krivitsky‬

While discussing what the Lakers are working on to upgrade at center, Dave McMenamin says on ESPN LA radio: "I don't think that's gonna happen with Horford."

It feels to me like the Warriors are in the lead. Nuggets traded for Valanciunas. Knicks got Yabusele. Cavs are signing Larry Nance Jr.

I won't rule the Celtics out, but their circumstances are understood.

[celticgreenie]

Bobby Krivitsky‬

While discussing what the Lakers are working on to upgrade at center, Dave McMenamin says on ESPN LA radio: "I don't think that's gonna happen with Horford."

It feels to me like the Warriors are in the lead. Nuggets traded for Valanciunas. Knicks got Yabusele. Cavs are signing Larry Nance Jr.

I won't rule the Celtics out, but their circumstances are understood.

Well I wouldn't want to lose Al but maybe we can get TJD back in a sign and trade. Weren't we interested in him before the draft? I want to say he was looking for a guaranteed contract and we were only willing to offer 2 way.

[hugepatsfan]

Give Al a no trade clause and tell him he'll have his number retired if he finishes his career here. Freak him out that if he signs with more money on another team they might have to use his salary in a trade to make the hard cap rules work for them in a midseason deal. Those are all the stops they have to pull out to convince him to stay.

[fallguy]

Why do we want Al back? Sentiment aside.