Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade/Waiver Thread

[phincsfan]

It's just hard for me to envision Al leaving for the Warriors. Curry I get but Butler and Green don't seem like his kind of people to play with. Put it to you this way, do we think there's hidden footage of Al sucker punching some young player during a practice?

Al’s living the life. He seems like all the moving around doesn’t faze him. His family travels all over with him.

Not referring to moving around. I'm referring to the teammates he's playing with. The Celtics locker room has been a good one where players feel good about bringing their kids around.

I hear you, I just think Al actually likes all the moving around.

[phincsfan]

It’s small potatoes, but one thing I don’t quite get is the love some have on this board for Drew Peterson. I mean, he might make the league, but he’s maybe 6th on our wing depth chart? JB, Sam, Baylor, Hugo, Minott, then Drew or Walsh or Max Shulga — it doesn’t seem to matter much.

I propose we use this as a wedge issue to irrevocably drive the board apart.

**** THE DREW FANS!!

F*** the non Drew fans

[The Corey's]

It’s small potatoes, but one thing I don’t quite get is the love some have on this board for Drew Peterson. I mean, he might make the league, but he’s maybe 6th on our wing depth chart? JB, Sam, Baylor, Hugo, Minott, then Drew or Walsh or Max Shulga — it doesn’t seem to matter much.

I propose we use this as a wedge issue to irrevocably drive the board apart.

**** THE DREW FANS!!

F*** the non Drew fans

**** Drew and Scal. My have the mighty fallen in commentary.

[fallguy]

Michael Pina (on the Off the Pike pod) suggests, probably fairly, that JB and DW will be aggressively load-managed this year.

[165bows]

Dump Simons and Hauser. Get a lottery pick.

Rebuild around Tatum and White for the next 3 years.

Milk 1 more title out of it.

You're welcome.

No one wants Simons.

[Hal14]

I don't think even this plan works. If you removed all of Hauser, Niang and say Tillman at trade deadline you'd still, by my math, be only 600K under the tax. You'd still have to fill in two roster spots with rookie min guys for roughly 1/3 of the season. I think you'd still end up just over. 2x1/3x1.27=846K

Are you factoring in that we have 15 guys right now when we only need 14?

Right now we are at $208,155,539 in salary for 15 guys. That's $20,260,539 above the tax and $331,539 above the 2nd apron. Let's say they waive Jordan Walsh to get down to 14 players and below the 2nd apron. Even assume they maintain the $200K dead cap hit for his partial guarantee. That brings them to $206,134,372 in salary - $18,239,372 above the tax and $$1,689,628 below 2nd apron.

Midseason, let's say they dump Hauser, Niang and Tillman. That's a combined $20,791,318. So now they go to $2,551,946 UNDER the tax but with 3 spots to fill. I presume the 2 2nd rounders and Drew Peterson will be our 2-way guys, so I'll use them to fill the roster.

The rookie minimum is $1,272,870. Signing the rookies to that halfway through the year would be $636,435 each. Peterson's minimum as a 1 year experience player would be $2,048,494 so his half season proration is $1,024,247. Add those 3 signings together and the total is $2,297,117 which fits under the $2,551,946 of room I calculated above.

My concern though is that if, unfortunately, Hauser ever got seriously hurt, that 4 year deal becomes an absolute beast to unload at the deadline. So I don't like the risk of carrying him into the year with a plan to dump him to duck the tax. And I'm also skeptical they'll be able to shed at amount of money on Simons' deal. So if they do seriously plan to duck the tax, I think they should move him now to get down to 14 players instead of Walsh. And then you play out the same math I did above, except at the deadline it's Walsh being moved for a pro rated minimum instead of Hauser. Or sub in some other vet min player for Walsh/Tillman.

if we can't risk Hauser's contract, we'd better hurry up and dump Brown and White too! (Tatum's already injured, so not much more risk there for now.)

Hauser is replaceable, though. We will NEED JB and white to win Banner 19. The same is not true about Hauser..he's a nice to have, not a need to have.

[The Corey's]

Dump Simons and Hauser. Get a lottery pick.

Rebuild around Tatum and White for the next 3 years.

Milk 1 more title out of it.

You're welcome.

No one wants Simons.

I'm just in love with the idea of loading up on prospects.

Simons is probably worth a 1 to someone who's desperate. Just gotta play the long game.

[165bows]

It’s small potatoes, but one thing I don’t quite get is the love some have on this board for Drew Peterson. I mean, he might make the league, but he’s maybe 6th on our wing depth chart? JB, Sam, Baylor, Hugo, Minott, then Drew or Walsh or Max Shulga — it doesn’t seem to matter much.

I propose we use this as a wedge issue to irrevocably drive the board apart.

**** THE DREW FANS!!

F*** the non Drew fans

**** Drew and Scal. My have the mighty fallen in commentary.

Long live Sean Grande

[31to6]

It’s small potatoes, but one thing I don’t quite get is the love some have on this board for Drew Peterson. I mean, he might make the league, but he’s maybe 6th on our wing depth chart? JB, Sam, Baylor, Hugo, Minott, then Drew or Walsh or Max Shulga — it doesn’t seem to matter much.

I propose we use this as a wedge issue to irrevocably drive the board apart.

**** THE DREW FANS!!

F*** the non Drew fans

**** Drew and Scal. My have the mighty fallen in commentary.

Yess yess let the disappointment of the reality of this offseason stoke the anger towards the various factions!

Watch on YouTube

[Hal14]

Why do we want Al back? Sentiment aside.

