2025 Offseason Thread Vol.4

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They would be if he gets bought out.. theyre not interested in a trade where they have to ship out matching salaries back to LA. Then that makes them a weaker team than they were before

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Whitmore vs Kuminga:

Combine height: 6’5.75 - 6’7 (both currently listed at 6’7 now.

Wingspan: 6’8.5 - 6’11

Weight: 235 - 217.2

Vertical: 40.5 - 38

Basically a wash all things considered.

Current stats/numbers:

Age: 20 - 22

3pt%: 36% (4 attempts) - 33% (2 attempts)

Reb%: 10.4 - 9.9

Per 36 for those who care:

Whitmore: 22.3-7-2-1-1 on 18.3 FGA 55.5TS%

Kuminga: 20.5-6.6-3-1-1 on 15.2 FGA 58.3TS%

Kuminga slightly more efficient likely due to a higher free throw rate.

Contract: 2/$9M for Whitmore - 3/$90+ (reportedly for Kuminga looking for $30M+ a year with 3 years being the minimum requirement of a sign and trade)

Conclusion: similar players size wise, personality wise, and numbers wise. Both are black holes and overly confident in themselves (which can be a good thing if you reel it in). Whitmore is the better shooter while Kuminga is better at getting to the line. Age, contract situation, and shooting ability makes me favor Whitmore pretty easily. If we take Kuminga at 3/$90M and he sucks we’re stuck with a bad contract, if we get Whitmore and he sucks we just don’t resign him. If he’s good he’s a cheap cost controlled rotation player for the next 2 years with a high ceiling.

Honestly if it wasn’t for the contract situation I wouldn’t care which one you gave me but if we’re going to take on a developmental project at the 3 there is a much safer answer here.

They both DO have all star potential but will they be able to put it all together is the main question.

are there rumblings of Houston wanting to ship out Cam Whitmore?

He's definitely the better upside play between the 2 considering hes on his rookie deal for 2 more seasons.

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Makes you wonder if it could be done for Highsmith who will just come in and play high level defense, knockdown open 3s, and be more than happy doing so. He kind of fits what they’re looking for but my guess is that Whitmore ends up with the Lakers or something unfortunately.

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They would be if he gets bought out.. theyre not interested in a trade where they have to ship out matching salaries back to LA. Then that makes them a weaker team than they were before

He is gettable if we want him

LeBron doesn’t want a buy out it’s a stain on his legacy, and he also wants to look like the good guy here.

LA doesn’t want a buy out either, they would be best served recouping something, and have a great separation with an all time player for their image.

Miami is positioned to make this move, I can’t help but think they will take a swing at it, but if they do I doubt we hear about it until it is completed or months after it falls through. This will be handled delicately

Makes sense to me why they backed up off the KD move and have been slow to act here on some of the secondary targets

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Miami bound. I’m pretty sure Cleveland would have to move mountains to get him

Fr. Cleveland would have to match quality players to get to 52M, and he'd be just a one year max two rental. And hes a diva. Would Donovan even want to play with him?

Miami on the other hand. Wiggins plus some pieces like Fontecchio and Kyle Anderson etc. It would also open up roster spots for players like Burks or possibly dame.

[DayofMourning]

Whitmore vs Kuminga:

Combine height: 6’5.75 - 6’7 (both currently listed at 6’7 now.

Wingspan: 6’8.5 - 6’11

Weight: 235 - 217.2

Vertical: 40.5 - 38

Basically a wash all things considered.

Current stats/numbers:

Age: 20 - 22

3pt%: 36% (4 attempts) - 33% (2 attempts)

Reb%: 10.4 - 9.9

Per 36 for those who care:

Whitmore: 22.3-7-2-1-1 on 18.3 FGA 55.5TS%

Kuminga: 20.5-6.6-3-1-1 on 15.2 FGA 58.3TS%

Kuminga slightly more efficient likely due to a higher free throw rate.

Contract: 2/$9M for Whitmore - 3/$90+ (reportedly for Kuminga looking for $30M+ a year with 3 years being the minimum requirement of a sign and trade)

Conclusion: similar players size wise, personality wise, and numbers wise. Both are black holes and overly confident in themselves (which can be a good thing if you reel it in). Whitmore is the better shooter while Kuminga is better at getting to the line. Age, contract situation, and shooting ability makes me favor Whitmore pretty easily. If we take Kuminga at 3/$90M and he sucks we’re stuck with a bad contract, if we get Whitmore and he sucks we just don’t resign him. If he’s good he’s a cheap cost controlled rotation player for the next 2 years with a high ceiling.

