Shams: Jordan Clarkson expected to sign with Knicks

[KnicksGadfly]

If by personal attacks u mean stating the obvious, ok sure, and my point was incredibly obvious.


Lets play a game... who said this?

"A player can be bad at one price and good at another." "I dunno if Ayton would want to be here though."

Surely not the guy that is hating on the guy that consistently has been one of the best scorers in the NBA from the bench in the last years signing with the Knicks for the vet minimum, right? Theres no chance.

I don't know about your Ayton point and what you mean here, but I would rather have Ayton than Clarkson, no problem. I would 100% bring Ayton on this team over Clarkson and give him all of Clarkson's shots. Feel free to elaborate.

Now about Clarkson, he's the type of player who can be a negative, which is why he's on that minimum contract. Can't play defense, not particularly good at putting the ball in the hoop when he chucks, a pretty big turnover machine. If he's not hitting his shots, which happens a lot, what is he actually doing?

You keep calling him one of the best scorers in the NBA from the bench, and you all just keep referencing his totals...that shat would have flown maybe 20, 30 years ago. when Isiah Thomas was thirsting after dudes like Mo Taylor and Antoine Walker. He's not one of the best scorers from the bench...he's very good at putting up and missing a ton of shots though. That's why he's on a minimum.

oh yeah Ayton side by side with Kat would have been formidable! Hear that Boston? Formidable!

lol, I would totally take Ayton on this team on a good contract. One hundred better than Clarkson. He would be a better bench player than Clarkson too.

Man, for someone who has been one of the best scorers off the bench the past few years, it's pretty weird when I see these articles from Utah Jazz fans who know him best:

Clarkson has been in trade rumors for 2+ years now and he’s well past his due date as a Jazzman. He’s a 31 year old 6th man on a team going through a youth movement. That would be fine if he was a great role model or mentor for the young guys on the roster. He may be worth keeping around if he were helping put his teammates in a position to succeed. The price tag might be worth it if he could actually put the ball in the hoop with any sort of efficient regularity.

But it’s just not happening.

Unfortunately, multiple times the Jazz have had probable opportunities to trade Clarkson at good value and multiple times he was kept on the roster. Now the Utah Jazz are stuck with a Jordan Clarkson problem.

...

I could somewhat understand the front office’s decision to bring Jordan back last offseason. They didn’t want to lose what they saw as a positive asset for nothing. Plus, they front loaded his contract, which goes from $23.5 million this year to $14 million for the next 2 years, which is under 10% of the league cap. And yet, with the way he’s played, it’s unlikely he’s a positive asset ever again.

Among the 83 players with at least 12 FGA per game, Jordan Clarkson ranks 82nd in true shooting percentage
Among the 94 players with at least 30 MPG, he ranks 86th in Defensive Rating
Among the 134 players shooting at least 4.5 3’s per game, JC ranks 132nd at 29.5%
Among the 135 players with at least 1,100 minutes played, Clarkson ranks 120th in LeBron. Most of the players worse than him are 25 years or younger.
52.2% of his shots are after 3+ dribbles (15.1% are after 7+ dribbles!). 50.4% of his shots are against tight or very tight defense. He touches the ball for 6+ seconds 23% of the time!
Jordan Clarkson ranks in the 36.8th percentile as a pick and roll ball handler and the 25.8th percentile as a spot up shooter
On defense, Jordan Clarkson ranks in the 39.1 percentile in isolation, 32.1 percentile in the pick and roll, and 11.3 percentile against a spot up shooter

No matter how you spin it, he’s just bad this year. And his on court attitude can be even worse at times. Like the team leading 36 minutes in last night’s loss to Orlando? A game where he scored just 5 points on 10 shots. His demeanor is of someone who is clearly done. That’s just one game you say? Ok well over the last 11 games he’s playing almost 32 minutes a night, shooting the ball nearly 13 times a game, and is shooting just 36% from the field and 28% from 3, oh and he’s an average of -5.2 per game over that span. It’s pretty hard to win games or develop young talent with heavy minutes going towards that kind of production.

https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/3/1/24087662/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-nba-offseason

March 2024...he was definitely a trash player for the Jazz. You can't call this one of the "best bench scorers" in the game.

[Enzo954]

I don't know about your Ayton point and what you mean here, but I would rather have Ayton than Clarkson, no problem. I would 100% bring Ayton on this team over Clarkson and give him all of Clarkson's shots. Feel free to elaborate.

