Shams: Jordan Clarkson expected to sign with Knicks

[Jalen Bluntson]

lol, I would totally take Ayton on this team on a good contract. One hundred better than Clarkson. He would be a better bench player than Clarkson too.

Man, for someone who has been one of the best scorers off the bench the past few years, it's pretty weird when I see these articles from Utah Jazz fans who know him best:



https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/3/1/24087662/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-nba-offseason

March 2024...he was definitely a trash player for the Jazz. You can't call this one of the "best bench scorers" in the game.

Are you done yet? You just keep posting negative crap about this guy. He's here whether you like it or not so why not support our current player and cut it out already.

I love how someone that keeps whining about Clarkson six man of the year award being irrelevant because it's in the past, goes back in time to 2024. We are in 2025 he shot 36% from three not 29%.

Almost as good as saying ""A player can be bad at one price and good at another." and then keep crying about him getting vet minimum.

U started with ridiculous comments on this thread and u never looked back.


He is bad? Well at least he wasn't bought out like your boy Ayton.

But he was bought out. He was only making chump change compared to Ayton and they couldn't find a trade for him. So they bought him out.

[KnicksGadfly]

oh yeah Ayton side by side with Kat would have been formidable! Hear that Boston? Formidable!

lol, I would totally take Ayton on this team on a good contract. One hundred better than Clarkson. He would be a better bench player than Clarkson too.

Man, for someone who has been one of the best scorers off the bench the past few years, it's pretty weird when I see these articles from Utah Jazz fans who know him best:

Clarkson has been in trade rumors for 2+ years now and he’s well past his due date as a Jazzman. He’s a 31 year old 6th man on a team going through a youth movement. That would be fine if he was a great role model or mentor for the young guys on the roster. He may be worth keeping around if he were helping put his teammates in a position to succeed. The price tag might be worth it if he could actually put the ball in the hoop with any sort of efficient regularity.

But it’s just not happening.

Unfortunately, multiple times the Jazz have had probable opportunities to trade Clarkson at good value and multiple times he was kept on the roster. Now the Utah Jazz are stuck with a Jordan Clarkson problem.

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I could somewhat understand the front office’s decision to bring Jordan back last offseason. They didn’t want to lose what they saw as a positive asset for nothing. Plus, they front loaded his contract, which goes from $23.5 million this year to $14 million for the next 2 years, which is under 10% of the league cap. And yet, with the way he’s played, it’s unlikely he’s a positive asset ever again.

Among the 83 players with at least 12 FGA per game, Jordan Clarkson ranks 82nd in true shooting percentage
Among the 94 players with at least 30 MPG, he ranks 86th in Defensive Rating
Among the 134 players shooting at least 4.5 3’s per game, JC ranks 132nd at 29.5%
Among the 135 players with at least 1,100 minutes played, Clarkson ranks 120th in LeBron. Most of the players worse than him are 25 years or younger.
52.2% of his shots are after 3+ dribbles (15.1% are after 7+ dribbles!). 50.4% of his shots are against tight or very tight defense. He touches the ball for 6+ seconds 23% of the time!
Jordan Clarkson ranks in the 36.8th percentile as a pick and roll ball handler and the 25.8th percentile as a spot up shooter
On defense, Jordan Clarkson ranks in the 39.1 percentile in isolation, 32.1 percentile in the pick and roll, and 11.3 percentile against a spot up shooter

No matter how you spin it, he’s just bad this year. And his on court attitude can be even worse at times. Like the team leading 36 minutes in last night’s loss to Orlando? A game where he scored just 5 points on 10 shots. His demeanor is of someone who is clearly done. That’s just one game you say? Ok well over the last 11 games he’s playing almost 32 minutes a night, shooting the ball nearly 13 times a game, and is shooting just 36% from the field and 28% from 3, oh and he’s an average of -5.2 per game over that span. It’s pretty hard to win games or develop young talent with heavy minutes going towards that kind of production.

https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/3/1/24087662/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-nba-offseason

March 2024...he was definitely a trash player for the Jazz. You can't call this one of the "best bench scorers" in the game.