Honestly if it wasn’t for the contract situation I wouldn’t care which one you gave me but if we’re going to take on a developmental project at the 3 there is a much safer answer here.

They both DO have all star potential but will they be able to put it all together is the main question.

are there rumblings of Houston wanting to ship out Cam Whitmore?

He's definitely the better upside play between the 2 considering hes on his rookie deal for 2 more seasons.

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Makes you wonder if it could be done for Highsmith who will just come in and play high level defense, knockdown open 3s, and be more than happy doing so. He kind of fits what they’re looking for but my guess is that Whitmore ends up with the Lakers or something unfortunately.

Fontecchio to Houston.

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Whitmore vs Kuminga:

Combine height: 6’5.75 - 6’7 (both currently listed at 6’7 now.

Wingspan: 6’8.5 - 6’11

Weight: 235 - 217.2

Vertical: 40.5 - 38

Basically a wash all things considered.

Current stats/numbers:

Age: 20 - 22

3pt%: 36% (4 attempts) - 33% (2 attempts)

Reb%: 10.4 - 9.9

Per 36 for those who care:

Whitmore: 22.3-7-2-1-1 on 18.3 FGA 55.5TS%

Kuminga: 20.5-6.6-3-1-1 on 15.2 FGA 58.3TS%

Kuminga slightly more efficient likely due to a higher free throw rate.

Contract: 2/$9M for Whitmore - 3/$90+ (reportedly for Kuminga looking for $30M+ a year with 3 years being the minimum requirement of a sign and trade)

Conclusion: similar players size wise, personality wise, and numbers wise. Both are black holes and overly confident in themselves (which can be a good thing if you reel it in). Whitmore is the better shooter while Kuminga is better at getting to the line. Age, contract situation, and shooting ability makes me favor Whitmore pretty easily. If we take Kuminga at 3/$90M and he sucks we’re stuck with a bad contract, if we get Whitmore and he sucks we just don’t resign him. If he’s good he’s a cheap cost controlled rotation player for the next 2 years with a high ceiling.

Honestly if it wasn’t for the contract situation I wouldn’t care which one you gave me but if we’re going to take on a developmental project at the 3 there is a much safer answer here.

They both DO have all star potential but will they be able to put it all together is the main question.

are there rumblings of Houston wanting to ship out Cam Whitmore?

He's definitely the better upside play between the 2 considering hes on his rookie deal for 2 more seasons.

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Makes you wonder if it could be done for Highsmith who will just come in and play high level defense, knockdown open 3s, and be more than happy doing so. He kind of fits what they’re looking for but my guess is that Whitmore ends up with the Lakers or something unfortunately.

Much better option than Kuminga bc of cheap contract.

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Miami bound. I’m pretty sure Cleveland would have to move mountains to get him

Doubtful. But, I'm here for the fantasy exercise:

- Miami trades Wiggins & Rozier for Lebron James
- Miami signs Chris Paul (or other FA guard of interest) to open roster spot

Mitchell/Paul - Kasparas
Herro - Larsson - Kasparas
LeBron - Highsmith/Fontecchio
Bam - Jovic - Anderson
Ware - Bam - Love

Miami is a competitive team while having a pseudo farewell season for LeBron. Bam and Ware get pumped up value playing with the best playmaker either has ever shared the court with. Miami makes the playoffs with potential to make some noise in a weak East.

LeBron retires. Luka struggles on a sh*t squad in LA and didn't sign extension in August. Luka enters Free Agency and Miami has a max slot vacated by LeBron. Luka sees what LeBron was able to do driving the Miami machine with Spo coaching and knows it's his best option for contention. Profit.

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Heat legend.

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Miami bound. I’m pretty sure Cleveland would have to move mountains to get him

Doubtful. But, I'm here for the fantasy exercise:

- Miami trades Wiggins & Rozier for Lebron James
- Miami signs Chris Paul (or other FA guard of interest) to open roster spot

Mitchell - Paul - Kasparas
Herro - Larsson - Kasparas
LeBron - Highsmith/Fontecchio
Bam - Jovic - Anderson
Ware - Bam - Love

Miami is a competitive team while having a pseudo farewell season for LeBron. Bam and Ware get pumped up value playing with the best playmaker either has ever shared the court with. Miami makes the playoffs with potential to make some noise in a weak East.

