2025 Offseason Thread Vol.4

[Lilseb93]

I posted it awhile ago and someone brought it up recently. In 3 seasons Bam is the only guy on the books and he will be 30. When I first brought it up 2-3 seasons ago it was before Ware was drafted. Now Ware is on the books same year. Bam and Ware $59 million going in to 27 season. That's flexibility.

A lot can happen between now and then, but the Heat aren't in deep with a bunch of bad contracts on the books at this point. Even going in to 26 offseason isn't horrible if they can get out of Wiggins deal. And it's a player option so likely he'd opt out for a longer deal with more years somewhere.

I don't think Heat can land a Luka or Giannis, but maybe they can land 1-2 other guys who can turn in to those type of players. Add that to Bam, Herro, and an aging vet (Dame?) and suddenly you have a team.

We can only hope....

They have some flexibility now because we've sat through 2 rough seasons now and we can finally fix the mistakes. The bad mistakes of the Jimmy era are coming to an end. The contracts are ending, and others are expiring to be removed in trades. So they have the chance to wipe the slate clean and move on properly now. Let's all hope for the best.

[batterybro42]

Can we all agree on who’s fault that is?

We’ve been strapped on trade assets since we lost a top 5 player in NBA history for nothing, and then lost a HOF power forward in his prime to a career ending medical situation. I don’t think you understand the sacrifices that were made to keep Miami out of the basement during those times. Did it result in a ring? No. But we took some pretty good cracks at it including two finals trips in those 10 years.

Now for the first time since LeBron came here Miami is moving into a situation with cap space and tradable assets. It’s been a long road, but I respect Miami and Riley’s way of always trying to push for summit. Very few teams I’d trade the last decade of ball with, although there are some it’s remarkable when you sit back and really look at the situation for what it was. We should have been sent back to the Stone Age the way it played out. We could have been like some other franchises and tanked like 76ers and what do they have to show for it? For every team like the Thunder there are plenty of others who have been stuck in the never ending cycle who would consider a playoff series win a massive franchise altering achievement.

I mean do you disagree? Or were you not following the team back then? I don’t think you were

[jbsays]

I posted it a year ago and someone brought it up recently. In 3 seasons Bam is the only guy on the books and he will be 30. When I first brought it up 2-3 seasons ago it was before Ware was drafted. Now Ware is on the books same year. Bam and Ware $59 million going in to 27 season. That's flexibility.

A lot can happen between now and then, but the Heat aren't in deep with a bunch of bad contracts on the books at this point. Even going in to 26 offseason isn't horrible if they can get out of Wiggins deal. And it's a player option so likely he'd opt out for a longer deal with more years somewhere.

I don't think Heat can land a Luka or Giannis, but maybe they can land 1-2 other guys who can turn in to those type of players. Add that to Bam, Herro, and an aging vet (Dame?) and suddenly you have a team.

We can only hope....

The players that hit free agency are the PG-13 of the league. Star get paid then demand a trade. The game has changed unfortunately.

Yeah I get that.
Maybe loading up on lottery picks for a year or two isn't a bad idea... which certainly looks possible for this team over the next two seasons.

But maybe the Heat find a guy in free agency who they're willing to overpay that turns into a star. I mean Turner just left Pacers for Bucks. If they could add a guy like that and somehow trade for an over the hill vet like KD to add with Bam and Herro it would be an improvement.

[Lilseb93]

Whale hunting in FA is practically over in today's NBA, but they can definitely be the team that isn't the 4th best team in the trade offer in the future.

[Lurtz]

I posted it awhile ago and someone brought it up recently. In 3 seasons Bam is the only guy on the books and he will be 30. When I first brought it up 2-3 seasons ago it was before Ware was drafted. Now Ware is on the books same year. Bam and Ware $59 million going in to 27 season. That's flexibility.

A lot can happen between now and then, but the Heat aren't in deep with a bunch of bad contracts on the books at this point. Even going in to 26 offseason isn't horrible if they can get out of Wiggins deal. And it's a player option so likely he'd opt out for a longer deal with more years somewhere.

I don't think Heat can land a Luka or Giannis, but maybe they can land 1-2 other guys who can turn in to those type of players. Add that to Bam, Herro, and an aging vet (Dame?) and suddenly you have a team.

We can only hope....

They have some flexibility now because we've sat through 2 rough seasons now and we can finally fix the mistakes. The bad mistakes of the Jimmy era are coming to an end. The contracts are ending, and others are expiring to be removed in trades. So they have the chance to wipe the slate clean and move on properly now. Let's all hope for the best.

