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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#501 » by fallguy » Wed Jul 2, 2025 4:40 am

Curmudgeon wrote:Sabonis at $25M would be a bargain, just like Derrick White is a bargain. But Sabonis is now overpaid just like other "stars."

To win with this CBA you need one star and 4-5 solid citizens making 20-30M per, plus one or two underpaid guys like Pritchard.


Sure but do you have any thoughts about trading Jaylen Brown?
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#502 » by Curmudgeon » Wed Jul 2, 2025 4:50 am

I have lots of thoughts about trading Jaylen Brown but Stevens isn't going to do it so it's a waste of gray cells. But what the hell. I'll take Harrison Barnes and Stephon Castle from the Spurs. Saves over $20M in year one and lots more afterwards. But maybe the Spurs wouldn't do it.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#503 » by FlatearthZorro » Wed Jul 2, 2025 5:08 am

Curmudgeon wrote:I have lots of thoughts about trading Jaylen Brown but Stevens isn't going to do it so it's a waste of gray cells. But what the hell. I'll take Harrison Barnes and Stephon Castle from the Spurs. Saves over $20M in year one and lots more afterwards. But maybe the Spurs wouldn't do it.


Again, you'd have to ask for way more. We were offered #9 by the Jazz?(or was it 8) And we were offered similar pick - Toronto for White. We aren't looking to rebuild.
Good assessment:

PLO wrote:Tatum played OK - took advantage of a few mismatches - decent on the defensive end. He is what we thought he was going into the season - a technically very proficient player operating close to his career ceiling as a rookie.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#504 » by BillessuR6 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 7:12 am

Any chance we waive and stretch Simons? He is making 27 mio, so stretching him would be 5,5 mio per year... That gets us under the luxuray tax, right?
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#505 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 7:15 am

BillessuR6 wrote:Any chance we waive and stretch Simons? He is making 27 mio, so stretching him would be 5,5 mio per year... That gets us under the luxuray tax, right?

Why do that to an expiring contract?

Celtics have 2 supermax guys on the roster.
5.5m per year is a big deal for this roster.

Cs have until Feb. 2026 to trade Simons.

What's the rush?
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Post#506 » by BillessuR6 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 7:57 am

Fierce1 wrote:
BillessuR6 wrote:Any chance we waive and stretch Simons? He is making 27 mio, so stretching him would be 5,5 mio per year... That gets us under the luxuray tax, right?

Why do that to an expiring contract?

Celtics have 2 supermax guys on the roster.
5.5m per year is a big deal for this roster.

Cs have until Feb. 2026 to trade Simons.

What's the rush?


I am not saying we should do it. But if Brad wants to get out of tax completely cap space is scarce... I guess breaking Simons into smaller contracts and then trading them into TPEs is another way to achieve that...
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#507 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:01 am

BillessuR6 wrote:
Fierce1 wrote:
BillessuR6 wrote:Any chance we waive and stretch Simons? He is making 27 mio, so stretching him would be 5,5 mio per year... That gets us under the luxuray tax, right?

Why do that to an expiring contract?

Celtics have 2 supermax guys on the roster.
5.5m per year is a big deal for this roster.

Cs have until Feb. 2026 to trade Simons.

What's the rush?


I am not saying we should do it. But if Brad wants to get out of tax completely cap space is scarce... I guess breaking Simons into smaller contracts and then trading them into TPEs is another way to achieve that...

Yeah, just trade him for 2 or 3 smaller contracts.

But no rush doing that because I think he can do what Kemba Walker did for the Cs in 2019-20.
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Post#508 » by VeryMuchWoke » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:15 am

Curmudgeon wrote:I have lots of thoughts about trading Jaylen Brown but Stevens isn't going to do it so it's a waste of gray cells. But what the hell. I'll take Harrison Barnes and Stephon Castle from the Spurs. Saves over $20M in year one and lots more afterwards. But maybe the Spurs wouldn't do it.