Now about Clarkson, he's the type of player who can be a negative, which is why he's on that minimum contract. Can't play defense, not particularly good at putting the ball in the hoop when he chucks, a pretty big turnover machine. If he's not hitting his shots, which happens a lot, what is he actually doing?

You keep calling him one of the best scorers in the NBA from the bench, and you all just keep referencing his totals...that shat would have flown maybe 20, 30 years ago. when Isiah Thomas was thirsting after dudes like Mo Taylor and Antoine Walker. He's not one of the best scorers from the bench...he's very good at putting up and missing a ton of shots though. That's why he's on a minimum.

oh yeah Ayton side by side with Kat would have been formidable! Hear that Boston? Formidable!

lol, I would totally take Ayton on this team on a good contract. One hundred better than Clarkson. He would be a better bench player than Clarkson too.

Man, for someone who has been one of the best scorers off the bench the past few years, it's pretty weird when I see these articles from Utah Jazz fans who know him best:

Clarkson has been in trade rumors for 2+ years now and he’s well past his due date as a Jazzman. He’s a 31 year old 6th man on a team going through a youth movement. That would be fine if he was a great role model or mentor for the young guys on the roster. He may be worth keeping around if he were helping put his teammates in a position to succeed. The price tag might be worth it if he could actually put the ball in the hoop with any sort of efficient regularity.

But it’s just not happening.

Unfortunately, multiple times the Jazz have had probable opportunities to trade Clarkson at good value and multiple times he was kept on the roster. Now the Utah Jazz are stuck with a Jordan Clarkson problem.

...

I could somewhat understand the front office’s decision to bring Jordan back last offseason. They didn’t want to lose what they saw as a positive asset for nothing. Plus, they front loaded his contract, which goes from $23.5 million this year to $14 million for the next 2 years, which is under 10% of the league cap. And yet, with the way he’s played, it’s unlikely he’s a positive asset ever again.

Among the 83 players with at least 12 FGA per game, Jordan Clarkson ranks 82nd in true shooting percentage
Among the 94 players with at least 30 MPG, he ranks 86th in Defensive Rating
Among the 134 players shooting at least 4.5 3’s per game, JC ranks 132nd at 29.5%
Among the 135 players with at least 1,100 minutes played, Clarkson ranks 120th in LeBron. Most of the players worse than him are 25 years or younger.
52.2% of his shots are after 3+ dribbles (15.1% are after 7+ dribbles!). 50.4% of his shots are against tight or very tight defense. He touches the ball for 6+ seconds 23% of the time!
Jordan Clarkson ranks in the 36.8th percentile as a pick and roll ball handler and the 25.8th percentile as a spot up shooter
On defense, Jordan Clarkson ranks in the 39.1 percentile in isolation, 32.1 percentile in the pick and roll, and 11.3 percentile against a spot up shooter

No matter how you spin it, he’s just bad this year. And his on court attitude can be even worse at times. Like the team leading 36 minutes in last night’s loss to Orlando? A game where he scored just 5 points on 10 shots. His demeanor is of someone who is clearly done. That’s just one game you say? Ok well over the last 11 games he’s playing almost 32 minutes a night, shooting the ball nearly 13 times a game, and is shooting just 36% from the field and 28% from 3, oh and he’s an average of -5.2 per game over that span. It’s pretty hard to win games or develop young talent with heavy minutes going towards that kind of production.

https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/3/1/24087662/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-nba-offseason

March 2024...he was definitely a trash player for the Jazz. You can't call this one of the "best bench scorers" in the game.

Are you done yet? You just keep posting negative crap about this guy. He's here whether you like it or not so why not support our current player and cut it out already.

[8516knicks]

I could see Thibs liking Yabuselle but Clarkson? Doubtful.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Hate the move. Hate the player. The only hope I can see if that he's been mailing it in for Utah and a smaller role on a much better team may help him play better. Better being the operative word. His best isn't very good either.

I really hate this move 110%. Probably the worst move they have made since Cam or washed Kemba.

That said, welcome to the Knicks jerk off. You better be worth the money!! I'm rooting for ya even though I think this was a terrible move.

[Moose]

Hate the move. Hate the player. The only hope I can see if that he's been mailing it in for Utah and a smaller role on a much better team may help him play better. Better being the operative word. His best isn't very good either.