Are you done yet? You just keep posting negative crap about this guy. He's here whether you like it or not so why not support our current player and cut it out already.

Eh…no. You’re framing this discussion as positivity vs negativity. I’m framing this discussion as truth vs false positivity.

I’m not going to whitewash anything with Clarkson. He’s been trash for the Jazz and if he plays like that for us, he’s going to be trash too. I don’t need to pretend that he’s been anything but trash. That was just one article I posted...there's lots more from Jazz fans about how bad he was.

If he gives us more, I’ll be happy to admit it. I’ll even admit that he might get better now that he’s in a new environment. But, I feel no need to make up fake shat about his past few years or talk smack about Josh Hart or talk about how it's a one-game thing. He’s been trash for the Jazz and that’s why we’re able to get him for cheap. We need him to be much better than what he showed.

[Enzo954]

lol, I would totally take Ayton on this team on a good contract. One hundred better than Clarkson. He would be a better bench player than Clarkson too.

Man, for someone who has been one of the best scorers off the bench the past few years, it's pretty weird when I see these articles from Utah Jazz fans who know him best:



https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/3/1/24087662/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-nba-offseason

March 2024...he was definitely a trash player for the Jazz. You can't call this one of the "best bench scorers" in the game.

Are you done yet? You just keep posting negative crap about this guy. He's here whether you like it or not so why not support our current player and cut it out already.

Eh…no. You’re framing this discussion as positivity vs negativity. I’m framing this discussion as truth vs false positivity.

I’m not going to whitewash anything with Clarkson. He’s been trash for the Jazz and if he plays like that for us, he’s going to be trash too. I don’t need to pretend that he’s been anything but trash. That was just one article I posted...there's lots more from Jazz fans about how bad he was.

If he gives us more, I’ll be happy to admit it. I’ll even admit that he might get better now that he’s in a new environment. But, I feel no need to make up fake shat about his past few years or talk smack about Josh Hart or talk about how it's a one-game thing. He’s been trash for the Jazz and that’s why we’re able to get him for cheap. We need him to be much better than what he showed.

Bro, for every negative article or post from a Jazz fan there's also positive ones. You just want to die on this hill that he sucks with your negative garbage. It's gettin fckn old already.

[Pr0nzingis]

Are you done yet? You just keep posting negative crap about this guy. He's here whether you like it or not so why not support our current player and cut it out already.

I love how someone that keeps whining about Clarkson six man of the year award being irrelevant because it's in the past, goes back in time to 2024. We are in 2025 he shot 36% from three not 29%.

Almost as good as saying ""A player can be bad at one price and good at another." and then keep crying about him getting vet minimum.

U started with ridiculous comments on this thread and u never looked back.


He is bad? Well at least he wasn't bought out like your boy Ayton.

But he was bought out. He was only making chump change compared to Ayton and they couldn't find a trade for him. So they bought him out.

You're right i honestly thought he was FA. But he is 33 year old and a bench player... Ayton is 27 and former nº1 pick.

[Jalen Bluntson]

lol, I would totally take Ayton on this team on a good contract. One hundred better than Clarkson. He would be a better bench player than Clarkson too.

Man, for someone who has been one of the best scorers off the bench the past few years, it's pretty weird when I see these articles from Utah Jazz fans who know him best:



https://www.slcdunk.com/2024/3/1/24087662/utah-jazz-jordan-clarkson-nba-offseason

March 2024...he was definitely a trash player for the Jazz. You can't call this one of the "best bench scorers" in the game.

Are you done yet? You just keep posting negative crap about this guy. He's here whether you like it or not so why not support our current player and cut it out already.

Eh…no. You’re framing this discussion as positivity vs negativity. I’m framing this discussion as truth vs false positivity.

