[Shams] Myles Turner signs with the Bucks (4-year, $107 million)

[ArksNetsSince99]

If Hali doesn’t tear his Achilles this doesn’t happen.

Pacers are thinking about what happens beyond next year. Mathurin will be given the keys next year, and with Turner signed it would have been nearly impossible to retain him if he balls out, which I think he probably will. Kinda stuck between a rock and a hard place. Now that entire consideration has changed.

Also by reacquiring their pick, the possibility of a mini-tank is on the table. Pacers can play and evaluate the young guys, and actually have the money to keep them now if they play well, and can address the center position later. Pacers have all their picks going forward.

Paying the tax in a clear non-contending year while potentially pricing out their young talent would have been a bad long term move. All for what, to be a tough out in the second round? This is smart long term planning going on here.

Pacers should trade Mathurin ASAP , he is dog shiт , he lost Pacers the finals in a way in game 4

Nope. I agree with everything IMF said.

He was our 3rd leading scorer behind Paskal and Hali in the regular season. It was his 1st playoffs. He was inconsistent for sure, but the potential is really high. I want him to start at the 2 along side Nembhard. I want him to get plenty of shots up.

We don't want to trade him now, rookie contracts are not going to bring back anything of value. If he plays well we either keep or sign and trade him. I don't think he's going to hurt his value. Even if he doesn't play as well as I expect, he is so young some team will want to give him a shot or we can re-sign him cheaper.

He just turned 23 in June. I think he has a bright future, of course I've been wrong before.

I’m coming from the point that you can’t teach and miraculously acquire mental toughness, you can correct the shot , improve conditioning, improve a lot of physical aspects of the game

Mathurin is MENTAL MIDGET , he proved this over and over again EVERYTIME the games was on the line , it was like if u want to loose the game pass the ball to Mathurin or let him pass the ball , or let him guard and commit stupid foul , or even let him shoot the free throw and he will miss for you

I’m normally not that hard on young players but he just doesn’t have it , he might improve in every aspect of the game , mentally he is still Ben Simmons

[Daddy 801]

Bummer to see from an Indiana perspective. So few guys stay on a team for their entire career. Was hoping Turner could be one of them.

For the Bucks great pickup. Giannis should be happy about this.

Now why didn’t the Bucks just trade Dame to the Jazz for Sexton & Collins? As a Jazz fan I refuse to believe the Bucks weren’t willing to do it. It had to be the Jazz front office stopping that trade.

[Sixers in 4]

Bummer to see from an Indiana perspective. So few guys stay on a team for their entire career. Was hoping Turner could be one of them.

For the Bucks great pickup. Giannis should be happy about this.

Now why didn’t the Bucks just trade Dame to the Jazz for Sexton & Collins? As a Jazz fan I refuse to believe the Bucks weren’t willing to do it. It had to be the Jazz front office stopping that trade.

Because they couldn't have signed Turner if they did and Sexton and Collins are not very good.

[YogurtProducer]

Their future was already mortgaged. Your point is moot. They were going to be eating Dame’s contract next year anyway.

My point isn’t moot.

They could’ve moved Giannis and recouped most of what they mortgaged, if not more.

And **** doing that you never trade a superstar player in his prime it was 50 years in between championships! I could care less we might suck when Giannis retires KPJ is a very talented player the only reason this is first chance to be a starting pg is not basketball related it’s off the court stuff which he has cleaned up and matured. Him and GTJ as our starting guards with AJ green and Harris off the bench is perfect with their shooting for Giannis

The fact you brought up KPJ AJ and GTJ as your saviours should tell you everything

[grindtime22]

The most a designated player exception will give a team is like 14 million for a salary that big and I believe if you use it, it still counts against the cap, so usually it never gets used.

I think they can put in for it at the start of the season. It would atleast get them under the tax threshold. And I'm probably wrong, but I thought it was closer to half. Because when the Bulls did that with Lonzo, they got like a $10 mill exception and he was making $21

Here's a breakdown:

Determining the Exception Amount:

The DPE allows a team to replace an injured player with a player whose salary is no more than the lesser of half the injured player's salary or the NTMLE. 

Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level Exception (NTMLE):

For the 2024-25 season, the NTMLE is $14,104,000. 