I really hate this move 110%. Probably the worst move they have made since Cam or washed Kemba.

That said, welcome to the Knicks jerk off. You better be worth the money!! I'm rooting for ya even though I think this was a terrible move.

I don't like him as a player either, but I'm not sure there was another combo guard we could get for the vet min that is better?

This should push McBride to the starting lineup and send Hart to the bench.

Bench:

Mitch
Yabusele
Hart
Clarkson
Kolek

[Jalen Bluntson]

Hate the move. Hate the player. The only hope I can see if that he's been mailing it in for Utah and a smaller role on a much better team may help him play better. Better being the operative word. His best isn't very good either.

I really hate this move 110%. Probably the worst move they have made since Cam or washed Kemba.

That said, welcome to the Knicks jerk off. You better be worth the money!! I'm rooting for ya even though I think this was a terrible move.

I don't like him as a player either, but I'm not sure there was another combo guard we could get for the vet min that is better?

This should push McBride to the starting lineup and send Hart to the bench.

Bench:

Mitch
Yabusele
Hart
Clarkson
Kolek

We could have waited to find out. He was the 1st move and the worst move. We didn't need a combo guard. We needed a good backup PG/Wing/Center. Yabusele was a great move. Clarkson would probably be playing in China if we didn't sign him.

[Moose]

Hate the move. Hate the player. The only hope I can see if that he's been mailing it in for Utah and a smaller role on a much better team may help him play better. Better being the operative word. His best isn't very good either.

I really hate this move 110%. Probably the worst move they have made since Cam or washed Kemba.

That said, welcome to the Knicks jerk off. You better be worth the money!! I'm rooting for ya even though I think this was a terrible move.

I don't like him as a player either, but I'm not sure there was another combo guard we could get for the vet min that is better?

This should push McBride to the starting lineup and send Hart to the bench.

Bench:

Mitch
Yabusele
Hart
Clarkson
Kolek

We could have waited to find out. He was the 1st move and the worst move. We didn't need a combo guard. We needed a good backup PG/Wing/Center. Yabusele was a great move. Clarkson would probably be playing in China if we didn't sign him.

I assume his agent told the Knicks this buyout was a possibility and that's how it came together. If I remember correctly, the Knicks have been tied to Clarkson at previous trade deadlines.

I think this move pushes Hart to the bench to play with his former teammate where they will be told to run run run. I think you see some Kolek too from time to time.

I'm not saying I like it, but when you look at the available players they could have realistically brought in for the minimum, this is one of the few names that pops up in my opinion. Maybe Chris Paul is a solid backup PG we could have gotten for the min.

On the bright side, this likely still allows the Knicks to determine if Kolek is a long-term fit at the backup pg spot.

[8516knicks]

Any ideas of who in the FO wanted Clarkson the most?

[Jalen Bluntson]

I don't like him as a player either, but I'm not sure there was another combo guard we could get for the vet min that is better?

This should push McBride to the starting lineup and send Hart to the bench.

Bench:

Mitch
Yabusele
Hart
Clarkson
Kolek

We could have waited to find out. He was the 1st move and the worst move. We didn't need a combo guard. We needed a good backup PG/Wing/Center. Yabusele was a great move. Clarkson would probably be playing in China if we didn't sign him.

I assume his agent told the Knicks this buyout was a possibility and that's how it came together. If I remember correctly, the Knicks have been tied to Clarkson at previous trade deadlines.

I think this move pushes Hart to the bench to play with his former teammate where they will be told to run run run. I think you see some Kolek too from time to time.

I'm not saying I like it, but when you look at the available players they could have realistically brought in for the minimum, this is one of the few names that pops up in my opinion. Maybe Chris Paul is a solid backup PG we could have gotten for the min.

On the bright side, this likely still allows the Knicks to determine if Kolek is a long-term fit at the backup pg spot.

If he sucks he gets benched. That's all. I'm not upset about it. Disappointed. Even though I hate everything about this move it is a low cost mistake that won't matter much if he fails. Which he will IMO but, I'm not rooting against him.

I would take CP all day over him. I would take Dame over him. No jokes. Easily better moves by far.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Any ideas of who in the FO wanted Clarkson the most?

The drunkest guy in the room.