I’m not going to whitewash anything with Clarkson. He’s been trash for the Jazz and if he plays like that for us, he’s going to be trash too. I don’t need to pretend that he’s been anything but trash. That was just one article I posted...there's lots more from Jazz fans about how bad he was.

If he gives us more, I’ll be happy to admit it. I’ll even admit that he might get better now that he’s in a new environment. But, I feel no need to make up fake shat about his past few years or talk smack about Josh Hart or talk about how it's a one-game thing. He’s been trash for the Jazz and that’s why we’re able to get him for cheap. We need him to be much better than what he showed.

JC shouldn't be playing more than 15mpg max. His scoring will be hot and cold like it has been for years. He's not a PG so the ball shouldn't be in his hands enough to hurt the team. He's not a PG which was A MUCH bigger need than another 6'5 or under guard. Poor defender. Poor shot selection. Not a position of need. There's so much wrong with this signing yet people are in here acting like those who don't like the move are crazy.

He's only on a minimum? Yeah, and we ONLY have minimum deals to fill out the roster. We just wasted one on a scrub. That's actually a big deal. We needed three specific things this summer outside of a new HC. Backup PG. Backup wing with some length. Backup C who could split time with Mitch and play alongside KAT. We had enough for three contracts to get those things. Now we have none. Yabu sorta fills part of two of those things but, Clarkson has no business being the first move we made. We have no need for him. Shamet would be better than him by a lot.

It is what it is at this point. I will root for him to succeed and play his best ball ever. I have serious doubts that anyone will want him here by the time January rolls around. I do have something positive to say though. Maybe a new scene will be good for him. If not, he's not making too much money to be benched for the kids if they can take a leap. Kolek is the only other PG on the team. The backup job is his for the taking as of now. Clarkson is the only thing standing in his way and he isn't even a PG.

I do recall he had some decent moments in LA. Was he there when Mike Brown was there? He was an up and comer at one point.

[KnicksGadfly]

Are you done yet? You just keep posting negative crap about this guy. He's here whether you like it or not so why not support our current player and cut it out already.

Eh…no. You’re framing this discussion as positivity vs negativity. I’m framing this discussion as truth vs false positivity.

I’m not going to whitewash anything with Clarkson. He’s been trash for the Jazz and if he plays like that for us, he’s going to be trash too. I don’t need to pretend that he’s been anything but trash. That was just one article I posted...there's lots more from Jazz fans about how bad he was.

If he gives us more, I’ll be happy to admit it. I’ll even admit that he might get better now that he’s in a new environment. But, I feel no need to make up fake shat about his past few years or talk smack about Josh Hart or talk about how it's a one-game thing. He’s been trash for the Jazz and that’s why we’re able to get him for cheap. We need him to be much better than what he showed.

Bro, for every negative article or post from a Jazz fan there's also positive ones. You just want to die on this hill that he sucks with your negative garbage. It's gettin fckn old already.

Nope. It must be frustrating because you really want everyone to go "rah-rah" over Clarkson, but really I don't hate on people for no reason. For example, I really like Yabusele and I can list out why I really like Yabusele, and he only returned to the league recently. Let's just get back to the facts...I think you're starting to argue that I have no reason to hate on Clarkson, and I'd rather just get away from the "you're just a hater" argument because it's not going to go anywhere. You're say I'm negative, I'll rebut and talk about how you can't blah blah, and then...yea.

Can we agree on these things?
1. Clarkson won a 6MOY when he was 29 years old in 2021, but his performance has fallen off since then
2. Clarkson does not add value on defense
3. Clarkson is a pretty inefficient shooter
4. Clarkson has a pretty high turnover rate
5. Clarkson shows talent for taking a high amount of shots
6. Clarkson is on a minimum contract, which lessens the risk for the Knicks

Are we in agreement on these things right now?