They offered Caleb Martin $65 million!

I don't have much confidence in this front office.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We’ve been strapped on trade assets since we lost a top 5 player in NBA history for nothing, and then lost a HOF power forward in his prime to a career ending medical situation. I don’t think you understand the sacrifices that were made to keep Miami out of the basement during those times. Did it result in a ring? No. But we took some pretty good cracks at it including two finals trips in those 10 years.

Now for the first time since LeBron came here Miami is moving into a situation with cap space and tradable assets. It’s been a long road, but I respect Miami and Riley’s way of always trying to push for summit. Very few teams I’d trade the last decade of ball with, although there are some it’s remarkable when you sit back and really look at the situation for what it was. We should have been sent back to the Stone Age the way it played out. We could have been like some other franchises and tanked like 76ers and what do they have to show for it? For every team like the Thunder there are plenty of others who have been stuck in the never ending cycle who would consider a playoff series win a massive franchise altering achievement.

I mean do you disagree? Or were you not following the team back then? I don’t think you were

I’ve been following since 03 but sure, hop on that same dumbass “Bam Stan” shtick everyone else does because I defend the franchises best and most important player, it’ll get you some clout for sure.

Several teams have bottomed out and are right back in the mix with much better futures in a much quicker time frame than stuff that happened to us over a decade ago. Those are just excuses

[batterybro42]

I posted it awhile ago and someone brought it up recently. In 3 seasons Bam is the only guy on the books and he will be 30. When I first brought it up 2-3 seasons ago it was before Ware was drafted. Now Ware is on the books same year. Bam and Ware $59 million going in to 27 season. That's flexibility.

A lot can happen between now and then, but the Heat aren't in deep with a bunch of bad contracts on the books at this point. Even going in to 26 offseason isn't horrible if they can get out of Wiggins deal. And it's a player option so likely he'd opt out for a longer deal with more years somewhere.

I don't think Heat can land a Luka or Giannis, but maybe they can land 1-2 other guys who can turn in to those type of players. Add that to Bam, Herro, and an aging vet (Dame?) and suddenly you have a team.

We can only hope....

They have some flexibility now because we've sat through 2 rough seasons now and we can finally fix the mistakes. The bad mistakes of the Jimmy era are coming to an end. The contracts are ending, and others are expiring to be removed in trades. So they have the chance to wipe the slate clean and move on properly now. Let's all hope for the best.

The Heat didn’t screw up the end of the Jimmy build Jimmy did. If Jimmy had just shut up and played ball we probably acquire KD at the deadline, and end up the finals. Now we are in a good position long term to create the next build which we have done countless times before.

We had the Zo, Hardaway build cut short due to Zo’s Kidneys

Transitioned to the young build with Wade, Caron, and Lamar

Moved onto to Shaq and Wade (Title)

Then Wade, Jermaine O, and Shawn Marion

Big 3 era (Two Titles)

Bosh, Wade, Goran, and Deng which ended tragically when Bosh got blood clots

Jimmy era

Next era

There is your last 30 years of Heat ball

[Lilseb93]

I posted it awhile ago and someone brought it up recently. In 3 seasons Bam is the only guy on the books and he will be 30. When I first brought it up 2-3 seasons ago it was before Ware was drafted. Now Ware is on the books same year. Bam and Ware $59 million going in to 27 season. That's flexibility.

A lot can happen between now and then, but the Heat aren't in deep with a bunch of bad contracts on the books at this point. Even going in to 26 offseason isn't horrible if they can get out of Wiggins deal. And it's a player option so likely he'd opt out for a longer deal with more years somewhere.

I don't think Heat can land a Luka or Giannis, but maybe they can land 1-2 other guys who can turn in to those type of players. Add that to Bam, Herro, and an aging vet (Dame?) and suddenly you have a team.

We can only hope....

They have some flexibility now because we've sat through 2 rough seasons now and we can finally fix the mistakes. The bad mistakes of the Jimmy era are coming to an end. The contracts are ending, and others are expiring to be removed in trades. So they have the chance to wipe the slate clean and move on properly now. Let's all hope for the best.

They offered Caleb Martin $65 million!

I don't have much confidence in this front office.

I don't either. All I can do is hope for the best. This is not a good front office right now. I'd love to be proven wrong, and they have a proven track record of success, but we can't live off legacy.

[SoFlaKingReal]

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[dshearn]

What is there to look forward to this season? (Genuine question) last season was worse than when shaq got traded.

Does it all come down to ware / kasper development?

