[Shams] Myles Turner signs with the Bucks (4-year, $107 million)

[xBulletproof]

It's kind of wild reading Pacers fans reactions after getting off work, they're acting like the world is ending or something.

No, for us the world ended about 7 minutes into game 7.

The Myles thing is just .... meh. He's good, but he's not irreplaceable. He also comes with an immediate team weakness on the boards (unless you have a guy like Giannis). I always had to watch the possession game, it was kind of how you could measure if this team was going to play well. The Pacers didn't turn the ball over, so they kept up with possessions that way, but we lost out on rebounds so much that we sometimes struggled at getting the same # of looks at the rim as our opponent.

It could be an entirely differnt world if Haliburton comes back to a team that can rebound. We could not turn the ball over, and win the boards? Both? What a novel idea. Good lord we will get 15-20 more looks at the rim than the opponent

I'm not saying Myles isn't good, he is. However if there's a position you can cheap on in the NBA, I'd say it's the center position. None of what happened today is really that big to me.

We still have our MLE (which you can trade now, as well), trades and free agents. This front office has proven over the years they can put a team together, and they now have 2 offseasons to put together a team for Tyrese to return to.

I'll say it if you won't: Myles Turner isn't good. Physically and mentally soft, one of the worst rebounders of all-time for his size. Bro couldn't hit the side of a barn in the finals. Brights were too light. I would not want Myles Turner on my team. He is going to look much worse without Hali getting him easy buckets. Do the Bucks even have a PG after waiving Dame? lol

He's abnormal. Which some people will default to "he isn't good". He doesn't do what most centers do, but he shot 40% from 3 this year. But Carlisle showed you can have a winner with him regardless. I don't know what happened in the finals, he shot ridiculously well the first 2 rounds of the playoffs (45% from 3). Just couldn't hit anything after, could just be law of averages.

I will say I'm curious to see if he can stay as efficient as he's been with Tyrese, I mean he wasn't before that. 38% with Tyrese, but 34-35% without. Don't feel like breaking it down to exacts, but it's in that range. He also averaged 12 PPG before Tyrese, and 17 PPG after. Bucks better hope that wasn't a reflection of Tyrese. It'll be interesting to see.

[JDR720]

I like the boldness of the Bucks going for this, but I'm not sure it makes them better. Isn't Myles basically Lopez? A bad rebounding shot blocking stretch 5? He's better than Brook is, but not significantly.

I think the better route would've been to sign 2-3 10m dollar players instead, get some depth and let Giannis do a carry job.

[MrGoat]

Maybe Ayton on MLE. Maybe play the young guys and mini-tank. It’s a lost season and we own our own pick.

All I want to definitely see next year is a ton of minutes for our top ten picks Mathurin and Walker. It’s the only silver lining of this situation. Let those guys play and let the chips fall where they may.

Ayton's probably going to the Lakers to get spoon fed free points by Luka in his contract year. Would've been a more realistic case to make to him if Hali didn't go down

We might be able to offer more money (they already spent part of their MLE right? We have the full amount)

It would be another decent Pacers reclamation project and we already signed Ayton once. I don’t exactly care though, they can start Obi Toppin at center for all I care this year is about Mathurin and Walker. Hell if we don’t get Ayton they should give Wiseman another shot he looked promising before his injury too.

Ayton was bought out meaning he'll make the same total money regardless unless a team was crazy enough to pay him more than the buyout amount, throwing more money at him would just reduce the amount of the buyout portion that the Blazers owe him. He'll likely sign a minimum with his new team for that reason, which is why the initial reaction to that buyout was a gift to the Lakers

[FarBeyondDriven]

Gotta hand it to Horst. He's made lemonade out of lemons. The Bucks now have the perfect complimentary big men for Giannis. With their other signings it should be enough to win a playoff series with in a weakened Eastern Conference.

[Daddy 801]

Bummer to see from an Indiana perspective. So few guys stay on a team for their entire career. Was hoping Turner could be one of them.

For the Bucks great pickup. Giannis should be happy about this.

Now why didn’t the Bucks just trade Dame to the Jazz for Sexton & Collins? As a Jazz fan I refuse to believe the Bucks weren’t willing to do it. It had to be the Jazz front office stopping that trade.

Because they couldn't have signed Turner if they did and Sexton and Collins are not very good.

Look at Collins vs Turner stats last season and get back to me. And I’m a big Turner fan.

[Diop]

Gotta hand it to Horst. He's made lemonade out of lemons. The Bucks now have the perfect complimentary big men for Giannis. With their other signings it should be enough to win a playoff series with in a weakened Eastern Conference.

really? they'd make a cool duo in NBA Jam, but as a team I don't see it.

is Porter Jr and Trent Jr going to pick up the scoring and creation? the year they won they had Middleton and Holiday doing a decent chunk.