[Kampuchea]

Damn, crashing out over Clarkson

[ctorres]

Eh…no. You’re framing this discussion as positivity vs negativity. I’m framing this discussion as truth vs false positivity.

I’m not going to whitewash anything with Clarkson. He’s been trash for the Jazz and if he plays like that for us, he’s going to be trash too. I don’t need to pretend that he’s been anything but trash. That was just one article I posted...there's lots more from Jazz fans about how bad he was.

If he gives us more, I’ll be happy to admit it. I’ll even admit that he might get better now that he’s in a new environment. But, I feel no need to make up fake shat about his past few years or talk smack about Josh Hart or talk about how it's a one-game thing. He’s been trash for the Jazz and that’s why we’re able to get him for cheap. We need him to be much better than what he showed.

Bro, for every negative article or post from a Jazz fan there's also positive ones. You just want to die on this hill that he sucks with your negative garbage. It's gettin fckn old already.

Nope. It must be frustrating because you really want everyone to go "rah-rah" over Clarkson, but really I don't hate on people for no reason. For example, I really like Yabusele and I can list out why I really like Yabusele, and he only returned to the league recently. Let's just get back to the facts...I think you're starting to argue that I have no reason to hate on Clarkson, and I'd rather just get away from the "you're just a hater" argument because it's not going to go anywhere. You're say I'm negative, I'll rebut and talk about how you can't blah blah, and then...yea.

Can we agree on these things?
1. Clarkson won a 6MOY when he was 29 years old in 2021, but his performance has fallen off since then
2. Clarkson does not add value on defense
3. Clarkson is a pretty inefficient shooter
4. Clarkson has a pretty high turnover rate
5. Clarkson shows talent for taking a high amount of shots
6. Clarkson is on a minimum contract, which lessens the risk for the Knicks

Are we in agreement on these things right now?

Not in agreement on 3

I looked at the shot chart from last season on statmuse and have mentioned it a few times on here already

He shoots a very high percentage on threes from the top of the key. Also, while not great, he is a more reliable 3pt shooter from the left and right wing than Mikal. Clarkson's shooting percentages from the left and right wing is 33.3%. I'll take that.

For whatever reason, Clarkson rarely attempted threes from the corner.

He is inefficient under the hoop, but otherwise, he shoots a high percentage on his floater and any shots that are further out in the paint. He takes little to no shots outside the paint and will attempt threes instead of long range two's

[Moose]

If he sucks he gets benched. That's all. I'm not upset about it. Disappointed. Even though I hate everything about this move it is a low cost mistake that won't matter much if he fails. Which he will IMO but, I'm not rooting against him.

I would take CP all day over him. I would take Dame over him. No jokes. Easily better moves by far.

CP3 would likely be the better move, yes, but it does take both parties involved to agree to a deal. And again, it would have to be for the vet minimum.

Dane is out next season, and that happened after the Clarkson signing.

I think the Knicks are going to want the second unit to run run run.

I am aware of all of this. Which is why rushing to sign Clarkson was a bad move IMO.

Clarkson wanted to join the Knicks for the minimum

CP3 may want more, or an extra year, or not the Knicks

These teams are usually aware of what's going on and who is open to joining them

Clarkson and the Knicks had this deal lined up before the buyout happened

The Knicks, if they thought CP3 was a fit, likely reached out to his agent to gauge interest

I don't even like Clarkson, but you can't assume they would have gotten someone better for the minimum if they waited or said no to Clarkson

[Jalen Bluntson]

CP3 would likely be the better move, yes, but it does take both parties involved to agree to a deal. And again, it would have to be for the vet minimum.

Dane is out next season, and that happened after the Clarkson signing.

I think the Knicks are going to want the second unit to run run run.

I am aware of all of this. Which is why rushing to sign Clarkson was a bad move IMO.