Personally I'm excited for the season for a few reasons:

- Continued development of Ware and Jovic
- First look at Jakucionis, who could be a key part of the rebuild?
- Jaquez; can he get back ontrack and rediscover that mojo?
- Larsson; can he develop into a key rotation piece and 3&D wing?

All these guys should have bigger roles next season, which is only a good thing for our future.

hell yeah....and you know we will have some scrappy dude show up who is worth rooting for, our next Duncan or Caleb type....

I like developmental years, but we need to give the kids burn and develop them

[Lilseb93]

I posted it awhile ago and someone brought it up recently. In 3 seasons Bam is the only guy on the books and he will be 30. When I first brought it up 2-3 seasons ago it was before Ware was drafted. Now Ware is on the books same year. Bam and Ware $59 million going in to 27 season. That's flexibility.

A lot can happen between now and then, but the Heat aren't in deep with a bunch of bad contracts on the books at this point. Even going in to 26 offseason isn't horrible if they can get out of Wiggins deal. And it's a player option so likely he'd opt out for a longer deal with more years somewhere.

I don't think Heat can land a Luka or Giannis, but maybe they can land 1-2 other guys who can turn in to those type of players. Add that to Bam, Herro, and an aging vet (Dame?) and suddenly you have a team.

We can only hope....

They have some flexibility now because we've sat through 2 rough seasons now and we can finally fix the mistakes. The bad mistakes of the Jimmy era are coming to an end. The contracts are ending, and others are expiring to be removed in trades. So they have the chance to wipe the slate clean and move on properly now. Let's all hope for the best.

The Heat didn’t screw up the end of the Jimmy build Jimmy did. If Jimmy had just shut up and played ball we probably acquire KD at the deadline, and end up the finals. Now we are in a good position long term to create the next build which we have done countless times before.

We had the Zo, Hardaway build cut short due to Zo’s Kidneys

Transitioned to the young build with Wade, Caron, and Lamar

Moved onto to Shaq and Wade (Title)

Then Wade, Jermaine O, and Shawn Marion

Big 3 era (Two Titles)

Bosh, Wade, Goran, and Deng which ended tragically when Bosh got blood clots

Jimmy era

Next era

There is your last 30 years of Heat ball

I didn't say we screwed up the Jimmy build but we definitely should have saw the writing on the wall and traded him before. We had chances to improve the roster with Jimmy, and we never did. We got caught up in whatever big FA or trade without any of the assets, and could have gotten quality starters at the 4 spot instead for example. I'm not going to entirely blame the Heat for Jimmy leaving, but I do think they made really bad decisions in that era, too.

But you're right, new era. They've proven to be good before. That's why I said I'll hope for the best.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I posted it awhile ago and someone brought it up recently. In 3 seasons Bam is the only guy on the books and he will be 30. When I first brought it up 2-3 seasons ago it was before Ware was drafted. Now Ware is on the books same year. Bam and Ware $59 million going in to 27 season. That's flexibility.

A lot can happen between now and then, but the Heat aren't in deep with a bunch of bad contracts on the books at this point. Even going in to 26 offseason isn't horrible if they can get out of Wiggins deal. And it's a player option so likely he'd opt out for a longer deal with more years somewhere.

I don't think Heat can land a Luka or Giannis, but maybe they can land 1-2 other guys who can turn in to those type of players. Add that to Bam, Herro, and an aging vet (Dame?) and suddenly you have a team.

We can only hope....

They have some flexibility now because we've sat through 2 rough seasons now and we can finally fix the mistakes. The bad mistakes of the Jimmy era are coming to an end. The contracts are ending, and others are expiring to be removed in trades. So they have the chance to wipe the slate clean and move on properly now. Let's all hope for the best.

The Heat didn’t screw up the end of the Jimmy build Jimmy did. If Jimmy had just shut up and played ball we probably acquire KD at the deadline, and end up the finals. Now we are in a good position long term to create the next build which we have done countless times before.

We had the Zo, Hardaway build cut short due to Zo’s Kidneys

Transitioned to the young build with Wade, Caron, and Lamar

Moved onto to Shaq and Wade (Title)

Then Wade, Jermaine O, and Shawn Marion

Big 3 era (Two Titles)

Bosh, Wade, Goran, and Deng which ended tragically when Bosh got blood clots

Jimmy era

Next era

There is your last 30 years of Heat ball

And we’re all grateful for those championship years and can also admit that the same guys who built those teams may not be fit for the job anymore just like the players from those teams aren’t fit for the job anymore. That should not be as controversial as it is, they have not done a good job outside of drafting since the big 3 era for the most part.

