2025 Offseason Thread Vol.4

[MiamiLoyal926]

Source?

CBS Yahoo and AI all back up what I said.

Yeah, when contracts are stretched, it's over 5 years.

Turner is eight years younger than Lopez, but their numbers last season were virtually identical. And Turner is now making three times as much money -- and that's before you factor in the more than $22 million in roster charges that will now be on Milwaukee's books over the next five seasons because of the decision to waive and stretch Lillard's deal.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/45636299/nba-free-agency-2025-ripple-effects-myles-turner-damian-lillard-news

I'm pretty surprised as a lawyer that they let the Bucks spread the payments to Dame as well over those 5 years based on what I've read. That seems crazy to me that they can just be your getting paid in 5 instead of 2 when that money was already agreed to but I guess it's a CBA thing?

It’s how the money hits the books that differs. Dame still gets his $$$ over the next two years from my understanding. The waive and stretch just allows the Bucks to spread out the impact of his contract over 5 years.

[HeatFan_NC]

Good for Duncan, I def didnt hate him like some, but it was cool to watch his rise.

Im not sure if Wiggins is the right fit, but if you can use him and Rozier for Derozan, I think you pull the trigger.

Heat need another scorer in the worst way.

If the Heat get Lillards then Wiggins will fit

If I were Dame I would go to GSW. I think he grew up in that area. He wanted to play with Jimmy a couple years ago when we failed to trade for him, right? This is his opportunity to achieve that.

[MHeat0279]

It's just my frigging luck when the time finally comes for us to FINALLY go full youth movement suddenly a washed up Whale appears on south beach...

He's barley breathing and could probably never swim right again but we just can't help ourselves..
We've GOT TO GO GET THAT WHALE....


**** my life

For the RIGHT price we should get him here. He might have enough in the tank to help us out.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[greg4012]

Having a high flyer would help the offense. Attack the rim and hit 3s is the name of the game. Whitmore does that well.

As long as no one expects the ball back once it's in his hands.

Haha that’s true but the same could be said for Kuminga, they both need an ego check in the worst way. Both definitely have good tools to work with and become great players if all goes well but they need to learn how to play the right way.

Correct--black holes rarely turn into the magical offensive additions people hope for them to grow into.

The bolded could be a copy-paste about Michael Beasley applicable at ANY point in his career.

[Kobewade11]

If anyone is interested in their combine measurements

Cam measured 6'5 without shoes, 6'8.5 wingspan
Kuminga measured 6'7 without shoes and 6'11 wingspan

Jaime for reference measured 6'6 without shoes and 6'9.5 wingspan

[MiamiLoyal926]

If anyone is interested in their combine measurements

Cam measured 6'5 without shoes, 6'8.5 wingspan
Kuminga measured 6'7 without shoes and 6'11 wingspan

Jaime for reference measured 6'6 without shoes and 6'9.5 wingspan

Jaime it is!!! Say hello to our new starter at the 3!

[3ballbomber]

I mean do you disagree? Or were you not following the team back then? I don’t think you were

I’ve been following since 03 but sure, hop on that same dumbass “Bam Stan” shtick everyone else does because I defend the franchises best and most important player, it’ll get you some clout for sure.

Several teams have bottomed out and are right back in the mix with much better futures in a much quicker time frame than stuff that happened to us over a decade ago. Those are just excuses

I didn’t mention your Bam fandom once.

I don’t think you understand what bottoming out looks like. But you’ve never watched long stretches of basketball with your favorite team outside of championship contention before. Hopefully you never have to.

But if you became a Heat fan in 03 yes you’ve been immensely spoiled

[Dmcdani6]

If anyone is interested in their combine measurements

Cam measured 6'5 without shoes, 6'8.5 wingspan
Kuminga measured 6'7 without shoes and 6'11 wingspan

Jaime for reference measured 6'6 without shoes and 6'9.5 wingspan

Not sold on Kuminga, he does attack the paint well but hes a bonehead. According to basketball reference, he finishes 74% at the rim. But, anywhere else is Basura. I get why, he puts pressure on the rim. Just not worth the price.

Yall dont want to pay Drob because hes a specialist, but thats what Kuminga is too.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Yall have at it though, I’m not going to go back and forth with 8 different people on why the front office isn’t good anymore.

Shoutout to lilseb for coming in and speaking straight up facts. I’d tell you to tread lightly with critiquing the front office but when 3ball wakes up ANYONE else who has been critical of the front office today will be ignored and I’ll be singled out with a bunch of culture/organization/Bam stan this and that nonsense and everyone else will be home free. Rinse and repeat

Rinse and repeat lol.

[Kobewade11]

If anyone is interested in their combine measurements

Cam measured 6'5 without shoes, 6'8.5 wingspan
Kuminga measured 6'7 without shoes and 6'11 wingspan

Jaime for reference measured 6'6 without shoes and 6'9.5 wingspan

Not sold on Kuminga, he does attack the paint well but hes a bonehead. According to basketball reference, he finishes 74% at the rim. But, anywhere else is Basura. I get why, he puts pressure on the rim. Just not worth the price.

Yall dont want to pay Drob because hes a specialist, but thats what Kuminga is too.

For me its more the excitement/unknown factor. I dont look at Kuminga (or anyone else being discussed) as a savior, but we're obviously a team that could use a jolt so why not roll the dice for cheap. We can call them both specialists, but Duncan would never have lead the Warriors team in scoring against the Timberwolves in the playoffs.

[Johnny Fontane]

Wouldn’t be the worst thing if you can find a way to swap Rozier expiring for Derozan without giving up any additional assets. That team probably good enough for *at worst the 4 seed next year

[contract]

Our legit scouts know the players on their radar since high school - their work ethic, attitude, and skill set. So they must see something in Kuminga that we casual fans might not fully recognize.