Example:

If a team has a player with a $10 million salary injured, the DPE would be $5 million (half of $10 million) or $14,104,000 (the NTMLE), whichever is less. In this case, it would be $5 million. 

The most they would receive is 14.1 million.

As you were saying though, Its just an exception, like a trade exception or MLE, etc. This isn't a salary relief tool (from my understanding anyway). Getting this exception doesn't help you shed salary. Its a way you can add more salary for that single year. It functions as a signing exception for a 1 year deal or a trade exception for a player on the last year of his contract.

[Chuck Everett]

As you were saying though, Its just an exception, like a trade exception or MLE, etc. This isn't a salary relief tool (from my understanding anyway). Getting this exception doesn't help you shed salary. Its a way you can add more salary for that single year. It functions as a signing exception for a 1 year deal or a trade exception for a player on the last year of his contract.

Correct, it's not salary relief. You still need an owner willing to use this extra money that may take them into the tax or the aprons. Usually, we've seen vet minimums just to have an extra body in practice, but with 3-two way contracts on a roster, those days may be over.

[Letsgokings]

38% from 3, 50% from the floor, and positive defender / shot blocker is the least impressive player? Must be an amazing team

I mean it's easy to shoot 50% when you are only taking like 4 shots a game

He had like 10 shots a game though so?

Lol look at his fg percentage in the playoffs when he takes 10 shots lmao

[xBulletproof]

It's kind of wild reading Pacers fans reactions after getting off work, they're acting like the world is ending or something.

No, for us the world ended about 7 minutes into game 7.

The Myles thing is just .... meh. He's good, but he's not irreplaceable. He also comes with an immediate team weakness on the boards (unless you have a guy like Giannis). I always had to watch the possession game, it was kind of how you could measure if this team was going to play well. The Pacers didn't turn the ball over, so they kept up with possessions that way, but we lost out on rebounds so much that we sometimes struggled at getting the same # of looks at the rim as our opponent.

It could be an entirely differnt world if Haliburton comes back to a team that can rebound. We could not turn the ball over, and win the boards? Both? What a novel idea. Good lord we will get 15-20 more looks at the rim than the opponent

I'm not saying Myles isn't good, he is. However if there's a position you can cheap on in the NBA, I'd say it's the center position. None of what happened today is really that big to me.

We still have our MLE (which you can trade now, as well), trades and free agents. This front office has proven over the years they can put a team together, and they now have 2 offseasons to put together a team for Tyrese to return to.

[GiannisAnte34]

I mean it's easy to shoot 50% when you are only taking like 4 shots a game

He had like 10 shots a game though so?

Lol look at his fg percentage in the playoffs when he takes 10 shots lmao

You trolling? He shot at or above 50% 18x in the playoffs with at least 10 FGA

[Packbuckman]

My point isn’t moot.

They could’ve moved Giannis and recouped most of what they mortgaged, if not more.

And **** doing that you never trade a superstar player in his prime it was 50 years in between championships! I could care less we might suck when Giannis retires KPJ is a very talented player the only reason this is first chance to be a starting pg is not basketball related it’s off the court stuff which he has cleaned up and matured. Him and GTJ as our starting guards with AJ green and Harris off the bench is perfect with their shooting for Giannis

The fact you brought up KPJ AJ and GTJ as your saviours should tell you everything

They don’t have to be saviors like you think with Giannis they need to hit open shots our best lineup last year was KPJ GTJ AJ Green Portis Giannis it wasn’t with Dame who was a liability on D now we add Turner to this team we went from an old team to a lot younger team.

[ArksNetsSince99]

It's kind of wild reading Pacers fans reactions after getting off work, they're acting like the world is ending or something.

No, for us the world ended about 7 minutes into game 7.

The Myles thing is just .... meh. He's good, but he's not irreplaceable. He also comes with an immediate team weakness on the boards (unless you have a guy like Giannis). I always had to watch the possession game, it was kind of how you could measure if this team was going to play well. The Pacers didn't turn the ball over, so they kept up with possessions that way, but we lost out on rebounds so much that we sometimes struggled at getting the same # of looks at the rim as our opponent.

It could be an entirely differnt world if Haliburton comes back to a team that can rebound. We could not turn the ball over, and win the boards? Both? What a novel idea. Good lord we will get 15-20 more looks at the rim than the opponent

I'm not saying Myles isn't good, he is. However if there's a position you can cheap on in the NBA, I'd say it's the center position. None of what happened today is really that big to me.