[Lilseb93]

What is there to look forward to this season? (Genuine question) last season was worse than when shaq got traded.

Does it all come down to ware / kasper development?

Personally I'm excited for the season for a few reasons:

- Continued development of Ware and Jovic
- First look at Jakucionis, who could be a key part of the rebuild?
- Jaquez; can he get back ontrack and rediscover that mojo?
- Larsson; can he develop into a key rotation piece and 3&D wing?

All these guys should have bigger roles next season, which is only a good thing for our future.

hell yeah....and you know we will have some scrappy dude show up who is worth rooting for, our next Duncan or Caleb type....

I like developmental years, but we need to give the kids burn and develop them

Which is awesome and I'm cool with that, but if you know the guy is going to hit his ceiling, trade him while the stock is high. Our young guys who develop should be traded assets for better players unless they are really good themselves. That's one thing the Heat have failed to do. They need to be more proactive. Gabe, Strus, Duncan, ect. were good players for us, but we knew what they were and how far they could go.

[MiamiLoyal926]

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How did this go over our heads… another player for the Miami Jazz squad!!

[batterybro42]

I mean do you disagree? Or were you not following the team back then? I don’t think you were

I’ve been following since 03 but sure, hop on that same dumbass “Bam Stan” shtick everyone else does because I defend the franchises best and most important player, it’ll get you some clout for sure.

Several teams have bottomed out and are right back in the mix with much better futures in a much quicker time frame than stuff that happened to us over a decade ago. Those are just excuses

I didn’t mention your Bam fandom once.

I don’t think you understand what bottoming out looks like. But you’ve never watched long stretches of basketball with your favorite team outside of championship contention before. Hopefully you never have to.

But if you became a Heat fan in 03 yes you’ve been immensely spoiled

[twix2500]

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[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[HeatFan_NC]

Clean the house! Fresh start and rebuild. If bam wants to stick around and mentor so be it, send the rest packing

Don’t give Bam that option, convince him it’s in his best interest to be shipped out to a contender and thank him for all he’s done. The jersey will hang one day

Bam isn't going anywhere. He just needs to keep elevating his game. Lead us big man.

Bam and Ware could be a nice 1-2 punch once Ware gets stronger and improves

[3ammy3uck3ts]

I mean do you disagree? Or were you not following the team back then? I don’t think you were

I’ve been following since 03 but sure, hop on that same dumbass “Bam Stan” shtick everyone else does because I defend the franchises best and most important player, it’ll get you some clout for sure.

Several teams have bottomed out and are right back in the mix with much better futures in a much quicker time frame than stuff that happened to us over a decade ago. Those are just excuses

I didn’t mention your Bam fandom once.

I don’t think you understand what bottoming out looks like. But you’ve never watched long stretches of basketball with your favorite team outside of championship contention before. Hopefully you never have to.

But if you became a Heat fan in 03 yes you’ve been immensely spoiled

I mean without putting any thought into it OKC and Houston both bottomed out after the stuff you mentioned that is hindering us over a decade later and are currently better and also built far better for the future.

I have definitely been spoiled, mainly due to the greatness of Wade, but that doesn’t mean I can’t point out incompetence when I see it.

[Lilseb93]

I mean do you disagree? Or were you not following the team back then? I don’t think you were

I’ve been following since 03 but sure, hop on that same dumbass “Bam Stan” shtick everyone else does because I defend the franchises best and most important player, it’ll get you some clout for sure.

Several teams have bottomed out and are right back in the mix with much better futures in a much quicker time frame than stuff that happened to us over a decade ago. Those are just excuses

I didn’t mention your Bam fandom once.

I don’t think you understand what bottoming out looks like. But you’ve never watched long stretches of basketball with your favorite team outside of championship contention before. Hopefully you never have to.

But if you became a Heat fan in 03 yes you’ve been immensely spoiled

It's tricky because the Heat have had a great 21st century, but they've made a lot of bonehead decisions, too. It's ok to criticize bad moves or lack of foresight, even if they are a good franchise as a whole. I will never compare them to the Kings or Hornets. We have higher expectations. I just can't get into the mindset that it's ok we've crippled this team with bad contracts and no trade assets because we made a couple of Finals runs and won a title 12 years ago. I don't think what I'm saying is super whiny or illogical. I think it's fair that this FO has gotten criticism lately. That doesn't mean everything is awful and it's over, or that we'll never be good again either. I'm just waiting to see what they do next. I'm letting it play out.