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The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens!

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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens! 

Post#341 » by NapoleonII » Wed Jul 2, 2025 2:05 am

Dr Manute wrote:
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dremill24 wrote:
Im pretty sure the Lakers are down to one 2nd :lol:

I agree. I’ll take it a step further. One first and one second.

The Los Angeles Lakers currently have three tradable first-round draft picks and one tradable second-round pick. Specifically, they can trade their 2029, 2030, and 2031 first-round picks, along with a 2025 second-round pick and a 2025 second-round pick acquired from the Clippers.


Future unprotected 1st. :D


Yup.

When it's Luka, Bronny and 39-year old Steph Curry (or whatever ancient star they get) holding down the fort.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens! 

Post#342 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 2:19 am

Dr Manute wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
dremill24 wrote:
Im pretty sure the Lakers are down to one 2nd :lol:

I agree. I’ll take it a step further. One first and one second.

The Los Angeles Lakers currently have three tradable first-round draft picks and one tradable second-round pick. Specifically, they can trade their 2029, 2030, and 2031 first-round picks, along with a 2025 second-round pick and a 2025 second-round pick acquired from the Clippers.


Future unprotected 1st. :D

You know what, I'll take Dalton Knecht, a 2030 pick swap and L.A.'s 2031 first-round pick
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens! 

Post#343 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Jul 2, 2025 2:22 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Dr Manute wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:I agree. I’ll take it a step further. One first and one second.

The Los Angeles Lakers currently have three tradable first-round draft picks and one tradable second-round pick. Specifically, they can trade their 2029, 2030, and 2031 first-round picks, along with a 2025 second-round pick and a 2025 second-round pick acquired from the Clippers.


Future unprotected 1st. :D

You know what, I'll take Dalton Knecht, a 2030 pick swap and L.A.'s 2031 first-round pick

Surprisingly I’ve seen some Lakers fans proposal the same thing.
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Post#344 » by BobbieL » Wed Jul 2, 2025 2:27 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Dr Manute wrote:
Future unprotected 1st. :D

You know what, I'll take Dalton Knecht, a 2030 pick swap and L.A.'s 2031 first-round pick

Surprisingly I’ve seen some Lakers fans proposal the same thing.


If the Lakers offered that - deal would be done

I doubt Richard’s gets a first but hold them hostage
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens! 

Post#345 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Jul 2, 2025 2:43 am

BobbieL wrote:
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lilfishi22 wrote:You know what, I'll take Dalton Knecht, a 2030 pick swap and L.A.'s 2031 first-round pick

Surprisingly I’ve seen some Lakers fans proposal the same thing.


If the Lakers offered that - deal would be done

I doubt Richard’s gets a first but hold them hostage


Read on Twitter


Lakers are looking all over the place for a center.
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Post#346 » by KLEON » Wed Jul 2, 2025 2:48 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
dremill24 wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:I'm scraping every 2nd round pick I can from LA for Richards.


Im pretty sure the Lakers are down to one 2nd :lol:

Damn it....

Get me that Dale Connect guy, sounds like a scrub

I don't know if you are joking but he's a sniper
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Post#347 » by garrick » Wed Jul 2, 2025 2:54 am

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Read on Twitter


I guess they don't want to deal with Ayton. Not a surprise.

It's probably more likely Ayton wants more money than Lakers could actually give him. I don't believe Lakers have anything more than the vet min to offer after using the MLE on LaRivia (never heard of the guy honestly)


LA actually needs a starting center and a backup one so this makes sense that they would get a bargain contract like Richards.

This doesn't rule them out from signing Ayton but it depends how much Ayton is willing to sign for as he can likely get a lot more elsewhere.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens! 

Post#348 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 3:10 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Dr Manute wrote:
Future unprotected 1st. :D

You know what, I'll take Dalton Knecht, a 2030 pick swap and L.A.'s 2031 first-round pick

Surprisingly I’ve seen some Lakers fans proposal the same thing.

Should've been green font just for clarity
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Post#349 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Jul 2, 2025 3:16 am

lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:You know what, I'll take Dalton Knecht, a 2030 pick swap and L.A.'s 2031 first-round pick

Surprisingly I’ve seen some Lakers fans proposal the same thing.

Should've been green font just for clarity

I know you were joking but some people were serious. Lol
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens! 

Post#350 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 3:28 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:
lilfishi22 wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:Surprisingly I’ve seen some Lakers fans proposal the same thing.

Should've been green font just for clarity

I know you were joking but some people were serious. Lol

I'd take it and run if it was a real offer. Hell, I'd take just one FRP
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Post#351 » by Sunsdeuce » Wed Jul 2, 2025 3:32 am

So I was reading Heat are desperate to get off Rozier. Also would like to get off Wiggins.

Wonder if Beal would like to live on the beach?
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Post#352 » by bullsaficianado » Wed Jul 2, 2025 4:51 am

Sunsdeuce wrote:So I was reading Heat are desperate to get off Rozier. Also would like to get off Wiggins.

Wonder if Beal would like to live on the beach?


They did not want Beal a few months ago and I doubt anything has changed. Yes he would likely waive his NTC to go to Miami because he idolizes Wade.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens! 

Post#353 » by Qwigglez » Wed Jul 2, 2025 5:12 am

bullsaficianado wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:So I was reading Heat are desperate to get off Rozier. Also would like to get off Wiggins.

Wonder if Beal would like to live on the beach?


They did not want Beal a few months ago and I doubt anything has changed. Yes he would likely waive his NTC to go to Miami because he idolizes Wade.