They probably view him as a low-risk, high-reward project. He's incredibly athletic and could develop well under our coaching staff with the right fundamental training.

Personally, I'm intrigued and open to a reasonable deal. We lack a POA attacker who can pressure the paint outside of Herro, and Kuminga could definitely help fill that gap.

We don't need a POA guy, we need a star player to build around. Treadmill team is something that sometimes happens to you, but should never be the goal.

[batterybro42]

No I do you just want to be dense and delusional as usual and now you want to be a smartass. I love how you conveniently keep leaving out OKC and my point still stands in Houston.

How many teams attempted what OKC did and have it not work out?

I’m just curious what you wanted Miami to do? Tank? For 3-4 years hope they get lucky?

Is that what you’re complaining about?

In your mind after going to the finals in 23 was it time to trade Butler, Herro etc and stockpile assets? Or how about in 22 after we came a wide open 3 PT shot from Butler from going to the Finals? I’m curious to know when the time for the Heat to tank was or the big asset they could have traded away for picks, considering the two biggest trade pieces before Herro, Bam and Butler left for nothing or had a career ending medical situation.

You don’t even know what you’re arguing

You think I’m critical of the front office for never tanking?

Idk seems to be some moveable goal post that you can apply as you see fit in the moment.

And yes I do since you seem to compare our front office to teams who deliberately tanked for multiple years to acquire assets, and you believe the Houston Rockets are model NBA organization.

A few year ago the Jazz traded Gobert and Mitchel it would be a lot like us trading Bam and Herro and they blew up their team. How did that work? Are the Jazz looking like contenders here soon?

A fair criticism of the front office was not moving Butler before last year. These are specific things to point to, but this narrative that we are some mismanaged mess is ridiculous.

[greg4012]

If anyone is interested in their combine measurements

Cam measured 6'5 without shoes, 6'8.5 wingspan
Kuminga measured 6'7 without shoes and 6'11 wingspan

Jaime for reference measured 6'6 without shoes and 6'9.5 wingspan

Not sold on Kuminga, he does attack the paint well but hes a bonehead. According to basketball reference, he finishes 74% at the rim. But, anywhere else is Basura. I get why, he puts pressure on the rim. Just not worth the price.

Yall dont want to pay Drob because hes a specialist, but thats what Kuminga is too.

He seems to do his best offensive work when he's playing as a PF and smallball C. One of the big concerns with Kuminga is his lack of perimeter game. Tough to get too excited about an upside gamble (with a presumably hefty price tag) that doesn't complement the games of Bam and Ware.

[contract]

3 options.

A. Have a player on a 19.8M expiring deal
B. Have 9.8M in dead money
C. Have a player on an 8M expiring deal


Org chose C.

No.

A. Duncan opts out of his contract and we have $0 on our cap
B. We sign & trade him for a guy making $8 million and change

We chose B. We now have one more overpaid player on our roster for no reason whatsoever.

Duncan did not opt out to test the market. His agent knew they had a willing taker that would extend him. They approached the Heat to see if they were willing to play ball, opted out and the move was made.

You don’t opt out of 20M in the hopes that your previous employer will want to make a trade so you can sign a 3yr/48M dollar deal.

You don't have to agree to take back garbage to move Duncan. We could have told the Pistons to find another landing spot for Fontecchio.

[MiamiLoyal926]

There are varying levels of critique one can offer for the FO. The extremes is what gets many of us 3ammy. Just saying buddy… there are gray areas in the middle. If you take a moment, you could see that many of the decisions or non-decisions made, there was logic and rationale that led to that decision by the FO. No need to react in such extremes! We have a great management team on the Heat! Somewhat timid the last few years, sure, but the times they were not, the outcome was not to our liking anyways (Rozier). In others, it worked out great! (Dame). Then you have a bunch of in-between stuff where arguments can be made for or against them. Despite all that, I still would not trade our FO for any other in the league!!

[greg4012]

No.

A. Duncan opts out of his contract and we have $0 on our cap
B. We sign & trade him for a guy making $8 million and change

We chose B. We now have one more overpaid player on our roster for no reason whatsoever.

Duncan did not opt out to test the market. His agent knew they had a willing taker that would extend him. They approached the Heat to see if they were willing to play ball, opted out and the move was made.

You don’t opt out of 20M in the hopes that your previous employer will want to make a trade so you can sign a 3yr/48M dollar deal.

You don't have to agree to take back garbage to move Duncan. We could have told the Pistons to find another landing spot for Fontecchio.

If you think Duncan opted out without assurance and plan in coordination with Miami FO, then I have a new crypto coin I'd like to sell you.

[batterybro42]

Duncan did not opt out to test the market. His agent knew they had a willing taker that would extend him. They approached the Heat to see if they were willing to play ball, opted out and the move was made.

You don’t opt out of 20M in the hopes that your previous employer will want to make a trade so you can sign a 3yr/48M dollar deal.

You don't have to agree to take back garbage to move Duncan. We could have told the Pistons to find another landing spot for Fontecchio.

If you think Duncan opted out without assurance and plan in coordination with Miami FO, then I have a new crypto coin I'd like to sell you.

This

[marson]

Our legit scouts know the players on their radar since high school - their work ethic, attitude, and skill set. So they must see something in Kuminga that we casual fans might not fully recognize.

They probably view him as a low-risk, high-reward project. He's incredibly athletic and could develop well under our coaching staff with the right fundamental training.

Personally, I'm intrigued and open to a reasonable deal. We lack a POA attacker who can pressure the paint outside of Herro, and Kuminga could definitely help fill that gap.

We don't need a POA guy, we need a star player to build around. Treadmill team is something that sometimes happens to you, but should never be the goal.

Can you share and lend some ideas on how to get a star?