Clarkson wanted to join the Knicks for the minimum

CP3 may want more, or an extra year, or not the Knicks

These teams are usually aware of what's going on and who is open to joining them

Clarkson and the Knicks had this deal lined up before the buyout happened

The Knicks, if they thought CP3 was a fit, likely reached out to his agent to gauge interest

I don't even like Clarkson, but you can't assume they would have gotten someone better for the minimum if they waited or said no to Clarkson

Ummm...ok. We could have brought Shamet back. Better player. We could have waited to see is the point. Since we didn't, we will no longer be available to get someone better if they do pop up.

I don't know why that's hard to understand. Especially since we both don't even like the move?

Again. At least he isn't some who would block the younger guys if they earn their shot. Hopefully that's part of the mindset here. He's the weakest link in the rotation by far seeing how he doesn't fill a position of need.

There are still roster moves to make so, that's where my hope is now.

Brunson/Kolek
Deuce/JC/Pac Daddy
Mikal/Hart
OG/Yabu
KAT/Mitch/Huk

That's the current roster balance IMO. Pac has a chance to crack the rotation if JC sucks.

[Moose]

I am aware of all of this. Which is why rushing to sign Clarkson was a bad move IMO.

Clarkson wanted to join the Knicks for the minimum

CP3 may want more, or an extra year, or not the Knicks

These teams are usually aware of what's going on and who is open to joining them

Clarkson and the Knicks had this deal lined up before the buyout happened

The Knicks, if they thought CP3 was a fit, likely reached out to his agent to gauge interest

I don't even like Clarkson, but you can't assume they would have gotten someone better for the minimum if they waited or said no to Clarkson

Ummm...ok. We could have brought Shamet back. Better player. We could have waited to see is the point. Since we didn't, we will no longer be available to get someone better if they do pop up.

I don't know why that's hard to understand. Especially since we both don't even like the move?

Again. At least he isn't some who would block the younger guys if they earn their shot. Hopefully that's part of the mindset here. He's the weakest link in the rotation by far seeing how he doesn't fill a position of need.

There are still roster moves to make so, that's where my hope is now.

Brunson/Kolek
Deuce/JC/Pac Daddy
Mikal/Hart
OG/Yabu
KAT/Mitch/Huk

That's the current roster balance IMO. Pac has a chance to crack the rotation if JC sucks.

You can't hope, or at least always hope, that someone is going to pop up who wants to come to the Knicks on a vet min

The opportunity was there, and they took it

I don't like the player all that much, but I also realize that within the context, we probably weren't going to find someone better for the role he is likely to fill.

I expect McBride or Mitch to be in the starting rotation, most likely McBride, making the Clarkson signing have a bit more sense to it, since he is essentially taking on that scorer off the bench role

Hart will also move to the bench in this case and I think that's a good thing as well

I'm struggling to find who was realistically out there that would be better for the role the team is envisioning him in, even if I don't love the player all that much

Getting McBride into the starting lineup is the best outcome from this signing (if it happens, which it should)

[Luv those Knicks]

Are you done yet? You just keep posting negative crap about this guy. He's here whether you like it or not so why not support our current player and cut it out already.

Eh…no. You’re framing this discussion as positivity vs negativity. I’m framing this discussion as truth vs false positivity.

I’m not going to whitewash anything with Clarkson. He’s been trash for the Jazz and if he plays like that for us, he’s going to be trash too. I don’t need to pretend that he’s been anything but trash. That was just one article I posted...there's lots more from Jazz fans about how bad he was.

If he gives us more, I’ll be happy to admit it. I’ll even admit that he might get better now that he’s in a new environment. But, I feel no need to make up fake shat about his past few years or talk smack about Josh Hart or talk about how it's a one-game thing. He’s been trash for the Jazz and that’s why we’re able to get him for cheap. We need him to be much better than what he showed.