LeBron retires. Luka struggles on a sh*t squad in LA and didn't sign extension in August. Luka enters Free Agency and Miami has a max slot vacated by LeBron. Luka sees what LeBron was able to do driving the Miami machine with Spo coaching and knows it's his best option for contention. Profit.

It’s a deal we can make if we want to make it, I think it’s understated how much LeBron would do for this team. In my mind it without a question makes us the top contending team in the East if you can basically swap out Rozier and Wiggins for LeBron

I personally believe it will require

JJJ
Wiggins
Rozier
1st round pick

Which I am more than happy with the Heat parting with. That’s a fair deal for the Lakers they get a 1st, Wiggins who they can probably re route for another 1st and the hometown UCLA boy who they can either retain or feature then shop. It gives them the tools to begin their quest to acquire their next star rather than losing LeBron for nothing or delaying the Luka build.

All we need is for Luka to apply a small amount of pressure in extension negotiations. Either way Miami should be closely monitoring the overall Lakers situation.

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Miami bound. I’m pretty sure Cleveland would have to move mountains to get him

Doubtful. But, I'm here for the fantasy exercise:

- Miami trades Wiggins & Rozier for Lebron James
- Miami signs Chris Paul (or other FA guard of interest) to open roster spot

Mitchell/Paul - Kasparas
Herro - Larsson - Kasparas
LeBron - Highsmith/Fontecchio
Bam - Jovic - Anderson
Ware - Bam - Love

Miami is a competitive team while having a pseudo farewell season for LeBron. Bam and Ware get pumped up value playing with the best playmaker either has ever shared the court with. Miami makes the playoffs with potential to make some noise in a weak East.

LeBron retires. Luka struggles on a sh*t squad in LA and didn't sign extension in August. Luka enters Free Agency and Miami has a max slot vacated by LeBron. Luka sees what LeBron was able to do driving the Miami machine with Spo coaching and knows it's his best option for contention. Profit.

Sign me up lol, with the right moves we could absolutely make some noise. Hell maybe the league rigs it for us to give LeBron a ring on his farewell tour.

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Then we need a new front office. Duncan didn't opt out to help us, he opted out to help himself. They can take the sign and trade on our terms or they can take his $9 million and pound sand.

And that $9 million comes with offsets, and Duncan's minimum as a 7 year vet is $3 million, so even if he sign elsewhere for the minimum we save money.

You're back in the fantasyland where Duncan opts out in spite of his own interests for ?????????


May I interest you in some FARTcoin?

How is it in spite of his own interests? He's making more now than he would have if we'd just cut him.

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Miami bound. I’m pretty sure Cleveland would have to move mountains to get him

Doubtful. But, I'm here for the fantasy exercise:

- Miami trades Wiggins & Rozier for Lebron James
- Miami signs Chris Paul (or other FA guard of interest) to open roster spot

Mitchell - Paul - Kasparas
Herro - Larsson - Kasparas
LeBron - Highsmith/Fontecchio
Bam - Jovic - Anderson
Ware - Bam - Love

Miami is a competitive team while having a pseudo farewell season for LeBron. Bam and Ware get pumped up value playing with the best playmaker either has ever shared the court with. Miami makes the playoffs with potential to make some noise in a weak East.

LeBron retires. Luka struggles on a sh*t squad in LA and didn't sign extension in August. Luka enters Free Agency and Miami has a max slot vacated by LeBron. Luka sees what LeBron was able to do driving the Miami machine with Spo coaching and knows it's his best option for contention. Profit.

It’s a deal we can make if we want to make it, I think it’s understated how much LeBron would do for this team. In my mind it without a question makes us the top contending team in the East if you can basically swap out Rozier and Wiggins for LeBron

I personally believe it will require

JJJ
Wiggins
Rozier
1st round pick

Which I am more than happy with the Heat parting with

Take out the first and I'm cool with it. This would be time for Klutch's unfair leverage to benefit Miami.

[MorbidHEAT]

This is where we are…dreaming about Lebron coming back to Miami? We are cooked.

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And that $9 million comes with offsets, and Duncan's minimum as a 7 year vet is $3 million, so even if he sign elsewhere for the minimum we save money.

You're back in the fantasyland where Duncan opts out in spite of his own interests for ?????????