That's slightly better than your Pierce for Darius Miles and Sebastian Telfair trade. It's nice to see you're improving, even at your advanced age.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#509 » by phincsfan » Wed Jul 2, 2025 9:44 am

fallguy wrote:Michael Pina (on the Off the Pike pod) suggests, probably fairly, that JB and DW will be aggressively load-managed this year.


I can see that and Simons playing a ton all the way up to the deadline. :wink:
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#510 » by chrisab123 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 10:23 am

VeryMuchWoke wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:I have lots of thoughts about trading Jaylen Brown but Stevens isn't going to do it so it's a waste of gray cells. But what the hell. I'll take Harrison Barnes and Stephon Castle from the Spurs. Saves over $20M in year one and lots more afterwards. But maybe the Spurs wouldn't do it.


That's slightly better than your Pierce for Darius Miles and Sebastian Telfair trade. It's nice to see you're improving, even at your advanced age.


Tbh if you’re getting the Rucker Park version of bassy that’s equivalent to Hoodie Melo. Telfairs game never translated to the NBA.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#511 » by phincsfan » Wed Jul 2, 2025 10:54 am

chrisab123 wrote:
VeryMuchWoke wrote:
Curmudgeon wrote:I have lots of thoughts about trading Jaylen Brown but Stevens isn't going to do it so it's a waste of gray cells. But what the hell. I'll take Harrison Barnes and Stephon Castle from the Spurs. Saves over $20M in year one and lots more afterwards. But maybe the Spurs wouldn't do it.


That's slightly better than your Pierce for Darius Miles and Sebastian Telfair trade. It's nice to see you're improving, even at your advanced age.


Tbh if you’re getting the Rucker Park version of bassy that’s equivalent to Hoodie Melo. Telfairs game never translated to the NBA.


I coached in nyc when Telfair was in high school. He was the real deal. Pitino and college would have taken his game to a much needed level in order to succeed in the NBA. No bs, he had it all, shooting, passing, fast, good iq and he was a dawg. I always heard his family had lots of control.

He threw a bang bang no look alley oop from his free throw line to the kid Boateng in the playoffs.
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Post#512 » by winsomme2 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 11:11 am

I don't see any reason not to sign Big Al. It wouldn't affect flexibility because we have until midseason to move contracts like Simons and Niang in order to get below the second apron, and it would actually INCREASE flexibility in terms of Tatum where we could stay competitive while we see how his rehab goes. and if it looks like he could come back this season, we could actually not lose a whole season of JBs prime by going for it in a wide open EC.

This idea being put forth by Chris Forsberg that the team should concede not only this season but next season as well is super scary because it probably means that he is hearing that from the team itself.

How could we concede two years of JT and JB in their prime just to avoid the repeater tax. It is so hard to get players like JT and JB. We've been handed this window of legit championship runs and we are hearing rumblings that we might just ride it out for a couple years. Super Scary.

There is no reason to concede even next year yet. The EC is so weak and the second apron penalties don't even kick in until midseason. Signing Big Al does not impede the flexibility that Brad is saying is the priority and it keeps the possibility of a championship run next year alive.

You might say that JT has no chance of coming back next season but none of us actually knows one way or the other at this point. And not signing Big Al doesn't even accomplish anything in terms of increasing our flexibility. It actually decreases it.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#513 » by winsomme2 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 11:36 am

DWhite/PP
Simons/Scheierman/Hugo
JB/Minott
Hauser/Niang
Big AL/Garza

That is a top 4 EC team. If Tatum's rehab goes well, we could easily make a run next year. I really don't see any downside to signing Big Al.
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Post#514 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 11:44 am

https://hoopshype.com/rumor/3733279/
Forsberg shared his take on the Minott signing during Tuesday’s Early Edition. “First off, dude has an elite nickname. He’s the ‘lawn mower,’ because he is relentless with his energy, and I think we’re seeing a theme here with the guys that the Celtics are bringing in, whether it’s draft or through free agency. Cutters, energy, younger guys that just bring some tenacity to the floor. They also have some versatility. Minott’s got a great leap, he’s got a decent 3-point shot.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#515 » by Fierce1 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 11:49 am

Finally the Cs are getting it.