We still have our MLE (which you can trade now, as well), trades and free agents. This front office has proven over the years they can put a team together, and they now have 2 offseasons to put together a team for Tyrese to return to.

It’s really not a big deal for the Pacers , it might even work out for the better in the long run

[xBulletproof]

I’m coming from the point that you can’t teach and miraculously acquire mental toughness, you can correct the shot , improve conditioning, improve a lot of physical aspects of the game

Mathurin is MENTAL MIDGET , he proved this over and over again EVERYTIME the games was on the line , it was like if u want to loose the game pass the ball to Mathurin or let him pass the ball , or let him guard and commit stupid foul , or even let him shoot the free throw and he will miss for you

I’m normally not that hard on young players but he just doesn’t have it , he might improve in every aspect of the game , mentally he is still Ben Simmons

I am definitely not a Mathurin stan, and one of my points of issue is that he didn't go to a normal high school. He went to an NBA Academy.

He has problems reading the game, he has issues with his handles and decision making. I could make a drinking game out of him driving into crowds praying for whistles, which is essentially a turnover often even if he's given a missed FG.

Back to the original point, for a guy who went to an NBA Academy for high school, Arizona for college ... do people think he *wasn't* working on these things? At some point it's not something you can learn, it's just something you can't do. 2 years at an NBA Academy, 2 years at Arizona, and 3 years in the NBA now. This isn't some kid from nowhere that didn't pick up a ball until college or something. He's had high level coaching for 7 years at minimum. Yet people are freaking out happy when he's making the most basic reads sometimes, or passing at all.

I've said this since the day we drafted him, I don't see him as much more than a bench scorer on a good team. The offensive hub and scoring leader? You're in trouble. Pacers fans all over keep telling me I'm wrong, but I have yet to see any consistency or proof of it.

[yoadknux]

It's kind of wild reading Pacers fans reactions after getting off work, they're acting like the world is ending or something.

No, for us the world ended about 7 minutes into game 7.

The Myles thing is just .... meh. He's good, but he's not irreplaceable. He also comes with an immediate team weakness on the boards (unless you have a guy like Giannis). I always had to watch the possession game, it was kind of how you could measure if this team was going to play well. The Pacers didn't turn the ball over, so they kept up with possessions that way, but we lost out on rebounds so much that we sometimes struggled at getting the same # of looks at the rim as our opponent.

It could be an entirely differnt world if Haliburton comes back to a team that can rebound. We could not turn the ball over, and win the boards? Both? What a novel idea. Good lord we will get 15-20 more looks at the rim than the opponent

I'm not saying Myles isn't good, he is. However if there's a position you can cheap on in the NBA, I'd say it's the center position. None of what happened today is really that big to me.

We still have our MLE (which you can trade now, as well), trades and free agents. This front office has proven over the years they can put a team together, and they now have 2 offseasons to put together a team for Tyrese to return to.

I don't know about other Pacers fans, but personally I'm upset because our poor/cheap owner is still unwilling to pay the luxury tax, which would forever put us at a disadvantage. It's not that they're actually gonna replace Turner with a better player, just with someone who fits the budget. Not even a Finals G7 moved the needle on that, and yes, I find it devastating that two starters from our Finals run aren't going to return next season.

[xBulletproof]

It's kind of wild reading Pacers fans reactions after getting off work, they're acting like the world is ending or something.

No, for us the world ended about 7 minutes into game 7.

The Myles thing is just .... meh. He's good, but he's not irreplaceable. He also comes with an immediate team weakness on the boards (unless you have a guy like Giannis). I always had to watch the possession game, it was kind of how you could measure if this team was going to play well. The Pacers didn't turn the ball over, so they kept up with possessions that way, but we lost out on rebounds so much that we sometimes struggled at getting the same # of looks at the rim as our opponent.

It could be an entirely differnt world if Haliburton comes back to a team that can rebound. We could not turn the ball over, and win the boards? Both? What a novel idea. Good lord we will get 15-20 more looks at the rim than the opponent

I'm not saying Myles isn't good, he is. However if there's a position you can cheap on in the NBA, I'd say it's the center position. None of what happened today is really that big to me.

We still have our MLE (which you can trade now, as well), trades and free agents. This front office has proven over the years they can put a team together, and they now have 2 offseasons to put together a team for Tyrese to return to.