May I interest you in some FARTcoin?

How is it in spite of his own interests? He's making more now than he would have if we'd just cut him.

Duncan doesn't have the suitor without the S&T. Why is Duncan opting out? You're wasting so much time being upset about the biggest nothingburger I've ever seen.

[greg4012]

This is where we are…dreaming about Lebron coming back to Miami? We are cooked.

Naturally, you wouldn't be posting if not to say something negative and cry into the voids of a dying internet. But, yea it's offseason with not much going on. Prime time for some bullsh*t.

[MiamiLoyal926]

Miami bound. I’m pretty sure Cleveland would have to move mountains to get him

Doubtful. But, I'm here for the fantasy exercise:

- Miami trades Wiggins & Rozier for Lebron James
- Miami signs Chris Paul (or other FA guard of interest) to open roster spot

Mitchell - Paul - Kasparas
Herro - Larsson - Kasparas
LeBron - Highsmith/Fontecchio
Bam - Jovic - Anderson
Ware - Bam - Love

Miami is a competitive team while having a pseudo farewell season for LeBron. Bam and Ware get pumped up value playing with the best playmaker either has ever shared the court with. Miami makes the playoffs with potential to make some noise in a weak East.

LeBron retires. Luka struggles on a sh*t squad in LA and didn't sign extension in August. Luka enters Free Agency and Miami has a max slot vacated by LeBron. Luka sees what LeBron was able to do driving the Miami machine with Spo coaching and knows it's his best option for contention. Profit.

It’s a deal we can make if we want to make it, I think it’s understated how much LeBron would do for this team. In my mind it without a question makes us the top contending team in the East if you can basically swap out Rozier and Wiggins for LeBron

I personally believe it will require

JJJ
Wiggins
Rozier
1st round pick

Which I am more than happy with the Heat parting with

Stop giving away our FRPs please! JJJ is the sweetener! Lebron is 40 and will go and do whatever he wants. Wade was traded back to Miami for nothing because that’s what he wanted… you think LeBron will be any different? The sweetener is we also have to absorb Bronny.

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Doubtful. But, I'm here for the fantasy exercise:

- Miami trades Wiggins & Rozier for Lebron James
- Miami signs Chris Paul (or other FA guard of interest) to open roster spot

Mitchell - Paul - Kasparas
Herro - Larsson - Kasparas
LeBron - Highsmith/Fontecchio
Bam - Jovic - Anderson
Ware - Bam - Love

Miami is a competitive team while having a pseudo farewell season for LeBron. Bam and Ware get pumped up value playing with the best playmaker either has ever shared the court with. Miami makes the playoffs with potential to make some noise in a weak East.

LeBron retires. Luka struggles on a sh*t squad in LA and didn't sign extension in August. Luka enters Free Agency and Miami has a max slot vacated by LeBron. Luka sees what LeBron was able to do driving the Miami machine with Spo coaching and knows it's his best option for contention. Profit.

It’s a deal we can make if we want to make it, I think it’s understated how much LeBron would do for this team. In my mind it without a question makes us the top contending team in the East if you can basically swap out Rozier and Wiggins for LeBron

I personally believe it will require

JJJ
Wiggins
Rozier
1st round pick

Which I am more than happy with the Heat parting with

Take out the first and I'm cool with it. This would be time for Klutch's unfair leverage to benefit Miami.

You could negotiate it, but to me you don’t screw around with them too much. That’s likely a better deal than anybody else can compete with. I like acquiring LeBron for the immediate impact but also because when he does retire that salary opens up a lot of possibilities with 50+ mil off the books almost immediately next season. If LeBron wants to keep playing at 42 I think that is where you see him start to take less money to help fill out the team.

I also don’t mind having Bronny at all. I think he’s got some tools and in another 2-3 years could be a pretty solid rotational piece.

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This is where we are…dreaming about Lebron coming back to Miami? We are cooked.

Naturally, you wouldn't be posting if not to say something negative and cry into the voids of a dying internet. But, yea it's offseason with not much going on. Prime time for some bullsh*t.

I know it took me more than 2 minutes to respond to this, I would have responded sooner but I was too busy sobbing about how mean you were. Do better.

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Fans are never satisfied.
But what's this "tipping point"? What happens when tipped? The empty arena? Not watching Heat games? Become Magic fans? It's all just talking head speaks.