[nedleeds]

The bench unit should play offense through KAT ... rest our starting chucker PG and bring KAT in staggered. Homeless Lou Williams isn't changing anything. Same bing bongers who jizzed over Kemba Walker for 2 guaranteed are creaming over this sieve.

[El Poochio]

We needed someone like him, Leon putting work

[8516knicks]

What can we expect from Mike Brown?

[Moose]

We could have waited to find out. He was the 1st move and the worst move. We didn't need a combo guard. We needed a good backup PG/Wing/Center. Yabusele was a great move. Clarkson would probably be playing in China if we didn't sign him.

I assume his agent told the Knicks this buyout was a possibility and that's how it came together. If I remember correctly, the Knicks have been tied to Clarkson at previous trade deadlines.

I think this move pushes Hart to the bench to play with his former teammate where they will be told to run run run. I think you see some Kolek too from time to time.

I'm not saying I like it, but when you look at the available players they could have realistically brought in for the minimum, this is one of the few names that pops up in my opinion. Maybe Chris Paul is a solid backup PG we could have gotten for the min.

On the bright side, this likely still allows the Knicks to determine if Kolek is a long-term fit at the backup pg spot.

If he sucks he gets benched. That's all. I'm not upset about it. Disappointed. Even though I hate everything about this move it is a low cost mistake that won't matter much if he fails. Which he will IMO but, I'm not rooting against him.

I would take CP all day over him. I would take Dame over him. No jokes. Easily better moves by far.

CP3 would likely be the better move, yes, but it does take both parties involved to agree to a deal. And again, it would have to be for the vet minimum.

Dane is out next season, and that happened after the Clarkson signing.

I think the Knicks are going to want the second unit to run run run.

[HopelessKnick]

I assume his agent told the Knicks this buyout was a possibility and that's how it came together. If I remember correctly, the Knicks have been tied to Clarkson at previous trade deadlines.

I think this move pushes Hart to the bench to play with his former teammate where they will be told to run run run. I think you see some Kolek too from time to time.

I'm not saying I like it, but when you look at the available players they could have realistically brought in for the minimum, this is one of the few names that pops up in my opinion. Maybe Chris Paul is a solid backup PG we could have gotten for the min.

On the bright side, this likely still allows the Knicks to determine if Kolek is a long-term fit at the backup pg spot.

If he sucks he gets benched. That's all. I'm not upset about it. Disappointed. Even though I hate everything about this move it is a low cost mistake that won't matter much if he fails. Which he will IMO but, I'm not rooting against him.

I would take CP all day over him. I would take Dame over him. No jokes. Easily better moves by far.

CP3 would likely be the better move, yes, but it does take both parties involved to agree to a deal. And again, it would have to be for the vet minimum.

Dane is out next season, and that happened after the Clarkson signing.

I think the Knicks are going to want the second unit to run run run.

CP3 would be a good move. Ideal at this point IMO.

[Pr0nzingis]

oh yeah Ayton side by side with Kat would have been formidable! Hear that Boston? Formidable!

lol, I would totally take Ayton on this team on a good contract. One hundred better than Clarkson. He would be a better bench player than Clarkson too.

Man, for someone who has been one of the best scorers off the bench the past few years, it's pretty weird when I see these articles from Utah Jazz fans who know him best:

Clarkson has been in trade rumors for 2+ years now and he’s well past his due date as a Jazzman. He’s a 31 year old 6th man on a team going through a youth movement. That would be fine if he was a great role model or mentor for the young guys on the roster. He may be worth keeping around if he were helping put his teammates in a position to succeed. The price tag might be worth it if he could actually put the ball in the hoop with any sort of efficient regularity.

But it’s just not happening.

Unfortunately, multiple times the Jazz have had probable opportunities to trade Clarkson at good value and multiple times he was kept on the roster. Now the Utah Jazz are stuck with a Jordan Clarkson problem.

...

I could somewhat understand the front office’s decision to bring Jordan back last offseason. They didn’t want to lose what they saw as a positive asset for nothing. Plus, they front loaded his contract, which goes from $23.5 million this year to $14 million for the next 2 years, which is under 10% of the league cap. And yet, with the way he’s played, it’s unlikely he’s a positive asset ever again.