I don't know about other Pacers fans, but personally I'm upset because our poor/cheap owner is still unwilling to pay the luxury tax, which would forever put us at a disadvantage. It's not that they're actually gonna replace Turner with a better player, just with someone who fits the budget. Not even a Finals G7 moved the needle on that, and yes, I find it devastating that two starters from our Finals run aren't going to return next season.

If Haliburton is healthy Turner is still here. No question.

When Durant tore his tendon in the finals, he missed the entire next season, and months of the season after that. They weren't going to pay the tax 2 years while not contending. The tax is enough, but the repeater tax is even worse. Tyrese wasn't even off the floor yet and I was telling friends that paying the tax is out of the question now. That was part of my logic for why I didn't even want to play Tyrese after he had the calf MRI. I knew it would take this team that could have been a 60 win team for the next 3 years or so, and flushed it. Which it did, it's over. 100% because they let him play when they shouldn't have.

I understand why we aren't paying the tax now. By the time we have a chance to compete again, we would already be repeat tax payers. We may have kept Turner and made another move to dump salary, but there just aren't any teams to dump any salary to at this point.

[YogurtProducer]

And **** doing that you never trade a superstar player in his prime it was 50 years in between championships! I could care less we might suck when Giannis retires KPJ is a very talented player the only reason this is first chance to be a starting pg is not basketball related it’s off the court stuff which he has cleaned up and matured. Him and GTJ as our starting guards with AJ green and Harris off the bench is perfect with their shooting for Giannis

The fact you brought up KPJ AJ and GTJ as your saviours should tell you everything

They don’t have to be saviors like you think with Giannis they need to hit open shots our best lineup last year was KPJ GTJ AJ Green Portis Giannis it wasn’t with Dame who was a liability on D now we add Turner to this team we went from an old team to a lot younger team.

If your best lineup has Bobby Portis as your 2nd best guy you’re not a serious team.

[Doranku]

It's kind of wild reading Pacers fans reactions after getting off work, they're acting like the world is ending or something.

No, for us the world ended about 7 minutes into game 7.

The Myles thing is just .... meh. He's good, but he's not irreplaceable. He also comes with an immediate team weakness on the boards (unless you have a guy like Giannis). I always had to watch the possession game, it was kind of how you could measure if this team was going to play well. The Pacers didn't turn the ball over, so they kept up with possessions that way, but we lost out on rebounds so much that we sometimes struggled at getting the same # of looks at the rim as our opponent.

It could be an entirely differnt world if Haliburton comes back to a team that can rebound. We could not turn the ball over, and win the boards? Both? What a novel idea. Good lord we will get 15-20 more looks at the rim than the opponent

I'm not saying Myles isn't good, he is. However if there's a position you can cheap on in the NBA, I'd say it's the center position. None of what happened today is really that big to me.

We still have our MLE (which you can trade now, as well), trades and free agents. This front office has proven over the years they can put a team together, and they now have 2 offseasons to put together a team for Tyrese to return to.

I'll say it if you won't: Myles Turner isn't good. Physically and mentally soft, one of the worst rebounders of all-time for his size. Bro couldn't hit the side of a barn in the finals. Brights were too light. I would not want Myles Turner on my team. He is going to look much worse without Hali getting him easy buckets. Do the Bucks even have a PG after waiving Dame? lol

[picc]

So KPJ is their perimeter gun?

[Packbuckman]

The fact you brought up KPJ AJ and GTJ as your saviours should tell you everything

They don’t have to be saviors like you think with Giannis they need to hit open shots our best lineup last year was KPJ GTJ AJ Green Portis Giannis it wasn’t with Dame who was a liability on D now we add Turner to this team we went from an old team to a lot younger team.

If your best lineup has Bobby Portis as your 2nd best guy you’re not a serious team.

Your a trolling for saying that it’s the defense and shooting as a group with Giannis who is playing point forward when dame went down. Now you have Turner in portis place with portis coming off the bench Lopez was let go because he struggled in that role last year. Giannis going to have a great season next year I can see 30-12-8 next year for him.

[picc]

Luka should sign with the Bucks next year. They're low key building the perfect team for him.

[Tetlak]

Luka should sign with the Bucks next year. They're low key building the perfect team for him.

For what, the MLE?