Rozier is so bad, and Wiggins doesn't have heart. I actually think I'd prefer Beal to be honest. Oh... and Rozier & Wiggins make more than Beal combined, so can't do that anyway.
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Re: The Official 2025 Offseason Thread #4 Free Agency Opens! 

Post#354 » by lilfishi22 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 5:30 am

Qwigglez wrote:
bullsaficianado wrote:
Sunsdeuce wrote:So I was reading Heat are desperate to get off Rozier. Also would like to get off Wiggins.

Wonder if Beal would like to live on the beach?


They did not want Beal a few months ago and I doubt anything has changed. Yes he would likely waive his NTC to go to Miami because he idolizes Wade.


Rozier is so bad, and Wiggins doesn't have heart. I actually think I'd prefer Beal to be honest. Oh... and Rozier & Wiggins make more than Beal combined, so can't do that anyway.

If we can get under the 2nd apron via a Grayson/Royce deal, we'll be able to aggregate salary then you just have to do Beal/Oso for Rozier/Wiggins.

I don't want to see Oso go but with his skill set, he can't really play the 4 which means he'll be behind Williams, Maluach and possibly Richards if he's still around. Those remaining minutes at the 5 might even got to Fleming. I just see Oso being pushed further back into the depth chart with all the recent moves and he's potentially redundant.
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Post#355 » by SkyBill40 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 6:41 am

I think Oso is better as a springy four than a thin five. He can play the middle in a smaller, quicker lineup... but I'd rather he use that at the power slot.
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Post#356 » by Saberestar » Wed Jul 2, 2025 8:12 am

Gambo said that we aren't interested in CP3 because we want Jalen Green and Booker as our starting backcourt and we want to give to Gillespie a big role as a primary backup.

The team believes in Gillespie and think that he can be our TJ McConnell.
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Post#357 » by ChuckS » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:29 am

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"Bogyo" already expressed much of my disagreement. I'll just say I think Udoka and Stone have done a great job thus far, and I do not see team talent as a problem they cannot resolve. Keep in mind that they lost two starters in the trade and most of the world knows that KD is an infinite improvement replacing one of them. The only position they have too much great depth in is center IMO. But I doubt either Adams or Capela will be unhappy. With the league need, Landale will probably be gone. Maybe they foresee a no layup policy.

My starters would be: Sengun at center, Smith at PF, KD at the three, Thompson at the two, and VanVleet at point. Eason started last year, but I see him as a super sub for KD and Smith, who will get big minutes. Ime might again start him instead of Jabari, but I like the biggest at the four. They both had nearly the same points and boards last year. And adding a great defender who can shoot like DFS gives them great forward depth. I will really enjoy watching that team next year.

It's been touched on already, but I think they could use more in the back court, at least another exceptional shooter and another point. It has not been necessary for OKC, but SGA has been unworldly.


You know the funny thing is that the Rockets might be better off (ie: a bit more balanced, less logjam-y at 3/4) if they havent r*ped us this bad on the KD trade, and gave us Jabari instead of Brooks. Brooks could have played even as a starting SG for this team, with good peremiter defense which they badly need, as FVV is trash, and KD as a 3 is too old to chase dudes. FVV/Brooks/KD/Eason/Sengun - Sheppard/Whitmore/Amen/DFS/Capella - Holiday/Tate/?/Green/Adams is better balanced than what they have now. Amen shot 27% last year from 3, so that's not gonna fly.


Amen is gonna be fine as SG.

FVV/Amen/KD/Jabari/Sengun is a great starting five they also have Eason for the KD injures that will happen.


I apologize for not getting back to a valid disagreement, but it was difficult for me to use advanced defensive stats which I think are too "noisy", to borrow a statistician's term. But they are all that I know we have. IMO the rockets are actually offensively and defensively stronger without Brooks and Green.

KD is better offensively and defensively than Jalen Green, in season and with 4th best all time playoff average. Amen doesn't shoot threes as well but averages 55.7% overall with the same scoring average as Brooks. He and Jabari both have better defensive ratings than Brooks (and Green) so, in theory, Houston should be even better defensively than their 4th place finish last year. Perhaps because I'm used to the Suns, but I think the Rockets are still a well balanced team. As I wrote previously, I just would recommend adding a good shooting guard to offset the loss of Green's back court points.
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Post#358 » by Saberestar » Wed Jul 2, 2025 11:48 am

Jalen Bridges:

Jun 29, 2025
Phoenix (PHX) declined Qualifying Offer; becomes an Unrestricted Free Agent.

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Post#359 » by Frank Lee » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:12 pm

Well, Vegas likes what Houston did, Denver as well as they moved up to 4th and 5th to win it all.
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I think a wager on Denver looks good at 9/1…. They still have Jokic and looks like they addressed issues. Nice off season for them.

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Post#360 » by Frank Lee » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:27 pm

Has Dillon Brooks issued a statement or been introduced? I wouldn’t be surprised if they are working a deal up for him. Outside of Book, he might be our most tradable asset.

There is just no way he is happy with this move. Think he was surly last yr???

He’ll be bolting 27-28 anyway as UFA. Like Beal, clearly not a long term piece. I highly doubt he makes it through the season as a Sun. If LilSparta wasn’t trying to force this no PG line up on us (the ol’ Lemons-Lemonade routine) may be we’d see Brooks for Smart or something of that nature. At least they are giving Gillespie a role. I’d wager we will have a better rating with him at the point.

Just not a fan of Point Book or Green. May be Green will surprise us, but Point Book is Pointless.
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