Cs keep jacking up 3s because the players they have are 3-point shooters.

Sam Hauser can't drive to the basket and finish on fast breaks.

Brad getting energy guys who can cut and do other things, on offense, will make the Celtic offense more diverse.
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#516 » by chrisab123 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 11:50 am

winsomme2 wrote:I don't see any reason not to sign Big Al. It wouldn't affect flexibility because we have until midseason to move contracts like Simons and Niang in order to get below the second apron, and it would actually INCREASE flexibility in terms of Tatum where we could stay competitive while we see how his rehab goes. and if it looks like he could come back this season, we could actually not lose a whole season of JBs prime by going for it in a wide open EC.

This idea being put forth by Chris Forsberg that the team should concede not only this season but next season as well is super scary because it probably means that he is hearing that from the team itself.

How could we concede two years of JT and JB in their prime just to avoid the repeater tax. It is so hard to get players like JT and JB. We've been handed this window of legit championship runs and we are hearing rumblings that we might just ride it out for a couple years. Super Scary.

There is no reason to concede even next year yet. The EC is so weak and the second apron penalties don't even kick in until midseason. Signing Big Al does not impede the flexibility that Brad is saying is the priority and it keeps the possibility of a championship run next year alive.

You might say that JT has no chance of coming back next season but none of us actually knows one way or the other at this point. And not signing Big Al doesn't even accomplish anything in terms of increasing our flexibility. It actually decreases it.


You could concede 2 years of Tatum and Brown because computers and video games tell you that tanking always works and then by the time they’re on their back end the Celtics could have two young guys who might be as good as them and Tatum and Brown can then become role players! Or trade them both and replace them with a longer tank and then build a super team until they get too expensive then rinse repeat! You could even trade old Jaylen Brown for assets including a pick that could turn into Jaylen Brown!!! Wouldn’t that be exciting? Plus you get to watch his development and you get to watch the team lose but learn together. Celtics culture will get them through a string of 45 loss seasons. It will be so much different than in the 90s and early 2000s. Everyone will want to join the Boston Celtics! Yay!
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#517 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jul 2, 2025 11:51 am

winsomme2 wrote:DWhite/PP
Simons/Scheierman/Hugo
JB/Minott
Hauser/Niang
Big AL/Garza

That is a top 4 EC team. If Tatum's rehab goes well, we could easily make a run next year. I really don't see any downside to signing Big Al.



Like **** it is. lololololol

dude....


:lol:
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Post#518 » by winsomme2 » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:05 pm

Larry_Russell wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:DWhite/PP
Simons/Scheierman/Hugo
JB/Minott
Hauser/Niang
Big AL/Garza

That is a top 4 EC team. If Tatum's rehab goes well, we could easily make a run next year. I really don't see any downside to signing Big Al.



Like **** it is. lololololol

dude....


:lol:


Who's better?

If we signed Big Al, what is your EC rankings?
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Post#519 » by 165bows » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:06 pm

15 roster spots taken however already unfortunately
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Re: Holy Offseason I Can’t Believe it’s July FA/Trade Thread 

Post#520 » by Larry_Russell » Wed Jul 2, 2025 12:26 pm

winsomme2 wrote:
Larry_Russell wrote:
winsomme2 wrote:DWhite/PP
Simons/Scheierman/Hugo
JB/Minott
Hauser/Niang
Big AL/Garza

That is a top 4 EC team. If Tatum's rehab goes well, we could easily make a run next year. I really don't see any downside to signing Big Al.



Like **** it is. lololololol

dude....


:lol:


Who's better?



seriously????


Cavs are better
Orlando is better
Knicks are better
Hawks are better
Raptors are better

Pistons are maybe better with their continued growth depending on how they deal with the beasley situation
Philly if Embiid is healthy is better

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