Because he can maybe still have some gas left in the tank when we're back in a position to contend for a title again in 26-27 season.

So he could win 1 more title here and retire off into the sunset with 2 NCAA titles and 2 NBA titles.

[165bows]

Dump Simons and Hauser. Get a lottery pick.

Rebuild around Tatum and White for the next 3 years.

Milk 1 more title out of it.

You're welcome.

No one wants Simons.

I'm just in love with the idea of loading up on prospects.

Simons is probably worth a 1 to someone who's desperate. Just gotta play the long game.

It’s def possible I just don’t see anywhere for him to go at this point in time. But I do prescribe to that idea in general on trades, value is pretty fluid since it’s based on what a buyer will be willing to pay.

And it is def looking like there is a prospect at the end of the rainbow this season, I’m not ruling out another big core piece trade still at all

[RickyDizzle]

Tillman and Simons for Nick Claxton?

Simons for J. Issac?

Feel like we need a move to convert Simons to a 4 or 5 at a smaller cap number...

[chrisab123]

Are you factoring in that we have 15 guys right now when we only need 14?

Right now we are at $208,155,539 in salary for 15 guys. That's $20,260,539 above the tax and $331,539 above the 2nd apron. Let's say they waive Jordan Walsh to get down to 14 players and below the 2nd apron. Even assume they maintain the $200K dead cap hit for his partial guarantee. That brings them to $206,134,372 in salary - $18,239,372 above the tax and $$1,689,628 below 2nd apron.

Midseason, let's say they dump Hauser, Niang and Tillman. That's a combined $20,791,318. So now they go to $2,551,946 UNDER the tax but with 3 spots to fill. I presume the 2 2nd rounders and Drew Peterson will be our 2-way guys, so I'll use them to fill the roster.

The rookie minimum is $1,272,870. Signing the rookies to that halfway through the year would be $636,435 each. Peterson's minimum as a 1 year experience player would be $2,048,494 so his half season proration is $1,024,247. Add those 3 signings together and the total is $2,297,117 which fits under the $2,551,946 of room I calculated above.

My concern though is that if, unfortunately, Hauser ever got seriously hurt, that 4 year deal becomes an absolute beast to unload at the deadline. So I don't like the risk of carrying him into the year with a plan to dump him to duck the tax. And I'm also skeptical they'll be able to shed at amount of money on Simons' deal. So if they do seriously plan to duck the tax, I think they should move him now to get down to 14 players instead of Walsh. And then you play out the same math I did above, except at the deadline it's Walsh being moved for a pro rated minimum instead of Hauser. Or sub in some other vet min player for Walsh/Tillman.

if we can't risk Hauser's contract, we'd better hurry up and dump Brown and White too! (Tatum's already injured, so not much more risk there for now.)

Hauser is replaceable, though. We will NEED JB and white to win Banner 19. The same is not true about Hauser..he's a nice to have, not a need to have.

People around here don’t care about Banner 19. They care about getting rid of White and Brown and saving money and blowing it up.

[playa-hater]

Dump Simons and Hauser. Get a lottery pick.

Rebuild around Tatum and White for the next 3 years.

Milk 1 more title out of it.

You're welcome.

No one wants Simons.

Not quite true. I want him and believe in his abilities. And I also believe he can be part of a championship team going forward. More importantly, even if you don't have the same belief that I have, you cannot just get rid of somebody who's a good player, in his prime, when we can't get equal value in return.

[165bows]

Dump Simons and Hauser. Get a lottery pick.

Rebuild around Tatum and White for the next 3 years.

Milk 1 more title out of it.

You're welcome.

No one wants Simons.

Not quite true. I want him and believe in his abilities. And I also believe he can be part of a championship team going forward. More importantly, even if you don't have the same belief that I have, you cannot just get rid of somebody who's a good player, in his prime, when we can't get equal value in return.

Well that’s precisely true we cannot just get rid of him that’s the whole point of the offseason at this point.

I am open to entertaining the idea that he’s low key good this year and he signs eg 3/21 and becomes a cool microwave scorer guy here when this team is relevant again. If that happens I’m great with it.

[165bows]

F*** the non Drew fans

**** Drew and Scal. My have the mighty fallen in commentary.

Yess yess let the disappointment of the reality of this offseason stoke the anger towards the various factions!

Watch on YouTube

For my contribution to the year I’ll be +1’ing all my own posts.

[jfs1000d]

Dump Simons and Hauser. Get a lottery pick.

Rebuild around Tatum and White for the next 3 years.

Milk 1 more title out of it.

You're welcome.

I'd sacrifice next decade for one more title. Lol.


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[Hal14]

Tillman and Simons for Nick Claxton?

Simons for J. Issac?

Feel like we need a move to convert Simons to a 4 or 5 at a smaller cap number...

I'd rather move Hauser for a C..and keep Simons..

Simons is a proven 20 PPG scorer..only 26 yrs old, entering his prime. Those are harder to find than Hauser, who's never been more than a 7th/8th man and has struggled a bit in the playoffs. Everything Hauser can do, we have in Niang at a cheaper price tag.

[165bows]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/281197/Duncan-Robinson-Acquired-By-Pistons-On-Three-Year-$48M-Deal;-Simone-Fontecchi-Dealt-To-Heat

Simons’ potential suitors falling like flies.

[Celts17Pride]

Dump Simons and Hauser. Get a lottery pick.

Rebuild around Tatum and White for the next 3 years.

Milk 1 more title out of it.

You're welcome.

That plan has the Celtics irrelevant for the next 10 years