Among the 83 players with at least 12 FGA per game, Jordan Clarkson ranks 82nd in true shooting percentage
Among the 94 players with at least 30 MPG, he ranks 86th in Defensive Rating
Among the 134 players shooting at least 4.5 3’s per game, JC ranks 132nd at 29.5%
Among the 135 players with at least 1,100 minutes played, Clarkson ranks 120th in LeBron. Most of the players worse than him are 25 years or younger.
52.2% of his shots are after 3+ dribbles (15.1% are after 7+ dribbles!). 50.4% of his shots are against tight or very tight defense. He touches the ball for 6+ seconds 23% of the time!
Jordan Clarkson ranks in the 36.8th percentile as a pick and roll ball handler and the 25.8th percentile as a spot up shooter
On defense, Jordan Clarkson ranks in the 39.1 percentile in isolation, 32.1 percentile in the pick and roll, and 11.3 percentile against a spot up shooter

No matter how you spin it, he’s just bad this year. And his on court attitude can be even worse at times. Like the team leading 36 minutes in last night’s loss to Orlando? A game where he scored just 5 points on 10 shots. His demeanor is of someone who is clearly done. That’s just one game you say? Ok well over the last 11 games he’s playing almost 32 minutes a night, shooting the ball nearly 13 times a game, and is shooting just 36% from the field and 28% from 3, oh and he’s an average of -5.2 per game over that span. It’s pretty hard to win games or develop young talent with heavy minutes going towards that kind of production.

https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/3/1/24087662/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-nba-offseason

March 2024...he was definitely a trash player for the Jazz. You can't call this one of the "best bench scorers" in the game.

Are you done yet? You just keep posting negative crap about this guy. He's here whether you like it or not so why not support our current player and cut it out already.

I love how someone that keeps whining about Clarkson six man of the year award being irrelevant because it's in the past, goes back in time to 2024. We are in 2025 he shot 36% from three not 29%.

Almost as good as saying ""A player can be bad at one price and good at another." and then keep crying about him getting vet minimum.

U started with ridiculous comments on this thread and u never looked back.


He is bad? Well at least he wasn't bought out like your boy Ayton.

[kaansunman]

CP3 is a veteran you want to see in a contender but his health is a big what if when your goal is to go all the way. Even with a lesser role and less minutes it is a big risk to carry him as a key bench player.
Playoff toughness is too much for Ayton, we've seen that already. He is a great talent but he is not a competitor.
Clarkson's numbers are down last year but it is normal especially in a team that goes nowhere. He will be a quick spark from the bench, immediate scoring some acrboatic moves and plays form 15-20 mins.
I like the move even better after Yabusele signing, it's an upgrade compare to Cam Payne. It's one of best this amount of money can buy, I trust him.

[dakomish23]

He's a good scorer and def more consistent of a 6th man threat than we've had in a long time. I'd go for guys who are better defenders and playing off the ball, or an actual back up PG who could even start to give Brunson the night off.

But if we're going this route - Cole Anthony or Jordan Clarkson?

[Jalen Bluntson]

I assume his agent told the Knicks this buyout was a possibility and that's how it came together. If I remember correctly, the Knicks have been tied to Clarkson at previous trade deadlines.

I think this move pushes Hart to the bench to play with his former teammate where they will be told to run run run. I think you see some Kolek too from time to time.

I'm not saying I like it, but when you look at the available players they could have realistically brought in for the minimum, this is one of the few names that pops up in my opinion. Maybe Chris Paul is a solid backup PG we could have gotten for the min.

On the bright side, this likely still allows the Knicks to determine if Kolek is a long-term fit at the backup pg spot.

If he sucks he gets benched. That's all. I'm not upset about it. Disappointed. Even though I hate everything about this move it is a low cost mistake that won't matter much if he fails. Which he will IMO but, I'm not rooting against him.

I would take CP all day over him. I would take Dame over him. No jokes. Easily better moves by far.

CP3 would likely be the better move, yes, but it does take both parties involved to agree to a deal. And again, it would have to be for the vet minimum.

Dane is out next season, and that happened after the Clarkson signing.

I think the Knicks are going to want the second unit to run run run.

I am aware of all of this. Which is why rushing to sign Clarkson was a bad move IMO.

[CharlesOakley]

You guys expect way too much from a minimum signing. He wants to be here. He has some dog in him. He can get buckets off the bench. He would be easy to trade at any point if it's not working out. The city will expect effort every night or they will let him hear about it.

He isn't getting 26 minutes a night in New York without injuries.