You expect Giannis to do it himself, you encourage him to leave. no matter what "brave and risky" move the front office pulled off

[Diop]

Bummer to see from an Indiana perspective. So few guys stay on a team for their entire career. Was hoping Turner could be one of them.

For the Bucks great pickup. Giannis should be happy about this.

Now why didn’t the Bucks just trade Dame to the Jazz for Sexton & Collins? As a Jazz fan I refuse to believe the Bucks weren’t willing to do it. It had to be the Jazz front office stopping that trade.

how many 1st round picks would that cost them? they got Turner without having to pay any.

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[KGtabake]

I like the boldness of the Bucks going for this, but I'm not sure it makes them better. Isn't Myles basically Lopez? A bad rebounding shot blocking stretch 5? He's better than Brook is, but not significantly.

I think the better route would've been to sign 2-3 10m dollar players instead, get some depth and let Giannis do a carry job.

Lopez has never been a "bad" rebounder. Never.
He's been one of the most elite box out bigs of the decade. He always boxes out his man and gives his teammates the opportunity to grab the boards.
That doesn't show in box scores since there's no "box out" stat. If there was, your jaw would drop with the work he's been doing.

I dunno if Turner is that good, since i haven't watched him that much.

[SweetTouch]

Bucks just got raped

Gianni’s ended the franchise

[Marrs-Law]

Pacers perspective. Mad at no one. I assume the Pacers offered him a 3y deal of no more than 75, though I don't know for sure. When your options are 4/107 versus 3/70 or whatever, at his age, I understand taking the guaranteed 37 million more.

I also understand it from the Pacers' perspective, given that A. they have good reason to assume Mathurin will (affordably) re-sign and B. not wanting to go into the tax. With that said, if the offer was as low as something like 3/60 then I will be annoyed, but I doubt it was that bad.

Anyway, the future is a lot less bright than it was going into game 7. Assuming no trades, they need Mathurin to come back cheaply and continue to develop, which I assume they have confidence in. You'd maybe consider extending him now (before the breakout season, fingers crossed) but I don't know they have the money for that.

In addition, the Pascal/TJ championship window just seems less and less likely. 33? 34? Pascal will need to be near his prime at least when he is on the court, Hali will need to come back and be back to his level (which I'm not optimistic on the timeframe, seeing how long it took him to really recover from his hamstring), they'll need to figure out the five spot, and there probably needs to be a fair amount of internal development from Mathurin + others. That's a lot to ask to get back to the finals. There is merit to trading him to i.e Houston. Get a couple of picks, chose the right young talent. But it's just hard to get players of his caliber through trades or the draft or whatever, so I'm really unsure on that unless someone makes an offer they can't refuse.

On the Bucks. I hope Turner does well there; I am sure he will be much better than Lopez, so while I wouldn't be surprised if he slightly underperforms as he gets older/playing in a worse system (no disrespect), I don't think the five will be the biggest issue for y'all. Good defender overall, and I would think Giannis can take players (i.e KAT) he can't if worse comes to worst. Probably not as good a shooter as Lopez, but he should remain a competent stretch five. On the negative, he has rebounding issues and doesn't really assert himself on offense but, similar to the Pacers scheme, he should be a fine presence on the offensive side of the floor.

I don't hate the move for the Bucks; unfortunately, I think Dame's career is very close to over; even before the injury he just did not seem to be doing well offensively while being not a great defender. So while you're paying a lot I don't think they give up anything on-the-court. Unfortunately, I don't see any way for the Bucks to be contenders, though they may win a series (seeing as they're close to the same team as the five-seed last year). Probably not the end of the world, I assume y'all would rather watch Giannis play out his career (and maybe win a series or two), rather than go into rebuilding mode. Is it worth it to keep Giannis at the expense of not being contenders for at least a ?decade?, I don't know, but that seems to be the choice that is made.

[jbk1234]

I like the boldness of the Bucks going for this, but I'm not sure it makes them better. Isn't Myles basically Lopez? A bad rebounding shot blocking stretch 5? He's better than Brook is, but not significantly.

I think the better route would've been to sign 2-3 10m dollar players instead, get some depth and let Giannis do a carry job.

Myles Turner is significantly better than the 37 year old version of BroLo we saw last season. More importantly, Giannis really needs to play with a stretch 5 in the half court and there just aren't that many of them that are starting caliber.

