Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Rollins Back, 3/$12 million

[bucksfansince88]

If we gave up on Ryan Rollins for CP3, after developing the former, that would reek of Jimmy Haslam interference. Provided we re-sign Rollins, I'm happy w/ the pg room of KPJ & Rollins. It's one of the better ones in the NBA, imo. We don't need a 3rd w/ Giannis as a handler.

We need more handling from other positions. Our overall creation & ability to beat pressure is light. And we need a mid-sized body w/ quality. Either pull off Murphy for Kuz/'31/'32 now, or if we have to wait, maybe Caleb Martin? IDK how we acquire some of these guys now, giving up Pat's salary.

This is why I think RJ Barrett might be a good target. He can be another ball handler/creator.

[JimmyTheKid]

Would you have traded a healthy Dame for Turner this offseason?

the real question is: Is Turner better then any player the Bucks could have gotten in a Dame trade?

100% yes imo

Best case we would've gotten worse players and maybe an okay pick or two for healthy Dame.

Agree. And for all of my defending Dame, the human, I am ecstatic we were able to move on from the basketball player, considering the injury. Simply, it didn't work, and it most likely wouldn't work going forward. I have no interest in seeing what the aging, undersized, ball dominant version, who no longer gets the benefit of the swipe through/free throw whistle, coming off an achilles, would look like in a Bucks uni. Unless he's willing to embrace a microwave-scorer-off-the-bench role, which isn't likely, his next team will immediately regret signing him.

[emunney]

I feel like there's no way we're remotely close to done. I refuse to believe we're going to roll into the season 14m under the luxury tax line.

[Bernman]

I feel like there's no way we're remotely close to done. I refuse to believe we're going to roll into the season 14m under the luxury tax line.

They may look at it as a partial offset against Dame's dead $ or that's going to necessitate us reducing our commitments, at least long-term. They'd probably want short-term ones that maybe don't get them over the tax. But we don't have a lot of mechanisms to acquire them anymore.

[JimmyTheKid]

For guys like Bobby and Turner, I wonder if not having to play against Giannis is a selling point. One of the most shocking parts of getting Turner is that he seemed to have more personal animus for Giannis than almost anybody in the league.

Praise our owners. We'll never have anything like them again. They know the Giannis era is special and go all in.

Indy basically gave up one of the cornerstones of a Finals team literally a week later over paying a guy an extra $3 to $5 million a year.

Yeah this is baffling to me. Hate to see Haliburton get hurt but not gonna lie I hate Indy primarily b/c of his attitude and unearned swag. So when I heard we got Turner I was thrilled. Just unreal they were literally one play away from a an NBA title and now 2 of their top 3 best players are out for a full year / traded to a rival. just absolutely brutal if you are an Indy fan.

I'd argue that being one of the best 10-15 players in the world earns you swag.

[PG Graveyard]

I feel like there's no way we're remotely close to done. I refuse to believe we're going to roll into the season 14m under the luxury tax line.

Wow are we really that far below? Does that mean hypothetically we can bring in 14m more on a trade?

If we make more big moves ESPN is going to be so pissed off.

[soxperry]

I feel like there's no way we're remotely close to done. I refuse to believe we're going to roll into the season 14m under the luxury tax line.

Wow are we really that far below? Does that mean hypothetically we can bring in 14m more on a trade?

If we make more big moves ESPN is going to be so pissed off.

It leaves the door open for a kuzma trade taking back more salary plus bogi and rollins

We are obviously working on something or at the very least Rollins would already be back

[Bernman]

The Pat deal was horrendous. Horst can really sweet talk players and agents. When it comes to other GM's, he gets bent over a barrel. He's terrible at buy-low/sell-high principles and not getting leveraged. So almost all our pick capital's out the window now.

And I'd really like to have that Pat contract on the books right now. It wasn't an inherent negative as an expiring and mid salary slot. But it was treated like a hot potato.

[PG Graveyard]

If we gave up on Ryan Rollins for CP3, after developing the former, that would reek of Jimmy Haslam interference. Provided we re-sign Rollins, I'm happy w/ the pg room of KPJ & Rollins. It's one of the better ones in the NBA, imo. We don't need a 3rd w/ Giannis as a handler.

We need more handling from other positions. Our overall creation & ability to beat pressure is light. And we need a mid-sized body w/ quality. Either pull off Murphy for Kuz/'31/'32 now, or if we have to wait, maybe Caleb Martin? IDK how we acquire some of these guys now, giving up Pat's salary.

This is why I think RJ Barrett might be a good target. He can be another ball handler/creator.

What are the underlying issues for Barrett? The numbers look pretty good and he's 24. I feel like he's the perfect target and Toronto has a plethora of weird wings there and probably not enough minutes.