JC shouldn't be playing more than 15mpg max. His scoring will be hot and cold like it has been for years. He's not a PG so the ball shouldn't be in his hands enough to hurt the team. He's not a PG which was A MUCH bigger need than another 6'5 or under guard. Poor defender. Poor shot selection. Not a position of need. There's so much wrong with this signing yet people are in here acting like those who don't like the move are crazy.

He's only on a minimum? Yeah, and we ONLY have minimum deals to fill out the roster. We just wasted one on a scrub. That's actually a big deal. We needed three specific things this summer outside of a new HC. Backup PG. Backup wing with some length. Backup C who could split time with Mitch and play alongside KAT. We had enough for three contracts to get those things. Now we have none. Yabu sorta fills part of two of those things but, Clarkson has no business being the first move we made. We have no need for him. Shamet would be better than him by a lot.

It is what it is at this point. I will root for him to succeed and play his best ball ever. I have serious doubts that anyone will want him here by the time January rolls around. I do have something positive to say though. Maybe a new scene will be good for him. If not, he's not making too much money to be benched for the kids if they can take a leap. Kolek is the only other PG on the team. The backup job is his for the taking as of now. Clarkson is the only thing standing in his way and he isn't even a PG.

I do recall he had some decent moments in LA. Was he there when Mike Brown was there? He was an up and comer at one point.

I'm a big believer in wait and see. I remember being thrilled when NY got Kemba Walker at a bargain price and he stunk. Kemba was younger than Clarkson in 2021 than Clarkson is now. That said, we were asking Kemba to start and lead the team and we're asking Clarkson to be a spark off the bench.

Brunson & Josh Hart are pumped about this signing.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nba/knicks-jalen-brunson-josh-hart-hit-jordan-clarkson-with-bold-label-after-new-deal/ar-AA1HQJoW?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ddf3a0f302b64e20b74f69b355fb6c4e&ei=17

I think, if the new coach works him in the rotation, 20 minutes a game wouldn't surprise me. There's perhaps going to be a minutes crunch with Brunson, Clarkson, McBride & Kolek. I don't think all 4 can play rotation minutes, but we'll see how it goes.

[HopelessKnick]

I think Clarkson will profit from the talent level on this team and be shooting more open shots. He is a guy that with a higher quality of shots could bump his percentages to 45/36ish type numbers. He is a good addition on the veteran minimum.

[Jalen Bluntson]

He's a Knick. I'll root for him. I'll have patience with him. I'll judge him with a clean slate. I'm just saying I don't like the move. Shamet is better suited for the role IMO. Much better shooter and is a pesky defender. Oh well.

Welcome to the Knicks Jordan. Make me proud.

[Polk377]

Clarkson is a guy you can put out there on certain nights that can carry the entire bench scoring without having to overwork your starters. Put him with Deuce, Hart, Yabu and Hakporti as the bench unit. 4 guys who will work hard out there and don't necessarily need touches to have a positive impact. He is the guy you can give the keys to and make that lineup work.

[DE FENSE]

Is it official yet? We had to wait 48 hrs, did he clear waivers?

[DOT]

Is it official yet? We had to wait 48 hrs, did he clear waivers?

Nobody can be signed until noon on the 6th

Technicalities in the rules. But it's incredibly rare for either a team or a player to back out after it's been announced.

[vallen]

the fan base will sour on him two months into the season

Funny how that happens, yet they be screaming "fire the coach" when he didnt play a bum ass like Frank Nikiwhatever. Frankfooters fall back.

If Clarkson sucks the coach has to keep him in the rotation cause thats how modern teams win championships now, by playing everyone who sucks.

Then we should have 12 banners by now.

[tugs]

Rumors of Knicks' interest with Simmons makes this Clarkson addition worth following for the non basketball storyline

Kidding aside, hope this works out for your franchise. JC is a "NO, NO, NO, NO FKC YES!" type of player, could be the fan favorite, or your #1 source of headache.

[HarthorneWingo]

Clarkson can definitely fill it up. I’m just imagining what these will look like when he’s missing them.

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