[JayMKE]

Turner is about as ideal of a 5 next to Giannis as there can be, they compliment each other on both ends of the court like Brook did but with more ability to switch. Bucks front court is pretty set now with Portis and Sims returning, GTJ & KPJ returning for cheap will be very productive. Team is looking pretty decent with another move or two, get a back up PG and wing defender.

[BrianInPhilly]

Myles Turner is still very good. I'll say it - Casuals who just look at #'s drastically underrate his impact. Even when he's not scoring he is still so valuable and was super valuable to the Pacers in the Finals - Strong shot blocker, floor spacer, high basketball IQ. Those things are hard to find and those things make him impactful even when he's missing shots. He made life so much easier for everyone else on the Pacers offensively. When Bradley or a non-floor spacer was in the Pacers offense was much worse.

Pacers have just had a disaster last week & a half.

[djsunyc]

It's kind of wild reading Pacers fans reactions after getting off work, they're acting like the world is ending or something.

No, for us the world ended about 7 minutes into game 7.

The Myles thing is just .... meh. He's good, but he's not irreplaceable. He also comes with an immediate team weakness on the boards (unless you have a guy like Giannis). I always had to watch the possession game, it was kind of how you could measure if this team was going to play well. The Pacers didn't turn the ball over, so they kept up with possessions that way, but we lost out on rebounds so much that we sometimes struggled at getting the same # of looks at the rim as our opponent.

It could be an entirely differnt world if Haliburton comes back to a team that can rebound. We could not turn the ball over, and win the boards? Both? What a novel idea. Good lord we will get 15-20 more looks at the rim than the opponent

I'm not saying Myles isn't good, he is. However if there's a position you can cheap on in the NBA, I'd say it's the center position. None of what happened today is really that big to me.

We still have our MLE (which you can trade now, as well), trades and free agents. This front office has proven over the years they can put a team together, and they now have 2 offseasons to put together a team for Tyrese to return to.

emotionally, as a fan it would suck knowing your team is willing to just let players go purely for financial reasons.

on a basketball level, the pacers are basically at the cap in 26/27 if they waive all their cap holds. if you extend mathurin then you are over the cap that year. so the only way to add talent is via the MLE or trade 1 for multiple players. if you feel the MLE can get you a replacement for turner (not positionally but impact on the team i.e starter) then ok but it's a gamble.

[SirChurros]

Anyone who thinks this is a franchise-ending move for the Bucks is being extremely hyperbolic and insane.

[Myth]

Anyone who thinks this is a franchise-ending move for the Bucks is being extremely hyperbolic and insane.

I think it is a fine move, but I also don’t think it saves them. Having to stretch Dame is what hurts the most. Adding Turner is good on court, and hopefully Giannis is happy with him. But ultimately, Bucks are kind of paying Lillard’s contract and Turner’s for the next 4 years (Or is Lillard stretched for 5?). That becomes $217M for 4(+?) years to only have Turner. Though the alternative is $110M for 2 years of Lillard, much of which he won’t be playing). It is a damned if you do, damned if you don’t situation IMO.

[manlisten]

I like the boldness of the Bucks going for this, but I'm not sure it makes them better. Isn't Myles basically Lopez? A bad rebounding shot blocking stretch 5? He's better than Brook is, but not significantly.

I think the better route would've been to sign 2-3 10m dollar players instead, get some depth and let Giannis do a carry job.

Lopez has never been a "bad" rebounder. Never.
He's been one of the most elite box out bigs of the decade. He always boxes out his man and gives his teammates the opportunity to grab the boards.
That doesn't show in box scores since there's no "box out" stat. If there was, your jaw would drop with the work he's been doing.

I dunno if Turner is that good, since i haven't watched him that much.

There actually is a box out stat lol.

https://www.nba.com/stats/players/box-outs?PlayerPosition=C&dir=D&sort=BOX_OUTS

Clips now have one of the best box out duos in the league along with Houston and Denver.

[djsunyc]

Anyone who thinks this is a franchise-ending move for the Bucks is being extremely hyperbolic and insane.

don't you mean the soon to be vegas bucks?

really that would be a great name for them as the other meaning of bucks applies.

[ConSarnit]

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Just an absolute botch job by the Pacers.

Salary vs Percentage of Cap for Myles Turner

2021-22: $18m, 16%

2025-26: $25.5m, 16.5%

This new Turner contract is nearly the exact same contract relative to the cap he was making 3-4 years ago. That was considered a good deal. Even if the Pacers didn’t want Turner they could have just re-signed him and traded him for value (given the scarcity of 3+D centers). If they wanted to dodge the tax they could have traded Toppin.

This is bad business from a usually smart franchise.