[Bernman]

I feel like there's no way we're remotely close to done. I refuse to believe we're going to roll into the season 14m under the luxury tax line.

Wow are we really that far below? Does that mean hypothetically we can bring in 14m more on a trade?

No, you need cap space or a trade exception to do that, and I read we gave away the 7m one we did have w/ the Turner move (I don't understand why we were forced to do that).

We can take back 25% more salary in a trade. So that's how we might use it, doing the Kuz in reverse trade. Look what we gave up to duck the 2nd apron. At the time, it's not like Kuz wasn't sucking for the Wiz. He should have had negative value.

[El Pooch Grande]

We desperately need another PG and/or wing help. This roster as constructed, even with Turner, is not good enough yet to win it all. Horst better be working the phones.

[Wisky4life]

Most of the guys getting proposed to land or come here are just not it. Its like grabbing scraps off the floor after everyone dumped their plate.

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[BigO]

If we gave up on Ryan Rollins for CP3, after developing the former, that would reek of Jimmy Haslam interference. Provided we re-sign Rollins, I'm happy w/ the pg room of KPJ & Rollins. It's one of the better ones in the NBA, imo. We don't need a 3rd w/ Giannis as a handler.

We need more handling from other positions. Our overall creation & ability to beat pressure is light. And we need a mid-sized body w/ quality. Either pull off Murphy for Kuz/'31/'32 now, or if we have to wait, maybe Caleb Martin? IDK how we acquire some of these guys now, giving up Pat's salary.

This is why I think RJ Barrett might be a good target. He can be another ball handler/creator.

What are the underlying issues for Barrett? The numbers look pretty good and he's 24. I feel like he's the perfect target and Toronto has a plethora of weird wings there and probably not enough minutes.

I don't want an inefficient player like Barrett unless he's a lock down defender, and he isn't.

[Ron Swanson]

Not gonna accept any front office apologism if they're content on being done (outside of signing a vet minimum or two) and rolling into the season with this much maneuverability underneath the tax still. This roster is still horribly unbalanced and needs to empty the clip to bolster the 1-3 perimeter spots if they're really going this all-in.

[SirChurros]

Most of the guys getting proposed to land or come here are just not it. Its like grabbing scraps off the floor after everyone dumped their plate.

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I think the options are rather limited, though, and some of the guys we’re talking about are inherently talented (Wiggins) but just have motivation issues.

Giannis’ work ethic and attitude is infectious. If KPJ can come here and revitalize what was left of his career in like 20 games, I’m confident he could get someone like Wiggins to buy in.

[German Athens]

Kuzma + one of the young guys for Quickley?

[PG Graveyard]

This is why I think RJ Barrett might be a good target. He can be another ball handler/creator.

What are the underlying issues for Barrett? The numbers look pretty good and he's 24. I feel like he's the perfect target and Toronto has a plethora of weird wings there and probably not enough minutes.

I don't want an inefficient player like Barrett unless he's a lock down defender, and he isn't.

He's been more efficient with Toronto. Is he a bad defender?

[EasyE31]

If we gave up on Ryan Rollins for CP3, after developing the former, that would reek of Jimmy Haslam interference. Provided we re-sign Rollins, I'm happy w/ the pg room of KPJ & Rollins. It's one of the better ones in the NBA, imo. We don't need a 3rd w/ Giannis as a handler.

We need more handling from other positions. Our overall creation & ability to beat pressure is light. And we need a mid-sized body w/ quality. Either pull off Murphy for Kuz/'31/'32 now, or if we have to wait, maybe Caleb Martin? IDK how we acquire some of these guys now, giving up Pat's salary.

This is why I think RJ Barrett might be a good target. He can be another ball handler/creator.

Barrett is one of my favorite targets. With the Raptors getting a new front office they might be willing to do a deal too.

Kuzma and 31 1st for Barrett. Throw in AJAX if they want him.

[drew881]

I feel like there's no way we're remotely close to done. I refuse to believe we're going to roll into the season 14m under the luxury tax line.

Wow are we really that far below? Does that mean hypothetically we can bring in 14m more on a trade?

If we make more big moves ESPN is going to be so pissed off.

It leaves the door open for a kuzma trade taking back more salary plus bogi and rollins

We are obviously working on something or at the very least Rollins would already be back

Can we think of players who will be available at the deadline who aren’t as available now? More interested in the roster we have to end the season than to start it.

[Matches Malone]

Speaking of Toronto, saw some Raptors fans talking about trying to offload Quickley with his new contract kicking in. Thought he'd be an interesting piece to investigate but then I looked at his contract and that thing is atrocious.